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Militia Members Occupy US Building in Oregon After Protest

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Ammon Bundy the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy (...sigh) told 'The Oregonian' on Saturday that he and two of his brothers were among a group of dozens of people occupying the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Why not much news coverage? Armed men have taken over a federal building. I really hate to take it there...but, if these were an armed group of the #BLM folks taking over a federal building would it be the same?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/militia-members-occupy-us-building-oregon-protest-36063609

A protest in support of Oregon ranchers facing jail time for arson was followed by an occupation of a building at a national wildlife refuge led by members of a family previously involved in a showdown with the federal government.

Ammon Bundy — the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a standoff with the government over grazing rights — told The Oregonian on Saturday that he and two of his brothers were among a group of dozens of people occupying the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Ammon Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page asking for militia members to come help him. He said "this is not a time to stand down. It's a time to stand up and come to Harney County," where Burns is located. Below the video is this statement: "(asterisk)(asterisk)ALL PATRIOTS ITS TIME TO STAND UP NOT STAND DOWN!!! WE NEED YOUR HELP!!! COME PREPARED."

In an interview with reporters late Saturday night that was posted on Facebook, Bundy said he and others are occupying the building because "the people have been abused long enough."

"I feel we are in a situation where if we do not do something, if we do not take a hard stand, we'll be in a position where we'll be no longer able to do so," he said.

Bundy said the group planned to stay at the refuge indefinitely. "We're planning on staying here for years, absolutely," Ammon Bundy said. "This is not a decision we've made at the last minute."

Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward told people to stay away from the building as authorities work to defuse the situation, the Oregonian reported (http://is.gd/bK7d4E).

"A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area. More information will be provided as it becomes available. Please maintain a peaceful and united front and allow us to work through this situation," Ward said in a statement.

An Idaho militia leader who helped organize the earlier march said he knew nothing about activities after a parade of militia members and local residents in Burns walked past the sheriff's office and the home of Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son Steven.

Ammon Bundy's father, Cliven Bundy, told Oregon Public Broadcasting on Saturday night that he had nothing to do with the takeover of the building.

Bundy said his son felt obligated to intervene on behalf of the Hammonds.

"That's not exactly what I thought should happen, but I didn't know what to do," he said. "You know, if the Hammonds wouldn't stand, if the sheriff didn't stand, then, you know, the people had to do something. And I guess this is what they did decide to do. I wasn't in on that."

His son Ammon told him they are committed to staying in the building, Cliven Bundy told Oregon Public Broadcasting.

"He told me that they were there for the long run. I guess they figured they're going to be there for whatever time it takes—and I don't know what that means," Cliven Bundy said. "I asked him, 'Well how long can ya, how long you going to stand out there?' He just told me it was for long term."

Beth Anne Steele, an FBI spokeswoman in Portland, told The Associated Press the agency was aware of the situation at the national wildlife refuge. She made no further comment.

Some local residents feared the Saturday rally would involve more than speeches, flags and marching. But the only real additions to that list seemed to be songs, flowers and pennies.

As marchers reached the courthouse, they tossed hundreds of pennies at the locked door. Their message: civilians were buying back their government. After the march passed, two girls swooped in to scavenge the pennies.

A few blocks away, Hammond and his wife, Susan, greeted marchers, who planted flower bouquets in the snow. They sang some songs, Hammond said a few words, and the protesters marched back to their cars.

Dwight Hammond has said he and his son plan to peacefully report to prison Jan. 4 as ordered by the judge.

Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.

The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time — the father three months, the son one year. But a judge ruled their terms were too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each.

The decision has generated controversy in a remote part of the state.

In particular, the Hammonds' new sentences touched a nerve with far right groups who repudiate federal authority.

Ammon Bundy and a handful of militiamen from other states arrived last month in Burns, some 60 miles from the Hammond ranch.

In an email to supporters, Ammon Bundy criticized the U.S. government for a failed legal process.
 
Whelp... Stupid is as stupid does I suppose.
 
How in the holy hell **** did this happen? And Muslims are the problem? Minorities are the problem? If they were black and/or Muslim, they would have already been killed.
 
Ah the double standards of the U.S.
 
Humor aside... I wish that such a story could simply be characterized in a humorous way, but, such situations can and have escalated and then when all is said and done no matter the outcome, we get an even more dangerously radical political moment in the aftermath. Seriously, the best that can come from this is a peaceful surrender, anything else in a country that's got a nice slice foaming at the mouth after YEARS of over the top scare mongering and now months of The Donald stirring crap could have the possibility of inciting something really ugly.
 
Doesn't this qualify as treason?

Not sure. I think "treason" is a very narrowly defined term that has to do with aiding the enemy of the nation in a time of war or having to do with taking part of any plan to actually overthrow the elected U.S. Government ect. I'm not sure even this type of action warrants the "T" word... It is F-ed up though. :cwink:
 
Too bad Tamir Rice wasn't an angry white militia guy storming a federal building.

He'd be alive today.
 
It's as bizarre to see this incident not described across the board as terrorism as it is to see white and black Americans erase every other race in their country when discussing sociopolitical topics.

Whites stick up for whites, blacks for blacks, and people wonder why this race relations schism is widening? Jesus identity politics has taken over.
 
