Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Frodo]

Yup. I'm just saying man, think ahead. That's why most of my X-Men fancasts are on the younger side now, because they'll be playing these characters 4-5 years into the future.

And in a way, it's kinda fitting. The X-Men are the future after all; figuratively and literally.

I have alot of my X Men team castings of actors being 18-25 , i.e., actors old enough to pass for teens.

I picture most of the team members, save Logan and probably Storm, being actual HS students and gifted youths as opposed to adults in their late 20s and early 30s.

I would want them to be of a totally different generation from the OG Avengers and represent a new age of heroes.

I'd want Xavier and Magneto to be in their 40s or in their 50s on the outer end age wise.

 

[Marvel united]

Tell me more. What's going on?

Suffice to say, Marvel Studios hired a diverse group of creatives (mostly from minority backgrounds) to helm the '97 revival, so, naturally, they have strong opinions about social justice issues that... Directly affect them.

But predictably, this didn't go over well with a certain demo of people, who are now accusing Disney of going "w0ke" with the X-Men



I can't post them in here because of language, but the video goes over their social media profiles, and shows just how perfect they are for the X-Men

 

[TheVileOne]

Suffice to say, Marvel Studios hired a diverse group of creatives (mostly from minority backgrounds) to helm the '97 revival, so, naturally, they have strong opinions about social justice issues that... Directly affect them.

But predictably, this didn't go over well with a certain demo of people, who are now accusing Disney of going "w0ke" with the X-Men



I can't post them in here because of language, but the video goes over their social media profiles, and shows just how perfect they are for the X-Men

Did this really need to get posted here? These anti-woke, anti-SJW reactionaries get too much attention as it is. They are bad faith actors. They are also trolls that crave attention.

 

[SumT]

Yeah, this is exactly giving this very small group of idiots even more attention.
Twitter is full of random, crazy, and radical people. Are we going to spread their stupid tweets around the net?
Not me.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm sorry, because I know this is fantasy stuff with powers and "mutants" and all the rest but...

I'll never not sigh the loudest sigh of all time whenever the "fix" to explain Magneto being a player in the story hinges on him being either functionally immortal or "being held in his own Magnetic field for the entire time of end of WWII to the 21st Century" rather than just accept that Magneto's living through a real world genocide that informs his POV and philosophy is the only thing that matters and this feels like and insult to those of Jewish descent or those that feel that Magneto as a character should represent Holocaust survivors and victims given how the Nazi regime impacted actual history.

But tying him personally to that moment in history will freeze him in amber to the point of being useless at a certain point, because like it or not, history moves on even when it seems we are content to play the past's greatest hits in the present. And that's the point, as always, when this comes up...

Despite "never again", it's happened.

Again, and again and again.

I understand the power Magneto gains for a Western/American audience by being connected to the Holocaust of European Jews but that is gonna change at some point or these convolutions will have to be put in place to keep Magneto's original history intact, and that will always stick out like a sore thumb as being JUST for that, convoltions to explain something that should just be updated.

 

[Iceman]

For me a Jewish Erik with parents/grandparents who experienced/were killed in the holocaust while also surviving a different modern genocide himself would be ideal.

 

[Lip]

Suffice to say, Marvel Studios hired a diverse group of creatives (mostly from minority backgrounds) to helm the '97 revival, so, naturally, they have strong opinions about social justice issues that... Directly affect them

I didn't know that. <3

I thought they had the same creators from the original and that was it. But that's great.

But predictably, this didn't go over well with a certain demo of people

It shows Marvel is in the right path <3

 

[fan4stic]

Did this really need to get posted here? These anti-woke, anti-SJW reactionaries get too much attention as it is. They are bad faith actors. They are also trolls that crave attention.

Like, I like to rag on Disney as much as the next guy, but I don't even know if this has any real precedent for them to have a thing about. Or if it's just complaining for the sake of it, like I think a lot of the videos may be, or at least over exaggerative.

I don't trust Disney with plenty. It doesn't mean complaining about every little thing.

 

[fan4stic]

It shows Marvel is in the right path <3

It doesn't. I think it more shows that some people can overreact about anything.

 

[fan4stic]

I'm sorry, because I know this is fantasy stuff with powers and "mutants" and all the rest but...

I'll never not sigh the loudest sigh of all time whenever the "fix" to explain Magneto being a player in the story hinges on him being either functionally immortal or "being held in his own Magnetic field for the entire time of end of WWII to the 21st Century" rather than just accept that Magneto's living through a real world genocide that informs his POV and philosophy is the only thing that matters and this feels like and insult to those of Jewish descent or those that feel that Magneto as a character should represent Holocaust survivors and victims given how the Nazi regime impacted actual history.

