MCU X-Men - Part 2

[CaptainWagner]

Does anyone think the mcu xmen might suffer from Star Wars syndrome? That we love it so much but everyone has their own different image of the perfect xmen film and everyone is so locked on it that anything else is considered a disgrace to the franchise?

I have a feeling inevitably the mcu xmen will dissapointed some people even if it was a cell by cell remake of the animated series or classic runs

It'll definitely happen. Just look at Spider-man Homecoming. Holland may well be the best Spidey we've ever had, but he's basically Satan to posters who don't like the direction they took. The big difference is that the Marvel fanbase is well-established beyond these boards; broader and not nearly as toxic as Star Wars, so the inevitable angry minority won't really make much of a splash.

 

[Mangle77]

That'd work, if she's severely weakened for three years (or whatever that translates to in-universe as the MCU stops running in real time). Because if power-draining is very temp, there's a logical problem of why everyone with superpowers doesn't let Rogue kiss them in a Wakandan hospital so she can have all the powers ever to help with the next Thanos.

She also gets memories when she touches someone, and in the event of a permanent absorbtion of powers, the "donor's" whole psyche. Imagine how hard it would be to focus, with all those extra voices in her head.

 

[Detective Conan]

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[Tg11]

Having some time to think about it this is who I would want as my Disney X-Men/Brotherhood

X-Men/Brotherhood

Professor Charles Xavier/Professor X- Ralph Fiennes
Erik Lehnsherr/Magneto- Sean Bean
James "Logan" Howlett/Wolverine- Kit Harington
Ororo Munroe/Storm- Freema Agyeman
Scott Summers/Cyclops- Richard Madden
Jean Grey/Phoenix- Holland Roden
Bobby Drake/Iceman- Dacre Montgomery
Warren Worthington III/Angel- Alex Pettyfer
Hank McCoy/Beast- Toby Kebbell
Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler- Bill Skarsgard
Piotr Rasputin/Colossus- Danila Kozlovsky
Marie D'Acanto/Rogue- Alexandra Daddario
Remy LeBeau/Gambit- Gaspard Ulliel
Jubilee- Ellen Wong

Cable- I would have said Brolin but I would go with Stephen Lang as the MCU Cable

Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat- Hailee Steinfeld
Raven Darkholme/Mystique- Sienna Miller
Victor Creed/Sabretooth- Jai Courtney
Toad- Jamie Bell


As Senator Kelly I would go with Martin Sheen

 

[Protar]

I know the topic has been discussed a lot, but I really don't understand people who look at the X-men franchise, and think that the thing it needs to be revitalised is a cast of thirty-ish years old white men. It's got to be young and diverse imo.

 

[Marvel united]

I agree.

 

[Iceman]

I actually think the fight between Carol and Rouge would be awesome to see. But you don't have to have Carol lose her powers, just have Rouge absorb them and fight Carol

Yeah, true.

 

[MasterCat]

I know the topic has been discussed a lot, but I really don't understand people who look at the X-men franchise, and think that the thing it needs to be revitalised is a cast of thirty-ish years old white men. It's got to be young and diverse imo.

I think it'd be interesting to see the O5 (Storm replacing Angel) as sophomores at Xavier's prep school for Mutants, bring in Logan as "gym teacher" in the sequel, and have #3 adapt Giant-Size X-Men with Angel, Colossus, Nightcrawler & Sunfire as seniors. "What are we going to do with Mutant college students?"

 

[psylockolussus]

I know the topic has been discussed a lot, but I really don't understand people who look at the X-men franchise, and think that the thing it needs to be revitalised is a cast of thirty-ish years old white men. It's got to be young and diverse imo.

The X-Men aren't teen forever in the comics, they've been adults in the comics for decades now. And most of the users here have mentioned female characters and poc characters like Jubilee, Storm, Bishop, Sunfire, Psylocke to be part of the team.... Just because some people don't want to race bend certain haracters they have been eXposed to for decades, it doesn't mean they are against diversity!

 

[MasterCat]

The X-Men aren't teen forever in the comics, they've been adults in the comics for decades now.

But part of the concept is that they get their powers at 13 or a little older.
If you start them as 30-year-olds like FOX did, it logically entails decades of back story (which hey, they recognized with First Class).

 

[psylockolussus]

But part of the concept is that they get their powers at 13 or a little older.
If you start them as 30-year-olds like FOX did, it logically entails decades of back story (which hey, they recognized with First Class).

When people wanted them as eXperienced, it doesn't mean that they should already be in their 30s..... They could be in their mid 20s/late 20s. While Iceman, kitty, Jubilee are the young guns. They just won't be naive students, inexperienced X-Men that we have seen so many times in those Fox movies. Also there are other more interesting stories to tell other then their origin stories.

And so what if they are in their 30s. The actors that Marvel hired for Ant-Man, Captain America, Iron Man, Wasp, Thor, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Vision, Black Widow, Hawkeye and Captain Marvel are past the age of 29 for their first MCU film, or were already in their late 20s.

This isn't the Power Rangers.

