MCU Tag Team Battles: Wanda, Vision, Strange, Tony & Thor vs Thanos

[Zarex]

The Scenario: The Children of Thanos get lost on their way to earth, giving Earth's Mightiest Heroes an hour of two of additional prep time. Strange and Tony head to Wakanda and Steve and his team extracts Wanda and Vision before any injuries are sustained. Thor gets Stormbreaker early and joins them as well.

The Fight

The Final Five are the only ones left able to battle after the fight with the Outriders and the Children of Thanos.

Strange (with Time Stone)
Wanda
Vision (Uninjured, with Mind Stone)
Tony (With Bleeding Edge Armor)
Thor (With Stormbreaker)

vs.

Thanos (with the Power, Space, Reality and Soul stones)

Who Ya Got?

 

[Docker2.0]

The wild card is an uninjured Vision with the mind stone. But I got Thanos because he has 3 other stones. And I'm not sure Dr. Strange really knows how to really use the time stone because he barely does for some reason.

 

[Zarex]

My thinking was to put the four folks who actually made Thanos break a sweat - Wanda, Thor, Tony & Strange - up against the big guy at the same time along a fully functional Vision. Viz and Strange have stones of their own, and both Wanda and Stormbreaker Thor are at the Infinity Stone power level. And Bleeding Edge Tony is not far behind.

I think Thanos eventually takes this after a long, drawn out battle. But it would be one hell of a fight.

 

[Docker2.0]

I didn't see the Stormbreaker part. I think Stormbreaker is the game changer. I'm not sure how Thanos would stand up against Thor alone with Stormbreaker because he had all 6 stones and still couldn't stop it. But not sure if Thanos was playing along because he's known to toy around with people until he gets tired. I'm not sure him allowing Stormbreaker to get him with all 6 stones was him or Stormbreaker being that powerful. I'd hope it's him playing along because with the gauntlet he should be darn near impossible to beat.

 

[BigThor]

both Wanda and Stormbreaker Thor are at the Infinity Stone power level.

Stormbreaker Thor is above Infinity Stone power level, he was Infinity Stone power level before Stormbreaker (see Thor vs Malekith).

 

[Thör-El]

The Team takes this unless Thanos ups his game and makes far better use of the gauntlet than we've seen so far.

Iron Man and Doctor Strange both put up respectable one on one fights against this exact version of Thanos by keeping him off balance and preventing him from using the gauntlet. And that was Strange without the time stone.

And on top of them, you've added Vision (similar threat to IW Iron Man plus phasing and vibranium durability), Wanda (powerful enough to restrain Thanos/block his attacks) and Thor (the MVP who can tank most of Thanos' attacks, ragdoll him with lightning and near enough one hit killed 6 stone Thanos).

Thanos loses unless he immediately uses the reality stone to neutralise Thor (the main threat and between the bifrost and his ridiculous durability other attacks won't be as effective) and then takes out Doctor Strange before he can reverse it. Any other strategy and he'll be overwhelmed, kept off balance, have his attacks dodged/blocked/tanked and then the fight ends with death by Stormbreaker.

 

[Zarex]

Iron Man and Doctor Strange both put up respectable one on one fights against this exact version of Thanos by keeping him off balance and preventing him from using the gauntlet. And that was Strange without the time stone.

And on top of them, you've added Vision (similar threat to IW Iron Man plus phasing), Wanda (powerful enough to restrain Thanos/block his attacks) and Thor (the MVP who can tank most of Thanos' attacks, ragdoll him with lightning and near enough one hit killed 6 stone Thanos).

Unless Thanos makes far better use of the gauntlet than he did in the films he'll lose. He'd need to immediately use the reality stone to neutralise Thor (the main threat) and prevent Doctor Strange from reversing it. Any other strategy and he'll be overwhelmed, kept off balance, have his attacks dodged/blocked/tanked and then be killed by Stormbreaker.

