MCU X-Men - Part 2

[DrCosmic]

Yes, yes they should. The only reason why they would skip straight away to the 90s TAS/Claremont is because it is the highpoint of the franchise and that's not the way an interconnected universe should approach these stories. Why start Spider-Man out as a 15 year old kid again when we can jump straight into Peter being a 20 year old man? The College years of Spider-Man are irrefutably the most iconic stories. Many of the iconic villains and supporting characters come from that era. Why start with Tony Stark in the cave when we can just jump straight away into him having built hundreds of armors and iron Man already being a worldwide sensation? Why start with individual hero movies building up to the Avengers instead of jumping straight away into the golden era of Avengers right after Iron Man? Why start with Stephen Straneg as a surgeon?

Marvel has an answer to all of these questions and that answer is character growth and character development. They always start their heroes from the BEGINING of their journeys so the audience can become invested in these characters. They always show you who these people were before they became the iconic version. Now why on earth would they skip years and years of arcs and development for the X-Men just to jump straight into having another 30-something year old team like the first 3 movies and DOFP when it goes against their entire filmmaking mantra at this point?? That's not even mentioning all of the continuity errors that are going to ensue when trying to introduce a team with nearly 20 years of experience into the MCU

Pretty much this. I feel like this whole thread is pretty much this point over and over again being ignored and then restated.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

But guys seriously, all of these origin stories have been done to death ad nauseum. Y'all bring up MCU Spidey, okay, even though they decided to make him 15 and in high school, they still decided to keep us in the dark about how he actually got his powers, we still don't know why Aunt May is virtually a single mom: it's just they gave us a guy with Spider powers that Tony Stark kept an eye on. But his introduction worked.

They could do the same thing with the X-Men, have them already established with the core group, young adults with the oldest being 25, and then as they incorporate new mutants (no pun) have them do flashbacks or something.

Keep it simple and streamlined.

 

[Iceman]

The X-team that will be sent out on the first ever X-team mission will need extensive Danger Room experience or they could all get wiped out. I can't imagine them being unleashed against the likes of Ultron or Thanos in their first fight so I don't personally see much of a plot hole, unless Xavier is reckless with the lives of these young kids.

 

[Havok83]

The X-team that will be sent out on the first ever X-team mission will need extensive Danger Room experience or they could all get wiped out. I can't imagine them being unleashed against the likes of Ultron or Thanos in their first fight so I don't personally see much of a plot hole, unless Xavier is reckless with the lives of these young kids.

It depends on how large in scope they go. MCU shouldnt do to them what Fox did by throwing the kids at Apocalypse and his Horsemen on their first go.

 

[Iceman]

It depends on how large in scope they go. MCU shouldnt do to them what Fox did by throwing the kids at Apocalypse and his Horsemen on their first go.

Exactly. Unless they were absolute Danger Room veterans you'd want them testing their mettle against someone like Toad first and seeing how they get on. Test them against a big gun and they could be toast before you get a chance to retreat. And you have a different level of responsibility when sending kids out to battle that you have taken into a school as a supposedly safe place from the outside world.

 

[Marvel united]

Pretty much this. I feel like this whole thread is pretty much this point over and over again being ignored and then restated.

The thought of them starting out as optimistic kids (18-22), wanting to make a difference and show the world that mutants can be a force for good and then ending the trilogy as seasoned, veterans who now understand that humanity will always hate what they doesn't understand but still continue to fight for good - it is an exciting prospect to grow with these characters as opposed to meeting when they're already 29 years old and been through major arcs

 

[MasterCat]

But guys seriously, all of these origin stories have been done to death ad nauseum.

Are you kidding? The only origin we'd be revisiting is the Xavier/Magneto breakup. How many times have movies shown Scott's powers manifesting on a field trip so he runs away from the Nebraska orphanage and Prof. X finds him on the streets? How many times have they covered Storm's youth as a thief and then a tribal storm goddess?

 

[Iceman]

The thought of them starting out as optimistic kids (18-22), wanting to make a difference and show the world that mutants can be a force for good and then ending the trilogy as seasoned, veterans who now understand that humanity will always hate what they doesn't understand but still continue to fight for good - it is an exciting prospect to grow with these characters as opposed to meeting when they're already 29 years old and been through major arcs

That sounds great to me, as long as there is evidence of them having progressed a fair way from when they were originally recruited (via the Danger Room) before they are thrown into a life and death situation for the first time.

 

[MasterCat]

The thought of them starting out as optimistic kids (18-22), wanting to make a difference and show the world that mutants can be a force for good and then ending the trilogy as seasoned, veterans who now understand that humanity will always hate what they doesn't understand but still continue to fight for good - it is an exciting prospect to grow with these characters as opposed to meeting when they're already 29 years old and been through major arcs

What should Xavier's school be called if his first students are college aged? Where does it get enough professors to function as a college? Or is it not a school at all and they just come over to his facility on weekends to train?

 

[Iceman]

What should Xavier's school be called if his first students are college aged? Where does it get enough professors to function as a college? Or is it not a school at all and they just come over to his facility on weekends to train?

Hmmm.

