Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[BoredGuy]

Idk, watching Watchmen it looked like a strong breeze would've snapped him in half, imo

 

[Detective Conan]

It's always mattered. Jackman was great in spite of his height. Everyone want's good actors filtered by the characteristics of the role. Otherwise when you have a great actor it doesn't matter which role you give them.

Otherwise let's have top actors like Leonardo Dicaprio as Colossus and Meryl Streep as Kitty Pryde.

Maybe even Judi Dench as Cyclops and Patrick Stewart back as Storm this time.

Hugh Jackman was great because it captured the essence of what the character is. Being kind of ugly and his short stature was never a defining feature of Wolverine as much of his grizzled, world weary nature so it didn’t matter that Jackman was cast just like having dark hair wasn’t a core feature of Bond hence why Daniel Craig was cast. I’d rather have an great actor who perfectly embodies the character in spirit who doesn’t look like the character over having an lesser actor who looks like they ripped straight from the source material.

Don’t get me wrong, physical resemblance which matches the source material certainly plays a role in casting cbm’s but I do think in certain cases(not all) this shouldn’t be a factor. Does Jeffrey Wright “look” like Commissoner Gordon from the comics? I would say no, but that doesn’t matter since he’s a great actor who embodies the essence of the character which always the most important.

 

[Iceman]

Hugh Jackman was great because it captured the essence of what the character is. Being kind of ugly and his short stature was never a defining feature of Wolverine as much of his grizzled, world weary nature so it didn’t matter that Jackman was cast just like having dark hair wasn’t a core feature of Bond hence why Daniel Craig was cast.

Don’t get me wrong, physical resemblance that matches the source material certainly plays a role in casting cbm but I do think certain cases(not all) this shouldn’t be a factor. Does Jeffrey Wright “look” like Commissoner Gordon from the comics? I would say no, but that doesn’t matter since he’s a great actor who embodies the essence of the character which always the most important.

So we agree then. I was taking issue with "Since when has “looking the part” always mattered in casting?" I still maintain always, it's pretty much all you need to think about aside from the obviously most important part which is getting a good actor who can nail the essence of a character. If you didn't need to consider these characteristics then DeVito could be doing a similar height swap and playing Colossus if he managed to nail the essence of Piotr's caring nature, Russian background and relationship with his sister, brother, Kitty etc.

Wolverine is the one superhero who is really short out of hundreds who fit the traditional superhero build. I think it's one of the most defining physical features any hero has to the extent that you could pick him out of a thousand silhouettes of different heroes. And it's one thing making a Wolverine 5'9 (which is at least an attempt to cater towards acknowledging this extreme physical characteristic), but making him taller than most of the other male characters is essentially saying it doesn't matter at all. Jackman worked well because he got Wolverine totally, was 100% dedicated to the role and also facially looked like him.

I have no problem with Jeffrey Wright being cast as Commissioner Gordon. But Wolverine's very unusual height is far rarer in superhero circles than being white or having dark hair.

 

[Iceman]

With me it's Daniel Craig or Viggo Mortensen for Magneto and Lance Reddick or Colin Salmon for Xavier.

I could definitely see Craig or Mortensen as Magneto.

 

[Charzhin0]

I could definitely see Craig or Mortensen as Magneto.

Mortsensen is a great shout, saw Greenbook not too long ago and he plays the type well.

Daniel craig is too short imo

 

[Iceman]

Mortsensen is a great shout, saw Greenbook not too long ago and he plays the type well.

Daniel craig is too short imo

Aren't they about the same height? Also similar to McKellen on height. I think having presence is what Magneto needs. Craig at his best could do it I think if he was totally into the role.

 

[psylockolussus]

Since when has “looking the part” always mattered in casting? Did the tall, handsome, Hugh Jackman look the part of the ugly, short, Wolverine?

But I still don’t want Denzel as either Magneto or Xavier. Not because he “doesn’t look part” he just doesn’t seem like a great fit.

Well I didn't cast Wolverine. That was FoX. I already said I don't want a tall and sexy guy for The Wolverine.