The Final Five is loaded, no doubt. But my thinking is that (unless Thor gets a tad deeper with Stormbreaker) this fight is going to last quite a while. Wanda and Tony are going to wear down and be taken out at some point in the fight. Let's assume Strange does so as well, but keeps the time stone hidden before bowing out. That leaves a weary, damaged 4 stoned Thanos against Viz and Odinson. I think the Mad Titan eventually takes out the final two, but it could go either way.

 

[Thör-El]

The Final Five is loaded, no doubt. But my thinking is that (unless Thor gets a tad deeper with Stormbreaker) this fight is going to last quite a while. Wanda and Tony are going to wear down and be taken out at some point in the fight. Let's assume Strange does so as well, but keeps the time stone hidden before bowing out. That leaves a weary, damaged 4 stoned Thanos against Viz and Odinson. I think the Mad Titan eventually takes out the final two, but it could go either way.

I just don't see it going that way. Either Thanos neutralises Thor and Strange quickly or he'll lose.

We saw in the Battle on Titan that Thanos with this exact collection of stones was kept off-balance nearly overwhelmed by a way weaker group of Avengers/Guardians (Drax/Star-Lord/Spider-Man/Nebula aren't in the same league as any of the powerhouses you've put in this fight).

We also saw that Strange and Iron Man are both powerful enough to briefly restrain Thanos and had ways of briefly preventing him from using the gauntlet.

Add in the time stone (which lets them reset deaths/defeats), Wanda (another character capable of ragdolling or restraining Thanos/blocking his attacks) and Vision (another character with the strength/durability/versatility to go toe to toe with Thanos for a minute or so) and you've already got a team with a serious chance of overwhelming Thanos and removing the gauntlet.

Add in Stormbreaker Thor and the team definitely has the advantage.

 

[BigThor]

With a decent team to serve as a distraction Stormbreaker Thor would make quick work of Thanos.

If Thor was involved in the battle on Titan Thanos would be dead.

 

[Zarex]

With a decent team to serve as a distraction Stormbreaker Thor would make quick work of Thanos.

If Thor was involved in the battle on Titan Thanos would be dead.

That's assuming, or course, he went for the head.

 

[Batmannerism]

With a decent team to serve as a distraction Stormbreaker Thor would make quick work of Thanos.

If Thor was involved in the battle on Titan Thanos would be dead.

Stormbreaker is the difference here - we saw how effective Thor was against Thanos in the opening of IW......not very. After Thanos curb stomps Hulk, Thor attacks him and Thanos doesn't even flinch but boots him across the room. Stormbreaker is exactly what both Thor and Eitri said about it, a weapon to beat all others and designed to kill Thanos.

If Stormbreaker can sail through a beam from a fully-loaded infinity gauntlet....yeah Thanos doesn't have much of a chance against any battle where he's got to deal with Thor + anyone.

Hell, Thor + Agent Coulson could take out Thanos, providing Coulson kept Thanos busy for 2 seconds.

However, if you take Thor out of that equation, or it's Thor with Mjolnir then it's a much, much closer fight.

With 4 stones Thanos eventually overwhlemed the Guardians + Tony + Spidey + Strange but struggled.

Against Strange (even without the time stone) backed up by Wanda, Vision and Tony he would have a tough time indeed - although Vision was not very effective in IW.

 

[Zarex]

Team Titan acquitted themselves well against the big guy despite their somewhat modest power levels. But they had a proven God Stopper on the squad with Mantis. Could Wanda play a similar role on the Final Five and put Thanos in La La Land? If so they would get my vote.

My thinking is that unless Thor lands a killing blow with Stormbreaker on his first attack, Thanos will come up with an effective counter for the second strike. We may get the answer in Avengers 4.

 

[BigThor]

Stormbreaker is the difference here - we saw how effective Thor was against Thanos in the opening of IW......not very. After Thanos curb stomps Hulk, Thor attacks him and Thanos doesn't even flinch but boots him across the room.