But tying him personally to that moment in history will freeze him in amber to the point of being useless at a certain point, because like it or not, history moves on even when it seems we are content to play the past's greatest hits in the present. And that's the point, as always, when this comes up...

Despite "never again", it's happened.

Again, and again and again.

I understand the power Magneto gains for a Western/American audience by being connected to the Holocaust of European Jews but that is gonna change at some point or these convolutions will have to be put in place to keep Magneto's original history intact, and that will always stick out like a sore thumb as being JUST for that, convoltions to explain something that should just be updated.

No. From the late 80's, not WWII. He and Charles can't really have a friendship if it started in WWII time. And he can't be Wanda's dad. Though that last one is closer to my personal preference. Him and that specific situation is what matters more, to me. That's the character.

Maybe that history moves on is the problem. Maybe it shouldn't. But those in history be constantly reminded of these things. Maybe it should always be held as relevant. Maybe that it's not is apart of some of society's issues. To this day there may be deniers and/or attempted replicators of these things. This can still be relevant, whether some like it or not, or don't want to see it. It being in the past doesn't make it have less value to acknowledge.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

For me a Jewish Erik with parents/grandparents who experienced/were killed in the holocaust while also surviving a different modern genocide himself would be ideal.

I thhhink that won't fly either. Itsmaking Batman not the survivor of the murder of his parents but the son of someone who survived the murder of his parents.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

No. From the late 80's, not WWII. He and Charles can't really have a friendship if it started in WWII time. And he can't be Wanda's dad. Though that last one is closer to my personal preference. Him and that specific situation is what matters more, to me. That's the character.

Maybe that history moves on is the problem. Maybe it shouldn't. But those in history be constantly reminded of these things. Maybe it should always be held as relevant. Maybe that it's not is apart of some of society's issues. To this day there may be deniers and/or attempted replicators of these things. This can still be relevant, whether some like it or not, or don't want to see it. It being in the past doesn't make it have less value to acknowledge.

Yes... The amount of time in his magneto cocoon is the issue...

 

[Iceman]

I thhhink that won't fly either. Itsmaking Batman not the survivor of the murder of his parents but the son of someone who survived the murder of his parents.

Oh I said he would also be a survivor of a different more modern genocide too so would have the experience of that directly of how horrendous it can be, while also having a past link to the holocaust through family and being Jewish. There’s obviously no ideal solution but that one at least works for me.

 

[Marvel united]

I have alot of my X Men team castings of actors being 18-25 , i.e., actors old enough to pass for teens.

I picture most of the team members, save Logan and probably Storm, being actual HS students and gifted youths as opposed to adults in their late 20s and early 30s.

I would want them to be of a totally different generation from the OG Avengers and represent a new age of heroes.

I'd want Xavier and Magneto to be in their 40s or in their 50s on the outer end age wise.

Honestly, I'm kinda wanting them to go more Final Fantasy 7 with it, and introduce them as a group of young 20-somethings (i.e. Avalanche).

That way, it's not an origin story, and the team aren't rookies, but they're still young, and still haven't truly come into their own yet; you can still hit some of those pivotal formative beats

Did this really need to get posted here? These anti-woke, anti-SJW reactionaries get too much attention as it is. They are bad faith actors. They are also trolls that crave attention.

Just trying to show the full context.

And it's important for people to see it, because it showcases the type of ignorant mindset that the X-Men are gonna be up against in these coming years, and really, have been fighting against since their inception.

 

[Zarex]

I'm sorry, because I know this is fantasy stuff with powers and "mutants" and all the rest but...

I'll never not sigh the loudest sigh of all time whenever the "fix" to explain Magneto being a player in the story hinges on him being either functionally immortal or "being held in his own Magnetic field for the entire time of end of WWII to the 21st Century" rather than just accept that Magneto's living through a real world genocide that informs his POV and philosophy is the only thing that matters and this feels like and insult to those of Jewish descent or those that feel that Magneto as a character should represent Holocaust survivors and victims given how the Nazi regime impacted actual history.

But tying him personally to that moment in history will freeze him in amber to the point of being useless at a certain point, because like it or not, history moves on even when it seems we are content to play the past's greatest hits in the present. And that's the point, as always, when this comes up...

Despite "never again", it's happened.

Again, and again and again.

