Michael Turner....Just because.

[Silverstein]

1. Turner draws okay. It's like anime and western comics had a baby and that baby is Michael Turner's art. I like his supergirl..she's hot...*ahem* for a cartoon....16 year old.
2.Who is this Land and by lightbox art, do you guys mean how like in comics now the characters look like celebs and stuff? As if someone traced scarlette johanson from seventeen magazine or something..

 

[Hush]

He does great covers, i like to look at his splash pages too.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Meh. I can look at his art--not the greatest, but not the worst either.

 

[Aristotle]

He does great covers, i like to look at his splash pages too.

It's a problem when that's all an artist bothers to do well. It means they only have the patience for the badass fun stuff, not for the panel-to-panel work.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It also means they're not really comic book artists, since comic book artists tell stories.

 

[Matthew Allison]

Not can could:

...but he lost it.

Things that are wrong with that drawing:

1) His right arm is too short. His hand would most likely hang at his waist. There should also be some forced perspective there, especially with how his left arm is positioned.

2) The perspective on his left leg is way off. I guess, however, that the artist was trying to avoid drawing the foot. And was Nightwing's knee mangled when that building fell?

3) Shouldn't the front of Nightwing's face and body, as well as the rubble on the ground, be shaded considering that he's standing/leaning in front of a huge, raging inferno?

Yuck.

Also, Michael Turner is horrible.

 

[Matthew Allison]

BTW - here's some Turner for you...

http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=148

And some Alex Toth, Steve Rude, and Alan Davis to make up for it...t:

http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=154

http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=287

http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=47

 

[BrianWilly]

Speaking of Land, has anyone seen this?

http://www.funnybookbabylon.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/500_cov.jpg

Seriously, is he kidding? This is one large joke, isn't it?

 

[fifthfiend]

I'm no artist, so I don't know how that stuff supposedly works, i'm just saying, if it's cheating, then prove it. Lets see you produce the same finished product.

Hey you know I'm pretty sure I'd do a ****ty job of making up fake-ass news stories, that doesn't mean Stephen Glass was a journalist. I'd also probably **** up pretty bad at ripping off stockholders and blowing out my employees' pension funds, that doesn't make Ken Lay a legitimate businesessman.

Of course cheating takes skill, that doesn't mean it's not ****in' cheating.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Hey you know I'm pretty sure I'd do a ****ty job of making up fake-ass news stories, that doesn't mean Stephen Glass was a journalist. I'd also probably **** up pretty bad at ripping off stockholders and blowing out my employees' pension funds, that doesn't make Ken Lay a legitimate businesessman.

Of course cheating takes skill, that doesn't mean it's not ****in' cheating.

t:

That's the real point. Obviously, this guy passed through some art school so he does know how to draw, but chooses to overly rely on a technique for artist. Lightboxing itself isn't bad. When you see the same pose in every other comic it does start to get annoying.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Speaking of Land, has anyone seen this?

http://www.funnybookbabylon.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/500_cov.jpg

Seriously, is he kidding? This is one large joke, isn't it?

Yeah, he's lightboxing Uncanny X-Men after #500. I went ahead and dropped it immediately after hearing that. Sorry Fraction and Brubaker, but Brubaker's run hasn't even been that great so far and I don't think Fraction's really gonna save it enough to make not only Land but also Terry Dodson palatable.

 

[BrianWilly]

That's not even what astounds me here, it's that in that picture, both Storm and Pixie (or whatever she's called) are pulled from pictures that he already drew in Ultimate Power. Both of them were pics of the Scarlet Witch. In fact I think both were pics of the Scarlet Witch in the same issue. And Warpath on the far right is also taken from a pose that he used in Ultimate Power.

He's not even trying to hide it anymore, if he ever did. He frankly just does not care.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Any scans of those Ultimate Power pics? I'd like to see those so I can hate Land more.

 

[BrianWilly]

Here's some scans of a parody of the issue, the dialogue has been changed but the pics are entirely unaltered.