 

[Marvel united]

We've seen experienced, seasoned X-Men wayyy more.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yes, in the comics not in the films so much.

 

[Marvel united]

Yes, in the comics not in the films so much.

Uh, huh? We've seen the X-Men as 30-something veterans for 4 movies. In Phoenix they'll be 27-30 year olds again. So that's 5 movies vs 2. Basic math. We've seen that way more times then we've seen them as kids

 

[psylockolussus]

Uh, huh? We've seen the X-Men as 30-something veterans for 4 movies. In Phoenix they'll be 27-30 year olds again. So that's 5 movies vs 2. Basic math. We've seen that way more times then we've seen them as kids

Beast only truly shine as Beast in TLS.
Famke Jean wasn't that eXperienced in combat in X1/X2
Halle Storm had her moments but lacked importance
Kitty and Iceman only joined the action as adults in Dofp
Rogue, well never eXperienced as a X-Woman
Gambit, Psylocke, Havok, Banshee, Emma, Jubilee, Angel and Bishop weren't X-Men
Nightcawler has yet to become a X-Men veteran

So basically just Wolverine and Professor X are the ones that I would truly called eXperienced.

We don't know eXactly what's in store for Dark PhoeniX,based from the leaks, this doesn't sound like the ideal X-Men from the comics. Also they don't look like pass 27 Xcept for Beast.

 

[Havok83]

Uh, huh? We've seen the X-Men as 30-something veterans for 4 movies. In Phoenix they'll be 27-30 year olds again. So that's 5 movies vs 2. Basic math. We've seen that way more times then we've seen them as kids

I think the vets on the team should be mid to late 20s in the MCU with a couple of teens. Like psylockolussus, Im not a fan of how Fox did them wrong. I want that rectified

 

[MasterCat]

I think the vets on the team should be mid to late 20s in the MCU with a couple of teens.

This makes no sense on multiple levels. Where have they been hiding since their powers manifested 10-15 years ago? What kind of school has only a couple of kids?

 

[Havok83]

This makes no sense on multiple levels. Where have they been hiding since their powers manifested 10-15 years ago? What kind of school has only a couple of kids?

I never said the school has a couple of kids. I said the team should have a couple of kids. The school may have dozens of students, but not everyone in there will be an X-man. Just like the 80s X-men in the books. It was mixxed with older vets like Storm, Cyclops, Wolverine and Nightcrawler, yet had teen members in Colossus and Kitty. Heck thats how it is now. What doesnt make sense about that?

And we dont know how the X-Men will be incorporated but the Infinity stones and aftermath of IW/Avengers 4 is an easy simple solution to implement them without much complex explanation

 

[CaptainWagner]

I really don't get the appeal to the O5 as teens, that's the least interesting they've ever been, in my opinion. If we get teens, we should get ones who actually have interesting stories. All the good things about Scott, Jean, Hank, Bobby and Warren happened once they were older.

 

[MasterCat]

I never said the school has a couple of kids. I said the team should have a couple of kids. The school may have dozens of students, but not everyone in there will be an X-man. Just like the 80s X-men in the books. It was mixxed with older vets like Storm, Cyclops, Wolverine and Nightcrawler, yet had teen members in Colossus and Kitty. Heck thats how it is now. What doesnt make sense about that?

What didn't make sense is that it wasn't explained. What's the difference between a 14-year-old freshman at the school who's not an X-Man and 13 1/2 year-old Kitty Pryde who is?

And we dont know how the X-Men will be incorporated but the Infinity stones and aftermath of IW/Avengers 4 is an easy simple solution to implement them without much complex explanation

OK, so what's the simple explanation? The aftermath of Avengers 4 changes the past so the O5 X-Men got their powers before the events of Iron Man, and when we re-watch the movies no Mutants get involved because this is the timeline where they don't exist?

It seems so much easier to say "Recent event is activating the X-gene; only Wolverine, Magneto, Xavier and Mystique were around before this."

 

[Marvel united]

Beast only truly shine as Beast in TLS.
Famke Jean wasn't that eXperienced in combat in X1/X2
Halle Storm had her moments but lacked importance
Kitty and Iceman only joined the action as adults in Dofp
Rogue, well never eXperienced as a X-Woman
Gambit, Psylocke, Havok, Banshee, Emma, Jubilee, Angel and Bishop weren't X-Men
Nightcawler has yet to become a X-Men veteran

They had still all been students at the school since they were teenagers. That's almost 15 years of off-screen character development and character arcs for Scott, Jean and Storm. This isn't about who got to shine, it's about which version of the X-Men has been used the most and the young X-Men only got 2 movies while vet X-Men got 4.

You could make the same exact argument for both of the X-Men movies. First Class wasn't an origin story for the X-Men, it was an origin story for Charles Xavier, Raven and Erik. every character besides those 3 never shined or used to their full potential. This goes on all the way to Apocalypse where the teens weren't even actually. X-Men until the very end.

So basically just Wolverine and Professor X are the ones that I would truly called eXperienced.