Some white people see a clear double standard and point it out.

It's more of a left wing right wing issue.
 
This is another good example of how guns are not a problem in the US.
 
Some white people see a clear double standard and point it out.

It's more of a left wing right wing issue.

Again, no discussion of their terrorist behaviour, just that it's a white thing, and some whites are "deviating" from the perceived norm of being a genocidal land grabber by criticizing these particular, "normal" whites. If it was more of a left vs right thing it wouldn't be so racialized right off the bat. What's everyone referring to here? Their whiteness. Nobody is doing anything to condemn their behaviour, rather they're framing it as though their being white caused them to behave this way. Basic deduction and following that logic leads to the simple notion that in pop identity discourse people are knowingly or unknowingly going to great lengths to conflate whiteness with intrinsic malice or evil.

And then the same individuals (a fair number of them whites as well) that jump on the white devil bandwagon as soon as an incident like this occurs react with surprise and mock indignation when nut jobs like these guys feel like they're being persecuted. How long would it take you to start feeling like your back was against the wall when your society (this is important, not institutions, but society) kept sending you the message that you as an individual are not important, you're just an avatar for the identity categories you represent? And that your identity is inherently tyrannical and evil. I mean the twitter and social media hivemind isn't even going to the lengths of using cute euphemisms like "redneck" or anything, it's just "white people".

The way people are deliberately and aggressively dividing themselves in the USA is actually so cataclysmic if you don't laugh you'll cry. And we wonder why everyone is getting so radicalized about their place in society.
 
So...they want the land that's protected as a wildlife refuge?
 
If these so-called patriots were Muslims or #BlackLivesMatter activists, Fox News would be railing up-and-down calling them terrorists, but they're white, so you have a lot of the same people condemning the above groups now defending these "patriots".

They are not patriots. They're cowardly little boys playing toy soldier in the woods.

Seal off the area, cut off their water and power, and wait them out. Arrest them when they come out, disarmed, one at a time, with their hands up. If they want to stay in there, let them starve and/or freeze. If they open fire, respond with decisive action.

Also, the military veterans among them should have their vet benefits cut off immediately, if it hasn't been done already.
 
If these so-called patriots were Muslims or #BlackLivesMatter activists, Fox News would be railing up-and-down calling them terrorists, but they're white, so you have a lot of the same people condemning the above groups now defending these "patriots".

That goes both ways. If it was the other way around and this was Muslims or Blacks you would have people here talking about these poor victims that were left with little choice all because their up against evil white Christians. "If they were white" "If they were Christian" "Murica". :whatever:
 
If these so-called patriots were Muslims or #BlackLivesMatter activists, Fox News would be railing up-and-down calling them terrorists, but they're white, so you have a lot of the same people condemning the above groups now defending these "patriots".

They are not patriots. They're cowardly little boys playing toy soldier in the woods.

Seal off the area, cut off their water and power, and wait them out. Arrest them when they come out, disarmed, one at a time, with their hands up. If they want to stay in there, let them starve and/or freeze. If they open fire, respond with decisive action.

Also, the military veterans among them should have their vet benefits cut off immediately, if it hasn't been done already.
Exactly.

Also, no one wants this to end violently. The thing is, there is such a big difference in how these situations are handled depending on the skin color and religion of those involved. Why is this caution not taken all the time?
 
The only reason I can think of that they haven't rolled in the military or whoever they had in Ferguson: no one's start burning things or destroying property. Hopefully they've learned from dealing with those protests and will remove the hordes' means of doing so through siege tactics. Like what Schlosser suggested.
 
Doesn't this qualify as treason?

Shouldn't double jeopardy apply here?

They had already been sentenced, served time and released then another judge comes along and says they need more time in jail for the same offense?
Serving time, being released at the end the of the sentence then getting sent back to prison for the same crime should qualify as being punished twice for the same offense.

After a peaceful outcome to the situation the next thing that needs to happen is that judge being removed from the bench.
 
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If these so-called patriots were Muslims or #BlackLivesMatter activists, Fox News would be railing up-and-down calling them terrorists, but they're white, so you have a lot of the same people condemning the above groups now defending these "patriots".

They are not patriots. They're cowardly little boys playing toy soldier in the woods.

Seal off the area, cut off their water and power, and wait them out. Arrest them when they come out, disarmed, one at a time, with their hands up. If they want to stay in there, let them starve and/or freeze. If they open fire, respond with decisive action.

Also, the military veterans among them should have their vet benefits cut off immediately, if it hasn't been done already.

pretty much spot on.


and if it were 15 Black Lives Matter members all going into the same building just to use the bathroom there'd be more coverage/outrage.
 
How in the blue hell is it not terrorism. A bunch of nut jobs fully armed have taken over a privately owned residence that's terrorism 101
 
So they're just letting these guys chill. Of course.
 
If any of these chickens are continuing to receive military veteran benefits or welfare during this, that is BS of the highest degree.
 
How in the blue hell is it not terrorism. A bunch of nut jobs fully armed have taken over a privately owned residence that's terrorism 101

They've taken over unstaffed buildings in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. They haven't hurt anyone (yet). It's not really terrorism (yet).
 

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