Heeeere's Wanda.
And this is the very next page.
And here's Ultimate Cyclops in the Warpath pose which, now that I look at it some more, is the exact same pose as Wolverine's pose in that link I posted earlier.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Heeeere's Wanda.

What the **** is happening to Captain America's body?

Anyway, yeah, that's pretty shameless. At least lightbox new stuff.

 

[IRON_Lad]

People need to stop hatin on Turner, he's still young and has time to improve. You guys talk about him like he's the next Liefeld. There are plenty of way worse anatomicaly incorrect artist out there that no one seems to ***** about(in fact alot of you seem to praise).

For example

Im not sayin I hate these artists, I just think Turners better.

 

[Matthew Allison]

People need to stop hatin on Turner, he's still young and has time to improve. You guys talk about him like he's the next Liefeld. There are plenty of way worse anatomicaly incorrect artist out there that no one seems to ***** about(in fact alot of you seem to praise).

First of all, there's no reason that someone who needs as much improvement as Turner obviously needs (quite a bit, in my opinion) should be getting the praise and money that he does. The guy's made a nice living off of doing pin-ups. Bad pin-ups at that.

Secondly, there's a difference between stylistic exaggeration and simply being a poor artist. The first pic you posted (Batman in the straight jacket) is clearly influenced by Bisley and has a sense of cartoonishness to it. I don't know that artist, but judging by that one image I can tell he's a more skillful artist than Turner. Kelley Jones isn't my cup of tea, but again, he's making a stylistic choice whereas Turner is just a bad artist. What bugs me most about Turner, and other guys like Benes and Finch, is that each of their characters have the same, exact body type and facial features. That's just laziness.

Those last two pics are indeed horrible.

 

[fifthfiend]

Here's some scans of a parody of the issue, the dialogue has been changed but the pics are entirely unaltered.

Heeeere's Wanda.
And this is the very next page.
And here's Ultimate Cyclops in the Warpath pose which, now that I look at it some more, is the exact same pose as Wolverine's pose in that link I posted earlier.

**** I don't even think he's re-lightboxing, mother****er is straight up just copy-pasting Wanda and slapping a mother****in' Storm costume right onto her.

Oh man where's Anubis, I want him to tell me some more how my inability to draw Storm's costume on a copy-pasted rip of a drawing of Wanda Maximoff that was itself traced off of some ****in' magazine, proves the magnificent artistitude of the Glorious Greg Land.

 

[sethcohen]

People need to stop hatin on Turner, he's still young and has time to improve. You guys talk about him like he's the next Liefeld. There are plenty of way worse anatomicaly incorrect artist out there that no one seems to ***** about(in fact alot of you seem to praise).

For example

Im not sayin I hate these artists, I just think Turners better.

these guys are hacks. turner is the next liefeld in skill only. hes not a huge d*ck like liefeld. turners got a rep for being the nicest guy in the industry.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He should greet elderly people at the local VA instead of drawing comics, then.

 

[Silverstein]

After showing me that....those...pics. I agree. ABOUT LAND. As for Turner, you guys didn't give any examples for how he sucks. This Land you all speak of and this liefield they may be pretty bad, but Turner's art DOES seem like an artistic choice.

As I said earlier, he likes his own style. I mean obviously people think he's good enough to be put in Wizard and teach fans how to draw.


Iron Lad is right....I mean look at Mousse. One of the most brilliant graphic novels ever. You could feel emotion, but art in terms of pure art...not so good.


I'm about to break some hearts...but uhh....Frida Kahlo? Not really a good artist. Art kinda sucks. Tenth grade still lifes look just as good as hers. BUT the message and the thought poured into it coupled with the human interest story that is her jacked up life made people care. It's the message.

I watched anime, I occasionally read manga. I know what hentai is..So I'm familiar with characters that have stylized disproportion. Turner is doing that. It is in fact, a style.

That said...When I look at Turner's Supergirl, I say wow she's hot. Not because the ink and paint figure is hot but translate her into a real person. I see Scarlett Johansson or Jessica Alba.