There's a difference between combat experience and just experienced. Jean, Storm and Scott had been X-Men for 15 years up to the point of X1 doing missions for Charles. The only reason why they struggled against the Brotherhood was because they had never fought other mutants before up to that point.

We don't know eXactly what's in store for Dark PhoeniX,based from the leaks, this doesn't sound like the ideal X-Men from the comics. Also they don't look like pass 27 Xcept for Beast.

No it doesn't. It sounds terrible but that doesn't mean the MCU X-Men should forfeit telling a complete story of the X-Men in the MCU to jump straight into them in their prime. That's not how the hero's journey works. And Marvel has always started their characters off from the begining so the audience could grow with these characters and become invested in them

 

[Havok83]

What didn't make sense is that it wasn't explained. What's the difference between a 14-year-old freshman at the school who's not an X-Man and 13 1/2 year-old Kitty Pryde who is?

A 14 year and 13.5 year old are functionally the same age. Im not sure what you're getting at.

OK, so what's the simple explanation? The aftermath of Avengers 4 changes the past so the O5 X-Men got their powers before the events of Iron Man, and when we re-watch the movies no Mutants get involved because this is the timeline where they don't exist?

It seems so much easier to say "Recent event is activating the X-gene; only Wolverine, Magneto, Xavier and Mystique were around before this."

You continue to rewatch the old films and know that things will change with the aftermath of IW going forward. Nah, I think its lame to say only 3 mutants existed. X-genes in humans is a rare thing and activation of those genes is even rarer. There are alot of latent mutants out there that dont know they are mutants bc their abilities havent manifested. Maybe the number of actual mutants with active X-genes are in the dozens to low hundreds. IW makes it so that there is a boom in the number of X-genes being activated across the world. It causes mass hyteria as people are scared and dont completely understand.

This prompts Xavier to create the X-men to be a positive image for mutantkind and deal with threats against them. He calls on two former mutants he's helped in the past, Scott and Jean, both of whom have assimilated into normal society to be a part of this team. The film can round out the roster with any number of X-men and the end could be Xavier deciding to go public as a mutant and open up his mansion as a refuge for mutant children, which sets it up as a school in future films.

I dont see how something like that would be all that difficult to do within the current continuity of the MCU.

 

[Protar]

The X-Men aren't teen forever in the comics, they've been adults in the comics for decades now. And most of the users here have mentioned female characters and poc characters like Jubilee, Storm, Bishop, Sunfire, Psylocke to be part of the team.... Just because some people don't want to race bend certain haracters they have been eXposed to for decades, it doesn't mean they are against diversity!

I know that the X-men are not perpetual teens in the comics. But I think it is best to start a new X-men franchise with teenagers who are just manifesting their powers. The MCU plays the long game. Whoever is cast as the new X-men will potentially be on our screens for the next 10-20 years. There is plenty of time in the future to see them as experienced, and that experience will have been earned. The films with adult X-men will be so much better because we will have seen where they came from.

As for diversity, I was specifically addressing fancastings like the one above, with twenty characters listed and two poc. It would honestly be shameful if that was the MCU X-men lineup. The fact that the X-men are supposedly Marvel's most diverse team is undermined by the fact that almost all of the popular characters are white. That needs to change for a modern interpretation, be it by racebending, focusing on minority characters or a mixture.

 

[The Infernal]

Uh, huh? We've seen the X-Men as 30-something veterans for 4 movies. In Phoenix they'll be 27-30 year olds again. So that's 5 movies vs 2. Basic math. We've seen that way more times then we've seen them as kids

The seasoned X-men only really existed for three movies with them sharing DoFP. The current X-men are still fledgling X-men. Last thing I want to go back to is more teeny boppers. They can rpund out the cast with people like Jubilee in a similar role to her 90's toon counterpart, but I'd prefer the rest of the team to also be like their 90's toon counterpart (especially Rogue). MCU X-men should capture the highpoint of the X-men and not refresh to their inception again only to wait years for things to get interesting.

 

[Protar]

The seasoned X-men only really existed for three movies with them sharing DoFP. The current X-men are still fledgling X-men. Last thing I want to go back to is more teeny boppers. They can rpund out the cast with people like Jubilee in a similar role to her 90's toon counterpart, but I'd prefer the rest of the team to also be like their 90's toon counterpart (especially Rogue). MCU X-men should capture the highpoint of the X-men and not refresh to their inception again only to wait years for things to get interesting.

The X-men of the First Class trilogy were/are not teenagers. And nor did we really get to see much of them learning at Xavier's Institute. Instead, the films have either taken place from Xavier's pov, and/or take place during world-ending events, with no time to explore life at the school.

This is very much the same argument that was had when Spiderman was coming into the MCU, as I recall. People were leery of a large focus on high school Spiderman after Andrew Garfield. But as it turns out, an actor in their late twenties posing as a high schooler is very different from casting an actual teenager/young adult in the role and actually developing Peter's classmates beyond Gwen Stacey. Likewise, we've never actually seen a team of 16-21-year-old X-men, focusing on them learning to use their powers at the school.

MCU X-men should start off as Hogwarts with superpowers.