You're also forgetting that Thanos had a freakin Infinity Stone (Power) while Thor had only his bare hands during their unseen battle, not a very fair fight.

Thor was also clearly injured and heavily weakened when he attacked Thanos after Thanos beat Hulk. That had no bearing on what a normal uninjured Thor vs Thanos without an Infinity Stone would look like. Which would be an actual fair fight and much closer than what we got, albeit with Thanos still winning handily.

 

[jolldan]

Stormbreaker went straight through a blast from the Infinity Gauntlet with all the stones. If you take two away its only logical that the gauntlet is less powerful so I would fancy Thor to possibly do this solo.

Vision & Strange should be able to take a stone each and we have seen given enough time Wanda can even destroy stones.

I think Thanos is just out matched here, he never had to contend with all five of these heroes at any point during the movie.

 

[Batmannerism]

You're also forgetting that Thanos had a freakin Infinity Stone (Power) while Thor had only his bare hands during their unseen battle, not a very fair fight.

Thor was also clearly injured and heavily weakened when he attacked Thanos after Thanos beat Hulk. That had no bearing on what a normal uninjured Thor vs Thanos without an Infinity Stone would look like. Which would be an actual fair fight and much closer than what we got, albeit with Thanos still winning handily.

Fair enough, but I suspect it was Thanos who put him in that weakened state in the first place - although we'll never know.

Having seen how easily Thanos wiped out Hulk, I would have to say agree that in a fist fight he would take down Thor (without Stormbreaker) with or without any infinity stones ( I seem to recall an earlier discussion when it was established that Thanos took out Hulk without using the stone).
I think Thor would put up a much better fight than Hulk, being much more skilfull, but Thanos would come out on top.

 

[BigThor]

Fair enough, but I suspect it was Thanos who put him in that weakened state in the first place - although we'll never know.

Having seen how easily Thanos wiped out Hulk, I would have to say agree that in a fist fight he would take down Thor (without Stormbreaker) with or without any infinity stones ( I seem to recall an earlier discussion when it was established that Thanos took out Hulk without using the stone).
I think Thor would put up a much better fight than Hulk, being much more skilfull, but Thanos would come out on top.

Thanos would definitely win with or without the Infinity Stones, I was just saying him having a stone clearly tipped the playing field much farther on his side. Yes it's definitely been confirmed that Thanos didn't use the Power Stone against Hulk indeed although I'm quite sure he used it against Thor since Thor has clear burn marks on his face.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thanos would definitely win with or without the Infinity Stones, I was just saying him having a stone clearly tipped the playing field much farther on his side. Yes it's definitely been confirmed that Thanos did indeed use the Power Stone against Hulkm although I'm quite sure he used it against Thor since Thor has clear burn marks on his face.

It’s actually been confirmed the opposite. Thanos DIDNT use the power stone on Hulk, so if he didn’t need it with Hulk, he didn’t need it with Thor. Loki also had burn marks on his face, I don’t think Thor having them means the power stone was used.

 

[BigThor]

It’s actually been confirmed the opposite. Thanos DIDNT use the power stone on Hulk, so if he didn’t need it with Hulk, he didn’t need it with Thor. Loki also had burn marks on his face, I don’t think Thor having them means the power stone was used.

I definitely meant to say didn't not did, read the post as a whole I was agreeing that was just a typo.

I also didn't ever say Thanks NEEDED it for Thor either, just said more signs point to him using than not. How else did they get burns? Punches?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I definitely meant to say didn't not did, read the post as a whole I was agreeing that was just a typo.

I also didn't ever say Thanks NEEDED it for Thor either, just said more signs point to him using than not. How else did they get burns? Punches?

Ah okay I couldn't get that from reading your whole post but fair enough.

As for the burn marks, there was a lot of fire a destruction about. Burn marks could have easily been off that. Also, how was Loki standing and perfectly fine if Thanos had used the power stone on him? Also, some of the Black Order had projectile weapons. For me the power stone wasn't used, Thanos just physically beat the crap out of Thor like he did with Hulk.