I imagine Aristotle is going to post in this thread something like "Beauty(art) is in the eyes of the beholder. All of these men are artist, the quality of their work is totally dependant on the reader."

And it's true to a point that we can't simply say an artist is bad or sucks because we dislike their methods. We have to deem good or bad based on the point of the work.

1. Comics are sequential art. Does the artist's work tell a story?
2. Does it keep us entertained?
3. Do we feel any emotion from emotional scenes?
4. Personal Bias aside, can you tell if a character that is supposed to be tough is tough, or if a sultry woman is sulty, etc.?
5. Does the artwork fit the theme of a story?
and lastly...
6. Is the artwork worth the quality of having the backing of whichever studio they work for? For example whoever does Invincible or whatever that comic is called...sucks. They even had a spidey crossover. This is an official comic but it looks like a webcomic. Lame. I don't want to pay money for something I could draw better myself. Seriously, I could read the plot summaries and do the art better..

But as I said at the beginning of the topic, I haven't seen enough of his work to 100% deny yous guys' claims. So maybe there's a dimaond in the rough, proove Turner to be a bad artist, I'm not trying to stop you...you just haven't done it yet.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I've never yet found a way to "prove" matters of taste. Take the absolute worst artist you can think of and I guarantee someone will think they're great and maybe even back it up with a bunch of reasons why. If you like Turner, great. A lot of people obviously do, since his work sells by the truckload.

 

[Silverstein]

I imagine Aristotle is going to post in this thread something like "Beauty(art) is in the eyes of the beholder. All of these men are artist, the quality of their work is totally dependant on the reader."

And it's true to a point that we can't simply say an artist is bad or sucks because we dislike their methods. We have to deem good or bad based on the point of the work.

1. Comics are sequential art. Does the artist's work tell a story?
2. Does it keep us entertained?
3. Do we feel any emotion from emotional scenes?
4. Personal Bias aside, can you tell if a character that is supposed to be tough is tough, or if a sultry woman is sulty, etc.?
5. Does the artwork fit the theme of a story?
and lastly...
6. Is the artwork worth the quality of having the backing of whichever studio they work for? For example whoever does Invincible or whatever that comic is called...sucks. They even had a spidey crossover. This is an official comic but it looks like a webcomic. Lame. I don't want to pay money for something I could draw better myself. Seriously, I could read the plot summaries and do the art better..

But as I said at the beginning of the topic, I haven't seen enough of his work to 100% deny yous guys' claims. So maybe there's a dimaond in the rough, proove Turner to be a bad artist, I'm not trying to stop you...you just haven't done it yet.

You're right that someone may like anything, but I already said that. The point is to proove a point you throw bias and personal thought aside and look at what an artist has done. Those questions help point in the direction of a good artist versus a bad one.

If you lie to yourself and keep a bias to purposely answer negatively then that's where it comes into a battle between fanboys. But if you just look at it in an educational view whatever your answer is will be true.

Sure Turner may not pass the test with flying colors but I don't think you can be realistic and honestly say no to each one.

Turner gets the point across.

So maybe you guys have a valid point but you're just phrasing it wrong. Maybe you're not trying to say these artists are bad artists but their techniques are repetitive.

When I make fun of artist, I compare it to my own work. I'd love to see some of you guys' art...especially whoever was making fun of Dodson above.

 

[Matthew Allison]

When I make fun of artist, I compare it to my own work. I'd love to see some of you guys' art...especially whoever was making fun of Dodson above.

I work in a variety of styles, but let 'er rip...

 

[fifthfiend]

After showing me that....those...pics. I agree. ABOUT LAND. As for Turner, you guys didn't give any examples for how he sucks. This Land you all speak of and this liefield they may be pretty bad, but Turner's art DOES seem like an artistic choice.

I mean maybe it's his "artistic choice" to draw every woman in his comics like a crack-****e with fake ****, that doesn't change that all the women he draws look like crack-****es with fake ****.

Also they all have the exact same face, so I mean that's just sloppy work.