MCU X-Men - Part 2

[Marvel united]

The seasoned X-men only really existed for three movies with them sharing DoFP. The current X-men are still fledgling X-men.

The current X-Men are playing as the 90s TAS ages in Phoenix. Even if they don't look it, they're once again playing a seasoned, experienced team with 10 years of training under their belt.

Last thing I want to go back to is more teeny boppers. They can rpund out the cast with people like Jubilee in a similar role to her 90's toon counterpart, but I'd prefer the rest of the team to also be like their 90's toon counterpart (especially Rogue).

There should definitely be different groups and the main X-Men should be older than people like Jubilee but not by much. They should start out as 17-21 year old kids while Jubilee, Kitty, Colossus etc should be the younger members around 13-15 years old.

MCU X-men should capture the highpoint of the X-men and not refresh to their inception again only to wait years for things to get interesting.

Yes, yes they should. The only reason why they would skip straight away to the 90s TAS/Claremont is because it is the highpoint of the franchise and that's not the way an interconnected universe should approach these stories. Why start Spider-Man out as a 15 year old kid again when we can jump straight into Peter being a 20 year old man? The College years of Spider-Man are irrefutably the most iconic stories. Many of the iconic villains and supporting characters come from that era. Why start with Tony Stark in the cave when we can just jump straight away into him having built hundreds of armors and iron Man already being a worldwide sensation? Why start with individual hero movies building up to the Avengers instead of jumping straight away into the golden era of Avengers right after Iron Man? Why start with Stephen Straneg as a surgeon?

Marvel has an answer to all of these questions and that answer is character growth and character development. They always start their heroes from the BEGINING of their journeys so the audience can become invested in these characters. They always show you who these people were before they became the iconic version. Now why on earth would they skip years and years of arcs and development for the X-Men just to jump straight into having another 30-something year old team like the first 3 movies and DOFP when it goes against their entire filmmaking mantra at this point?? That's not even mentioning all of the continuity errors that are going to ensue when trying to introduce a team with nearly 20 years of experience into the MCU

 

[The Infernal]

The X-men of the First Class trilogy were/are not teenagers. And nor did we really get to see much of them learning at Xavier's Institute. Instead, the films have either taken place from Xavier's pov, and/or take place during world-ending events, with no time to explore life at the school.

This is very much the same argument that was had when Spiderman was coming into the MCU, as I recall. People were leery of a large focus on high school Spiderman after Andrew Garfield. But as it turns out, an actor in their late twenties posing as a high schooler is very different from casting an actual teenager/young adult in the role and actually developing Peter's classmates beyond Gwen Stacey. Likewise, we've never actually seen a team of 16-21-year-old X-men, focusing on them learning to use their powers at the school.

MCU X-men should start off as Hogwarts with superpowers.

Were they? I seemed to recall the exact opposite where people were complaining of yet another sudden jump out of high school. People were glad at the thought of a high school trilogy.

X-Men... Hogwarts? I'd like to see more of the X-mansion setting, but the last thing I want to see the X-men turn into is bloody Harry Potter. lol

The current X-Men are playing as the 90s TAS ages in Phoenix. Even if they don't look it, they're once again playing a seasoned, experienced team with 10 years of training under their belt. There should definitely be different groups and the main X-Men should be older than people like Jubilee but not by much. They should start out as 17-21 year old kids while Jubilee, Kitty, Colossus etc should be the younger members around 13-15 years old.

Yes, yes they should. The only reason why they would skip straight away to the 90s TAS/Claremont is because it is the highpoint of the franchise and that's not the way an interconnected universe should approach these stories. Why start Spider-Man out as a 15 year old kid again when we can jump straight into Peter being a 20 year old man? The College years of Spider-Man are irrefutably the most iconic stories. Many of the iconic villains and supporting characters come from that era. Why start with Tony Stark in the cave when we can just jump straight away into him having built hundreds of armors and iron Man already being a worldwide sensation? Why start with individual hero movies building up to the Avengers instead of jumping straight away into the golden era of Avengers right after Iron Man? Why start with Stephen Straneg as a surgeon?

Marvel has an answer to all of these questions and that answer is character growth and character development. They always start their heroes from the BEGINING of their journeys so the audience can become invested in these characters. They always show you who these people were before they became the iconic version. Now why on earth would they skip years and years of arcs and development for the X-Men just to jump straight into having another 30-something year old team like the first 3 movies and DOFP when it goes against their entire filmmaking mantra at this point?? That's not even mentioning all of the continuity errors that are going to ensue when trying to introduce a team with nearly 20 years of experience into the MCU

1). I don't care about yet another questionable time jump of a decade for franchise's last dying breath. They still resemble the fresh faces they were last film.