 

[Iceman]

It must suck if you’re around Wolverine’s height in real life and he’s your favourite hero and then the big screen version of him is nearly a foot taller and actually tall lol. I know a lot of people here aren’t bothered about changing nationalities either but I can imagine X-fans of those nationalities being disappointed if that happens. It’s a nice added secondary layer of diversity that other teams don’t have to the same degree.

 

[Marvel united]

I'm hesitant to fancast Erik because a lot of factors are gonna go into his casting. Namely the problem of his origin & whether Marvel will update it. I could see Eric Bana & Ermin Bravo being good in the role but I could also see David Oyelowo as well as Navid Negahban. It depends

One thing I know for sure, is that Marvel is gonna be more attentive to their castings than Fox. So you won't just see "Asian" as Jubilee or "White" as Kitty Pryde. They'll go for an actual Chinese & Jewish actresss for those roles. Ditto for Erik if they don't change his origin. And I def want Erik to have an accent this time



Interesting.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think the tough thing about changing Magneto's history is that the Holocaust just places him at such a monumental time in history, that any erasure of it will potentially feel crass. I'm not a history buff though, so I can't truly say one way or the other whether there are events in the world's more immediate history that can compare.

My most recent tattoo artist, however, is Bosnian and mentioned to me how he had to flee the country, something he was only able to do because he had family in the US, back in the 90s due to the civil war and ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims happening there. I'm not sure if that's the way to go to bring Magneto's history current, but it could be a teachable moment for a lot of folks who may not be aware of this moment in time.

I'm not trying to say one global atrocity fits all or anything, but perhaps the best way to make Erik's story timely is to tie it to an event that would put him at a similar age to many viewers and to represent a group of people that don't have the strongest voice in media, while also shining a light on the shifting view of Islam seen since (particularly in a post-9/11 US).

I hope all that makes sense and doesn't offend.

 

[Mad Ones]

Interesting.

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I doubt there's anything to even scoop at this point, especially when it comes to a second movie, but I've had the idea of combining the Savage Land, a prehistoric place in Antarctica maintained by technology, Krakoa, a living mutant island, and Tabula Rasa, an evolutionarily distorted region in Montana.

I'd have "the Savage Land" be an island off the coast of Antarctica that Mister Sinister mutated. A powerful "mutant" in Antarctica comes up on Cerebro, so the X-men investigate and find the tropical island with prehistoric creatures. They become trapped on the island that begins a crash course to a populated continent.

 

[Detective Conan]

Mikey Sutton is trash and most of his “scoops” have been nothing more than lucky guesses at best.

 

[Mad Ones]

Also, people argue against changing Magneto's backstory because one atrocity cannot be replaced by another atrocity, but the X-men regularly replace real struggles (civil rights, gay rights, etc) with a fictional one (mutant rights).

 

[Marvel united]

I think the tough thing about changing Magneto's history is that the Holocaust just places him at such a monumental time in history, that any erasure of it will potentially feel crass. I'm not a history buff though, so I can't truly say one way or the other whether there are events in the world's more immediate history that can compare.

My most recent tattoo artist, however, is Bosnian and mentioned to me how he had to flee the country, something he was only able to do because he had family in the US, back in the 90s due to the civil war and ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims happening there. I'm not sure if that's the way to go to bring Magneto's history current, but it could be a teachable moment for a lot of folks who may not be aware of this moment in time.

I'm not trying to say one global atrocity fits all or anything, but perhaps the best way to make Erik's story timely is to tie it to an event that would put him at a similar age to many viewers and to represent a group of people that don't have the strongest voice in media, while also shining a light on the shifting view of Islam seen since (particularly in a post-9/11 US).

I hope all that makes sense and doesn't offend.

No, I definitely agree with you. And I can see the value in updating Magneto for modern times and bringing awareness to another atrocity that many people might not know about. And it stays true to why Claremont made Erik a Holocaust survivor.

I doubt there's anything to even scoop at this point, especially when it comes to a second movie, but I've had the idea of combining the Savage Land, a prehistoric place in Antarctica maintained by technology, Krakoa, a living mutant island, and Tabula Rasa, an evolutionarily distorted region in Montana.