I understand the power Magneto gains for a Western/American audience by being connected to the Holocaust of European Jews but that is gonna change at some point or these convolutions will have to be put in place to keep Magneto's original history intact, and that will always stick out like a sore thumb as being JUST for that, convoltions to explain something that should just be updated.

Unpopular opinion coming.........I've long thought Magneto being a Holocaust survivor to be an odd fit alongside his extremist mutant rights agenda. One would think having suffered at the hands of Hitler would motivate him to support Jewish rights. But mutants and Jews are quite different groups, and in both comics and films we've seen Eric put lots of the latter in jeopardy in order to support the former. In the otherwise great X2 we saw Magneto attempt to kill all humans. Meaning this Holocaust survivor nearly killed many more Jews than Hitler.

So keep Magneto's Jewish heritage, but have his motivation be a MCU based mutant massacre rather than the historical Holocaust. I think that is a better fit.

 

[fan4stic]

Unpopular opinion coming.........I've long thought Magneto being a Holocaust survivor to be an odd fit alongside his extremist mutant rights agenda. One would think having suffered at the hands of Hitler would motivate him to support Jewish rights. But mutants and Jews are quite different groups, and in both comics and films we've seen Eric put lots of the latter in jeopardy in order to support the former. In the otherwise great X2 we saw Magneto attempt to kill all humans. Meaning this Holocaust survivor nearly killed many more Jews than Hitler.

I think it's not realistic to expect a morally fallible human who has power, wouldn't abuse that power for the sake of their goals, in the name of their losses, pain and trauma, even against those that may have some similarity to them. I think Magneto sees himself as separate from humans who aren't mutants. I think not seeing the forest before the trees is apart of his character, to me.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Unpopular opinion coming.........I've long thought Magneto being a Holocaust survivor to be an odd fit alongside his extremist mutant rights agenda. One would think having suffered at the hands of Hitler would motivate him to support Jewish rights. But mutants and Jews are quite different groups, and in both comics and films we've seen Eric put lots of the latter in jeopardy in order to support the former. In the otherwise great X2 we saw Magneto attempt to kill all humans. Meaning this Holocaust survivor nearly killed many more Jews than Hitler.

So keep Magneto's Jewish heritage, but have his motivation be a MCU based mutant massacre rather than the historical Holocaust. I think that is a better fit.

I think it is this inherent irony of the character as well as something that should have, could have been put in his face for confrontation but they dropped that ball hard, not to mention the creators in the books and Marvel editorial set the Xavier side at a huge disadvantage by basically showing through the "suffering" porn of Mutant mistreatment and out right mass murder they experience that... Mags is right. They tripped into this with all their varying crossovers and "gasp" drama moments but on paper the Xavier side has so few victories post the Claremont run. There's just further examples of Magneto being shown to be correct.

Plus... The biggest dropped ball was Magneto having a fully human granddaughter (Which is a whole other issue Mutants SHOULD think about but...), his own flesh and blood, which if the world ran according to his POV would suffer the same fate as his family in Nazi Germany. Luna not having powers was something they really could have done something dramatically and thematically rich... But then they gave her powers cuz, comics.

Sigh.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I always thought the Magneto/Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch/Polaris familial connection was one of the better uses of the shared universe concept.

 

[Iceman]

I always thought the Magneto/Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch/Polaris familial connection was one of the better uses of the shared universe concept.

I would ideally have it all if it were possible/beneficial for the overall narrative but there’s a fair chance none of it might be on the cards with the way the various characters have played out in live action so far.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Polaris is a criminally underused and under developed character. Tons of awesome potential.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I prefer decelerated aging/Holocaust origin for Magneto. At the risk of being repetitive, I’d even maybe do a montage of ways Magneto has subtly influenced history over the years.

 

[EnDz0n3]

The "Magneto-being-Scarlet-Witch's-(and-Pietro's)dad" ship has sailed.

 

[Silvermoth]

Boats can sail back. I still think of Magneto as wanda and pietro’s old man

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Let's be honest...

No one gives a shirt about Wanda and Pietro's MCU parents or are invested in Wanda's "trauma" at losing them despite a whole series where this was played to the hilt.

 

[fan4stic]

Let's be honest...

No one gives a **** about Wanda and Pietro's MCU parents or are invested in Wanda's "trauma" at losing them despite a whole series where this was played to the hilt.

I think they didn't play with it that strong. I felt that show just kinda gave me the bare minimum of new information about Wanda: She likes sitcoms. That's it. That's the only new thing I know about her post WandaVision.