2). Ok. Let's start with yet another origin story in cinematic universe littered with them. We would have just seen the conclusion of that same story with the current iteration of the X-men. Makes more sense to start with Xavier's school up and running than to reset back to First Class. That way you can dispense with the fluff people already know and take for granted and start telling stories with the X-men at the mansion.

 

[Protar]

Were they? I seemed to recall the exact opposite where people were complaining of yet another sudden jump out of high school. People were glad at the thought of a high school trilogy.

X-Men... Hogwarts? I'd like to see more of the X-mansion setting, but the last thing I want to see the X-men turn into is bloody Harry Potter. lol

The point is that I would actually like the films to focus on the X-men learning to use their powers, getting to actually see the mansion used as a school. They should not start out as a superhero team, they should start out as students, who decide to use their fledgeling powers for good, against initial the wishes of Xavier and any other teachers.

 

[Protar]

There is a middle ground. Homecoming gave us the youngest Spiderman yet but we didn't see Peter bitten by a radioactive spider and we didn't see Uncle Ben die. Likewise, we can have a film with very young and inexperienced X-men, but we don't have to have another film about Xavier founding the school and recruiting loads of students. You can have the school established for six months to a year, with the film focusing on one newcomer coming into this school of a couple dozen mutant teens.

The issue is with the X-men having been established for years if not decades. Because that contradicts prior MCU continuity and is a retread of the Foxmen.

 

[The Infernal]

That's why I think they could use Jubilee in a similar fashion to the 90's toon. You can have the rest of the team relatively young, but not fledgling members. That way you can start off with a confident Cyclops and a Gambit with a mysterious and unknown past because we haven't explored it yet for example. You get a bit of both with a mixed team like that and you don't have to retreat the more well known X-men's origin that people are familiar with.

 

[Iceman]

That's why I think they could use Jubilee in a similar fashion to the 90's toon. You can have the rest of the team relatively young, but not fledgling members. That way you can start off with a confident Cyclops and a Gambit with a mysterious and unknown past because we haven't explored it yet for example. You get a bit of both with a mixed team like that and you don't have to retreat the more well known X-men's origin that people are familiar with.

Sounds good.

 

[The Infernal]

As far as there being an issue with the X-men and school being established for years. I don't see it. As far as the arguments I've seen it seems a couple of people are determined to say it can't work. I think it works easily and probably even better if mutants have existed for a while now.

Sounds good.

Cheers.

 

[Marvel united]

That's why I think they could use Jubilee in a similar fashion to the 90's toon. You can have the rest of the team relatively young, but not fledgling members. That way you can start off with a confident Cyclops and a Gambit with a mysterious and unknown past because we haven't explored it yet for example. You get a bit of both with a mixed team like that and you don't have to retreat the more well known X-men's origin that people are familiar with.

Who is familiar with it? Only us comic fans know about the origins of Cyclops, Jean, Storm etc. Their orgin have never been explored on the big screen. We never saw Scott's plane crash, Jean's car accident and subsequent coma, a plane crashing into Ororo's home and her parents being killed right in front of her. We have never seen the origin for the well-known X-Men members. I want a young Scott who isn't sure of himself yet. Someone who is trying to lead the team while Xavier constantly puts pressure on him. Maybe even being inspired by Steve Rogers. I want to see him GROW into the confident, strong leader he became in the comics. I want to go on that journey WITH him. Not be introduced to him when he's already in his prime and already when the hardships and struggles of being essentially a kid with this huge weight on his shoulders. We got that older Cyclops in X1 and we're getting it again next year with a 27 year old Scott Summerrs.

 

[Protar]

As far as there being an issue with the X-men and school being established for years. I don't see it. As far as the arguments I've seen it seems a couple of people are determined to say it can't work. I think it works easily and probably even better if mutants have existed for a while now.

How do you explain the X-men existing for several years in the MCU without even being mentioned in any of the other films? There are ways you can try to explain it, but all the suggestions I have seen on here are convoluted and would take up for too much screen time to explain. Why go to all that trouble when you can just have Mutants be a recent phenomenon? Is an experienced team of X-men so important that it's worth compromising the MCU's continuity?