Off the top of my head, the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning has a nice ring to it. t:

 

[Marvel united]

Also Imagine the series having a more fun, playful tone in the first movie and evolving into much more serious films as people like Stryker rise to power and Magneto wages war on humanity. Much like Homecoming is doing

 

[Marvel united]

What should Xavier's school be called if his first students are college aged? Where does it get enough professors to function as a college? Or is it not a school at all and they just come over to his facility on weekends to train?

Maybe it can function as both? And the older members who are College-aged can help the younger students like Bobby, Kitty and Jubilee

 

[Iceman]

Also Imagine the series having a more fun, playful tone in the first movie and evolving into much more serious films as people like Stryker rise to power and Magneto wages war on humanity. Much like Homecoming is doing

It will likely evolve that way as any young actors cast will visibly age (more so than actors who are already of a certain age at the time of casting) over the course of a trilogy or more. So it will feel like a natural progression.

 

[Tg11]

It doesn't necessarily have to be just Tony either, it could be Ross' idea and Tony backs it up (yet again). But I like the idea of people like the Avengers having an irrational fear of mutants and what they are capable of. On a meta level, it'd be interesting to see that conflict between the OG heroes/cast going up against the new faces for the MCU.

Perhaps Ross and Senator Kelly are in on it together or Ross and Senator Kelly know each other. It wouldn't surprise me especially if you want to connect the X-Men to the MCU on a much more grander scale. The Avengers being afraid of mutants then that means the government what was HYDRA or what was SHIELD would be afraid of them too.

 

[Havok83]

The tech exists out there. Any number of villians can get a hold of Stark’s technology and use that to create the sentinels without him being involved

 

[Tg11]

Exactly Trask could have been an admirer of Stark or he could even be a rival of his

 

[Iceman]

The tech exists out there. Any number of villians can get a hold of Stark’s technology and use that to create the sentinels without him being involved

The Iron Legion tech seems quite similar.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't think Tony Stark has to be connected to the Sentinels. Not everything has to thread from him

 

[Iceman]

I don't think Tony Stark has to be connected to the Sentinels. Not everything has to thread from him

Spider-man has even less reason to but they chose that route and the name of the film to make it as obvious as possible to the GA that films going forward are based in the MCU and separate to anything that came before. I don’t think many are calling for it to happen, more discussing with the likelihood that there will be some unnecessary forced crossover early on to establish this. After the first film I don’t think it will be required.

 

[The Infernal]

We don't need to see Stark Tech Sentinels. Keep it just related to Trask. Not everything thing should be related. It starts to look off if everyone knows everyone else in the universe imo.

 

[Protar]

It wasn't an issue that Spider-Man wasn't present for the first Avengers or there weren't any Avengers in Iron Man 3. You're determined to see holes where there aren't. There doesn't need to be a ridiculous plot device like their existence being a result of Infinity War or a crossover from a separate universe. All you need to explain is they have existed for a while but in low numbers until now and aren't widespread public knowledge.

Err..Spiderman was an unpowered child at the time of the first Avenger's movie. He's had his powers for six months during Civil War. As for why there weren't other Avengers in Iron Man 3, it's simple enough to believe that during that given time period the other Avengers were busy with their own things. Cap, Hawkeye and Black Widow working for SHIELD; Thor on Asgard, and Banner not liking to fight unless absolutely necessary. What isn't believable is that a whole other superhero team has been active for a decade or more without any interaction with any of the current MCU heroes.

I have no problem with a select few mutants having existed for a while, living in hiding. It's just when people propose that the entire team be preestablished that I think it ruins suspension of disbelief. Having 99% of mutants be young and freshly activated is the cleanest explanation.

 

[Protar]

The X-team that will be sent out on the first ever X-team mission will need extensive Danger Room experience or they could all get wiped out. I can't imagine them being unleashed against the likes of Ultron or Thanos in their first fight so I don't personally see much of a plot hole, unless Xavier is reckless with the lives of these young kids.

I don't think you should start with Xavier training mutants to be soldiers. He should be training them to control their powers and educating them in maths, science, literature etc. then a bad guy comes along and the students decide to take matters into their own hands and face off against the villain.

 

[MasterCat]

I don't think you should start with Xavier training mutants to be soldiers. He should be training them to control their powers and educating them in maths, science, literature etc. then a bad guy comes along and the students decide to take matters into their own hands and face off against the villain.

Xavier wouldn't realistically teach every high school subject himself. Start the school with old Mr. Lehnsherr as the history teacher, solemnly lecturing about man's inhumanity to man through time.

 

[Silvermoth]

We don't need to see Stark Tech Sentinels. Keep it just related to Trask. Not everything thing should be related. It starts to look off if everyone knows everyone else in the universe imo.

It would be a great way to set up who the xmen are though. The avengers are the establishment and the xmen are often getting kicked around by the establishment.

Obviously we’re not saying stark should build the sentinels but it would be fascinating if they were inspired by him

 

[Jh7058622]

With all due respect not a good idea imo. Infact I want the sentinel program to predate Iron Man but just never got legislation until recently due to events maybe partially to do with the Avengers but more specifically mutants becoming more of a growing threat to American people according to the likes of Trask. That's as connected to the Avengers as I'd go.