I'd have "the Savage Land" be an island off the coast of Antarctica that Mister Sinister mutated. A powerful "mutant" in Antarctica comes up on Cerebro, so the X-men investigate and find the tropical island with prehistoric creatures. They become trapped on the island that begins a crash course to a populated continent.

That's very imaginative and I'd love to see this

 

[Iceman]

I doubt there's anything to even scoop at this point, especially when it comes to a second movie, but I've had the idea of combining the Savage Land, a prehistoric place in Antarctica maintained by technology, Krakoa, a living mutant island, and Tabula Rasa, an evolutionarily distorted region in Montana.

I'd have "theinly sounds Savage Land" be an island off the coast of Antarctica that Mister Sinister mutated. A powerful "mutant" in Antarctica comes up on Cerebro, so the X-men investigate and find the tropical island with prehistoric creatures. They become trapped on the island that begins a crash course to a populated continent.

X-Men in the Savage Land is a dream at this point (a very good dream though lol). Your idea certainly sounds interesting though.

 

[Mad Ones]

Savage Land makes thematic sense in an X-men movie. Mutants are about change/evolution and the Savage Land can be used for excellent contrast. I'd want Sinister involved like I said because I also think it would be a good opportunity to explain what Mutants/mutations are.

 

[TheVileOne]

You can't do something like Savage Land right off the bat.

 

[Mad Ones]

You can't do something like Savage Land right off the bat.

I would

 

[TheVileOne]

I would

I don't get why you would though. Seems like an insane leap when you have to establish mutants, their place in the world, and a superhero team of mutants.

 

[Mad Ones]

I don't get why you would though. Seems like an insane leap when you have to establish mutants, their place in the world, and a superhero team of mutants.

General audiences know the gist of mutants and the X-men so all of that establishment stuff could be done quickly. Establishing that "mutants are the next stage in evolution but the world fears what it doesn't understand" doesn't take very long. X-men on the big screen has been stale with a few exceptions for almost a decade. The X-men need a moment like this:

Whenever X-men comics become stale, they reinvent themselves by making the X-men look and feel a little different and strange. What better way to do that in the MCU than by taking them out of a familiar setting and throwing them into something we've never seen before like the Savage Land?

 

[Iceman]

We’re already getting a relaunch of fully new X-Men set in a different thriving universe to get over the Fox film staleness. X-Men in Savage Land is like a dream come true but it might be better suited to a sequel as it’s a lot of risk for a first film where they are trying to set long term foundations for (hopefully) many, many future films.

When (if) they do get around to doing Savage Land, the film could explode. Look how well Jurassic World did with boring human characters who contribute little to the overall appeal in their own right. Imagine what a Savage Land with X-Men as a MCU film could do!!

 

[Mad Ones]

Meh New York is New York and we've seen the X-men in a beautiful mansion in like 12 movies.

 

[Iceman]

Meh New York is New York and we've seen the X-men in a beautiful mansion in like 12 movies.

When they’re not on missions, yeah. Do you want the whole film to take place in the Savage Land? I’d assumed you’d still want a mansion base too.

 

[Mad Ones]

When they’re not on missions, yeah. Do you want the whole film to take place in the Savage Land? I’d assumed you’d still want a mansion base too.

Yup but I want set pieces and settings that scream "things are ALL NEW and ALL DIFFERENT" haha. I'm actually pretty flexible on the mansion too but that's a whole other thing.

 

[Iceman]

Yup but I want set pieces and settings that scream "things are ALL NEW and ALL DIFFERENT" haha. I'm actually pretty flexible on the mansion too but that's a whole other thing.

Oh that makes sense for a totally new X-Men that is set very far apart from the Fox X-Men. I want Xavier's dream to still be important and for there still to be a mansion base, but they don't need to spend that much of the films there. I want to see more time on field missions in exotic new locations (with Xavier back at the mansion), and the X-Men getting to know each other during these journeys/missions. Savage land is probably my favourite possible location and I can't wait to get to that.