 

[Havok83]

Who is familiar with it? Only us comic fans know about the origins of Cyclops, Jean, Storm etc. Their orgin have never been explored on the big screen. We never saw Scott's plane crash, Jean's car accident and subsequent coma, a plane crashing into Ororo's home and her parents being killed right in front of her. We have never seen the origin for the well-known X-Men members. I want a young Scott who isn't sure of himself yet. Someone who is trying to lead the team while Xavier constantly puts pressure on him. Maybe even being inspired by Steve Rogers. I want to see him GROW into the confident, strong leader he became in the comics. I want to go on that journey WITH him. Not be introduced to him when he's already in his prime and already when the hardships and struggles of being essentially a kid with this huge weight on his shoulders. We got that older Cyclops in X1 and we're getting it again next year with a 27 year old Scott Summerrs.

bc none of that is really important to the X-men as a team. Alot of that stuff is retconned to act as springboards for other stories and developments for the characters. That stuff would be flashback materialanyway and can be spliced in anytime, whether the characters are 27 or 17. They dont need to be teenagers in order to have it in.

When Infernal mentioned origin of the X-men, we got that with the First Class trilogy, which was dragged out across 3 films. We really dont need to start from the very beginning with Xavier again as we see the origins of the school and what will eventually become the X-men

How do you explain the X-men existing for several years in the MCU without even being mentioned in any of the other films? There are ways you can try to explain it, but all the suggestions I have seen on here are convoluted and would take up for too much screen time to explain. Why go to all that trouble when you can just have Mutants be a recent phenomenon? Is an experienced team of X-men so important that it's worth compromising the MCU's continuity?

I put up a proposal in the last page, which makes good sense and doesnt require mental hoops to wrap around

 

[Protar]

I agree with the idea that there could have been a fair few older mutants scattered about history, living in secret in very small numbers. My issue is with the idea of the X-men acting as a superhero team for years, concurrently with the Avengers, without ever being met or mentioned. Having a couple of older members is fine, but on the whole, mutants must be a primarily new phenomenon in order to fit in the MCU.

 

[Havok83]

I agree with the idea that there could have been a fair few older mutants scattered about history, living in secret in very small numbers. My issue is with the idea of the X-men acting as a superhero team for years, concurrently with the Avengers, without ever being met or mentioned. Having a couple of older members is fine, but on the whole, mutants must be a primarily new phenomenon in order to fit in the MCU.

They dont need to have been a team already bc there was no need for one before. In the books Xavier's mission stance is about peaceful coexistence between mutants and humans but a point that gets ignored is that he drafted a bunch of mutant children to act as his small army of soldiers which is problematic. The movies can handle it as his primary focus before being to help mutants control their powers and assimilate into society over the years. They werent really big enough to worry about the whole coexistence thing as the concept of mutants isnt well known or understood yet. However post Av4 with a large number of X-gene activations happening across the world and politicians and media putting a spotlight on mutants and hate rising, he changes his mind and feels the need to be more proactive and visible, which leads to the formation of the team in the MCU. This way you can have adult characters with a history of being mentored by Xavier and it answers the question about another superhero team being around, bc they weren't a team. As adults, they make the decision themselves to get involved in the fighting.

The school can officially be established at the end of the first movie and we can see it populated with students in the next. I think the concept of focusing on teenagers and the teaching aspect should be reserved for a spinoff. New Mutants (Fox) definitely isnt going that direction, so this is an avenue MCU can do with the property. Or they can focus it on Generation X or an amalgam of different classes from throughout the years. Keep X-men larger scale and older and a secondary series for the younger characters

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Well I have a theory about how mutants will be introduced in the MCU. I think Avengers 4 (if the rumor of time traveling is true) will have the team stuck living in a new reality, different earth in order to defeat Thanos making the sacrifice to give up their lives, relationships from the previous reality, era, time. So this new reality/earth has mutants Xavier and Magneto have fallen out and both are forming their own teams. From here ultimate X-Men issue one should be inspiration for this film, Xavier has recruited Scott, Jean, Beast (mo cap), Storm, Colossus, Iceman to round out the team vs the brotherhood
Wolverine as a spy for Magneto and a big battle in Washington DC.

The sequel would be Mr. Sinister, the Marauders ft Gambit and the mutant massacre storyline and eventually Rogue joins the team

 

[Tg11]

Or I wonder how mutants could be introduced especially when SHIELD or what used to be SHIELD had no idea that mutants even existed? You would think for a government organization that SHIELD would know that mutants exist or that heroes of the Marvel universe would also know about mutants too which makes me wonder if HYDRA also knew about them too?

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Cyclops, Storm, Jean and Beast could be in their late 20s.

Keep Rogue, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Colossus and the lot from 20-23 the highest.

Jubilee, Shadowcat, X-23 in their early teens, 16 the highest.

Wolverine of course is ageless, Professor X and Magnus both in their early 50s. That could work.

