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Homecoming Micheal Keaton IS The Vulture

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Agreed. Everything they've done with this character is a vast improvement on the source material. And with Keaton most likely delivering an epic performance to FINALLY bringing a truly cool and bad ass villain to the MCU rogues gallery? He single handedly is making me excited for this movie.

Yes, his performance as Batman (in 89 at least) was amazing but it's true he doesn't inhabit the necessary physical presence or physicality of the character accurately. Not his fault though.

He does look way more comfortable here as Vulture. And I think him being a Spider-Man villain is hilarious following his story on Kimmel of what he said to a store employee who was watching ASM 2 on tv a couple years ago.

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I do wonder if Vulture's motives will boil down to committing crimes with his newfound power, or if there'll be more to it.
I always loved the story where Toomes was dying and became even more ruthless because he didn't want to be forgotten. It made him both a more pitiable character, and a more frightening one - as he went from being a crook to an outright murderer.

Keaton's Vulture seems to be decidedly murderous from the off. But I do hope there's some nuance to his motives beyond simple greed.
Maybe they could even give him Toomes' social-darwinist rationalizations from the comics.
 
I am the opposite, I kind of hope he mostly is motivated by greed, flavored with vengefulness. He wants money, and he wants to hurt people who "wronged" him. He's a simple man in that way, but charismatic nonetheless. Think along the lines of the more media savvy bank robbers of ages past- at heart greedy thugs, but with enough charm to gain a following.

Or, as I phrased it a while back, have him be the herald of the Blue Collar Supervillain. Guys who are just crooks, not grand megalomaniacs or psychopathic monsters. . . but with enough power that they can decide to just say "no" to the social contract.
 
Same, metap. The MCU has been sorely lacking in that department. And it's super compelling.
 
I am the opposite, I kind of hope he mostly is motivated by greed, flavored with vengefulness. He wants money, and he wants to hurt people who "wronged" him. He's a simple man in that way, but charismatic nonetheless. Think along the lines of the more media savvy bank robbers of ages past- at heart greedy thugs, but with enough charm to gain a following.

Or, as I phrased it a while back, have him be the herald of the Blue Collar Supervillain. Guys who are just crooks, not grand megalomaniacs or psychopathic monsters. . . but with enough power that they can decide to just say "no" to the social contract.
That's a really great way of looking at it.
I am wracking my brain, but I can't quite remember the last time we had a villain whose sole motivation was "steal stuff and make myself stinking rich."
And that's certainly a huge part of Adrian's persona - his gargantuan sense of entitlement.
 
That's definitely one thing the film has going for it. A very human villain can be really well done, especially since it doesn't seem to be going the sympathetic route but rather empathetic route.
 
I getting a very "bottom feeding blue collar thug who stumbled across some advanced tech" vibe from Toomes, which could actually be kind of refreshing after all the megalomaniacs wanting world domination and such.
 
That is what we said we kinda wanted out of this villain. I personally wanted a low level mob war but this is close enough.
 
Keaton will be on Ellen today to promote the film
 
Nice. The more footage of Keaton I see the more I'm liking Vulture. Never thought I'd actually like the Vulture, but I suppose that's what a good casting can do for ya. Here's to hoping he's one of the better MCU villains
 
3rd trailer(s) Keaton is great. Can't wait to see the Vulture in action, may be my favorite part of the film. I love how they're acknowledging everything! "8 years with no interference from Stark, now this bastard in red tights." I freakin' LOVE IT! That's a Spider-Man villain. That's how you adapt the Vulture. Small stakes. Yes.

To an above comment, I wouldn't be surprised to see a gang war be a subplot in a future film if they keep the stakes small, though I don't know how small they'll keep them. Gang wars don't really sell as well as "SPIDER-MAN VS. [INSERT COSTUMED, POWERFUL VILLAIN HERE]."
 
Eh, just have the various sides of the gang war pull out their own supervillains. Either in-house "pet villains", or hired mercs. Each individual one may only be a moderate challenge to Spidey, but you also have the mess of the gang war, and the confusion produced from them all being new.

This would also serve as a better more logical path to Sinister Six than "we all hate Spidey". Its not about vengeance primarily, its six low-ish level superhumans who realize "Hey, why take orders from a bunch of old school gangsters, when we could work together and run this city?"
 
Eh, just have the various sides of the gang war pull out their own supervillains. Either in-house "pet villains", or hired mercs. Each individual one may only be a moderate challenge to Spidey, but you also have the mess of the gang war, and the confusion produced from them all being new.

Not a bad idea, and would be a really good way to work in the dreaded "multiple villains" angle without shoehorning ridiculous team-ups.

This would also serve as a better more logical path to Sinister Six than "we all hate Spidey". Its not about vengeance primarily, its six low-ish level superhumans who realize "Hey, why take orders from a bunch of old school gangsters, when we could work together and run this city?"

Now this I disagree about. I want a straight-up S6 story. :sly:
 
I feel like the only time he should be dealing with world ending events is when he does crossovers with other characters, while in his own movies he's dealing with stuff like Daredevil and Luke Cage do. Then we come to find out about Osborn and his dealings, which may lead into Dark Reign and a bigger scope, if Sony plays nice.
 
Keaton on Ellen's show talking Spider-Man;

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Ellen: "Tom Holland seems amazing"
Michael: "He's an extraordinary kid. I still kick his little butt in the movie though"

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Got to love Keaton. Never thought I would look forward to seeing the Vulture in film this much.
 
The more footage of this movie I see, the more I find myself rooting for Keaton/Vulture rather than Spider-Man
 
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Dang. That's about as good as a modern version of Vulture could have hoped to have been. Add in Keaton as the character and it's such a home run.
 
this might be a bit premature,but...

already started working on my Vulture cosplay....

... still a working progress but, it's coming along
 
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