To be fair to Thor though, he couldn't use his lightning on the ship, so it was hand to hand only which I think Thanos wins easily as he beat the Hulk to a pulp in seconds.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Team takes this. Thor is the game-changer, without him Thanos probably wins.

 

[HammerDown]

This team takes out Thanos.

The Titan team in IW was composed by Doctor Strange, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Star Lord, Drax and Mantis. They almost managed to take out Thanos by using a good plan. We also saw Doctor Strange putting a really good show of power against Thanos and so did Iron Man... both 1 x 1's.

This team is way more powerful... Wanda, Thor, Iron Man, Doctor Strange and Vision. Not only do we have Doctor Strange and Iron Man but we also have Thor with Stormbreaker who nearly took out Thanos by himself, Wanda who managed to slow Thanos(with 5 Infinity Stones) significantly... while destroying another infinity stone. And Vision is very powerful too and just because he got caught off guard by Corvus doesn't mean he would always be easy prey.

Doctor Strange, Wanda, Iron Man and Vision distract Thanos with all they got. Thor shows up for the kill.

 

[Zarex]

I started this thread trying to come up with a strategy in which the good guys win. And right now it's looking like all they needed was more time between the arrival of Banner in the Sanctum Sanctorum and that of the Children of Thanos to win the Infinity War.

One question I still have is in regard to Stormbreaker. How did it get so darn powerful? Did Odin dump a crapload of Odin Force into the uru before he died? It appears to be a gazillion times stronger than Mjolnir and I have no idea why.

 

[BigThor]

Ah okay I couldn't get that from reading your whole post but fair enough.

As for the burn marks, there was a lot of fire a destruction about. Burn marks could have easily been off that. Also, how was Loki standing and perfectly fine if Thanos had used the power stone on him? Also, some of the Black Order had projectile weapons. For me the power stone wasn't used, Thanos just physically beat the crap out of Thor like he did with Hulk.

To be fair to Thor though, he couldn't use his lightning on the ship, so it was hand to hand only which I think Thanos wins easily as he beat the Hulk to a pulp in seconds.

You are underselling Thor quite a bit in regards to those burns.

You do know Thor is essentially fire proof right? It took the heat of a neutron star to burn him and even then it took extended exposure to produce visible damage, he survived in Surtur's realm unharmed, took heat from a concentrated flamethrower from Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur (although he blocked the initial blast).

I doubt regular ol' flames from burning debris could leave burns on Thor, who do you think Thor is? Captain America?

 

[HammerDown]

One question I still have is in regard to Stormbreaker. How did it get so darn powerful? Did Odin dump a crapload of Odin Force into the uru before he died? It appears to be a gazillion times stronger than Mjolnir and I have no idea why.

Eitri the dwarf king said the following about Stormbreaker.

A king's weapon. Meant to be the greatest in Asgard. In theory, it could even summon the Bifrost."

It was in Nidavellir that the most powerful asgardians weapons where forged, mjolnir, Gungnir(Odin’s spear)... Eitri basically said it was more powerful than any other weapon in Asgard. Stormbreaker is indeed a formidable weapon but we also have to take a good look at Thor to really understand that powerful combination.

Thor got a serious power boost in Ragnarok. He finally taped into the power whitin and that power made him even more powerful than before. There’s no mention of the “Odin Force” in the MCU. People can theorize that Thor tapped into somekind of “Thor Force” but that can be argued too.

I see the feat that almost took out Thanos as a combination of a extremely powerful King Thor + the most powerful weapon in Asgard’s history. Stormbreaker is nearly indestructible, it was engulfed in Thor’s own power and it was thrown as a massive last ditch effort by a vengeful King Thor.

 

[Iceman]

I wonder what would have happened if Thor had got Stormbreaker somehow before Ragnarok.