 

[Tg11]

Or I wonder how mutants could be introduced especially when SHIELD or what used to be SHIELD had no idea that mutants even existed? You would think for a government organization that SHIELD would know that mutants exist or that heroes of the Marvel universe would also know about mutants too which makes me wonder if HYDRA also knew about them too?

No I need to know because if Marvel can work their way around this then I can definitely see X-Men fitting into the MCU

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Maybe with the ramifications of what happened in Infinity War, the mutant gene becomes a thing once everything is rectified.

God it was hard as hell to write that without using spoilers.

 

[Havok83]

Or I wonder how mutants could be introduced especially when SHIELD or what used to be SHIELD had no idea that mutants even existed? You would think for a government organization that SHIELD would know that mutants exist or that heroes of the Marvel universe would also know about mutants too which makes me wonder if HYDRA also knew about them too?

who says they dont know? With 7.6 Billion people on earth, a couple of hundred mutants out there is extremely rare and hardly a significant number. Alot of mutants can pass as baseline humans and those that cant, its easy to assume that they could be aliens, powered up via radiation,experimentation, etc.... It hasnt been directly tackled in the movies, but there are Inhumans all around the world too. The thing that makes mutants unique from every powered being in the MCU is the X-gene and with numbers so low, there hasnt been enough research and work done to categorize them as their own subspecies. I think people are making too much of a big deal about SHIELD, Avengers and/or the World never knowing about mutants previously. CW made references to an increased number of powered beings which can retroactively have included known mutants (which at the time werent classified as mutants)

 

[ImSGirl95]

Totally agree with @Havok83
Therw are more than 7 Billion people on Earth. Even if there are 1.5-2 Million mutants out therez it's no big deal.
And I hope this is the route they're taking.

 

[Marvel united]

Totally agree with @Havok83
Therw are more than 7 Billion people on Earth. Even if there are 1.5-2 Million mutants out therez it's no big deal.
And I hope this is the route they're taking.

Yeah, it is a big deal. Mutants are a minority but they're not some super secret collective organisation like Sorcerers. They are random kids all around the world waking up with strange abilites. Most of them can not control these powers and they end up making a huge scene, most of the time making the news. That is a HUGE deal and it would be noticed. 1-2 million mutants is nowhere near an ignorably amount when you consider the nature of what mutants are. And many real life minority groups are in the sing digits but they are not unnoticed by the world. It's impossible. Mutants even more so

 

[ImSGirl95]

I really do think that people got this wrong idea from the Fox movies. In them they are like what, a billion mutants? And even Trask calculated it that by 2030 nearly 100% of the world population will be mutants, in the viral campaigns for DoFP.
Nothing like that will be in the MCU. It will have a rookie number of mutants population. I don't even seeing it being 1%.

 

[Havok83]

I really do think that people got this wrong idea from the Fox movies. In them they are like what, a billion mutants? And even Trask calculated it that by 2030 nearly 100% of the world population will be mutants, in the viral campaigns for DoFP.
Nothing like that will be in the MCU. It will have a rookie number of mutants population. I don't even seeing it being 1%.

which is why I say the hundreds is a good number to start with. It makes it so that they could have always been around without making a significant splash and gives a good base for things to expand where it becomes a real issue, hence the arrival of the X-men and concept of mutantkind being introduced in the MCU

 

[ImSGirl95]

which is why I say the hundreds is a good number to start with. It makes it so that they could have always been around without making a significant splash and gives a good base for things to expand where it becomes a real issue, hence the arrival of the X-men and concept of mutantkind being introduced in the MCU

Amen, brother!

 

[Marvel united]

which is why I say the hundreds is a good number to start with. It makes it so that they could have always been around without making a significant splash and gives a good base for things to expand where it becomes a real issue, hence the arrival of the X-men and concept of mutantkind being introduced in the MCU

I have the same idea except the X-Men are young like they were when they started & the themes of youth, naivety are intersected with the coming out story of the wider narrative & these young, optimistic mutants wanting to show mankind they can be a force for good. It flows much more naturally to have young members who are new to the scene as opposed to a convoluted backstory explaining why the main X-Men are starting off as 30 year olds. its completely unnecessary

 

[Havok83]

I have the same idea except the X-Men are young like they were when they started & the themes of youth, naivety are intersected with the coming out story of the wider narrative & these young, optimistic mutants wanting to show mankind they can be a force for good. It flows much more naturally to have young members who are new to the scene as opposed to a convoluted backstory explaining why the main X-Men are starting off as 30 year olds. its completely unnecessary

I didnt say they should start off as 30 year olds nor what I propose was convoluted