Action-Adventure Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning/The Final Reckoning

[DarthSkywalker]

It's fiction. Ultron comes back all the time because it's a comic book so they need him to come back over and over and over again. The problems can never be solved beyond the bounds of the single story because someone in thirty years wants to put a recognizable bad guy on the front cover. This isn't that. It's a movie. They beat the bad guy, the credits roll, and it's over. That's it. No one will ever recreate The Entity because the movie is over.

Ethan's going to upload his conscious and stand guard against the Entity forever.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's fiction. Ultron comes back all the time because it's a comic book so they need him to come back over and over and over again. The problems can never be solved beyond the bounds of the single story because someone in thirty years wants to put a recognizable bad guy on the front cover. This isn't that. It's a movie. They beat the bad guy, the credits roll, and it's over. That's it. No one will ever recreate The Entity because the movie is over.

Case in point, audiences were not compelled or enthusiastic about The Entity. AI boogeyman is already played out.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Case in point, audiences were not compelled or enthusiastic about The Entity. AI boogeyman is already played out.

Dude, you changed the entire discussion.

 

[Snow Queen]

Case in point, audiences were not compelled or enthusiastic about The Entity. AI boogeyman is already played out.

That's... not at all the point. Or the case. That's a whole different discussion.

 

[flickchick85]

Case in point, audiences were not compelled or enthusiastic about The Entity. AI boogeyman is already played out.

If you’re trying to use it getting trampled by Barbenheimer at the box office as proof of this, in spite of the A CinemaScore and 94% audience score on RT from the people who watched it, then there’s no point in arguing, because that’s a pure straw man argument if ever I’ve seen one.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If you’re trying to use it getting trampled by Barbenheimer at the box office as proof of this, in spite of the A CinemaScore and 94% audience score on RT from the people who watched it, then there’s no point in arguing, because that’s a pure straw man argument if ever I’ve seen one.

The film's biggest issue, beyond those two being massive, was the Part 1. Which makes it absolutely hilarious that they ditched it for the sequel.

 

[TheVileOne]

If you’re trying to use it getting trampled by Barbenheimer at the box office as proof of this, in spite of the A CinemaScore and 94% audience score on RT from the people who watched it, then there’s no point in arguing, because that’s a pure straw man argument if ever I’ve seen one.

I stand by my hypothesis. There's always a bigger movie coming out every week.

 

[flickchick85]

I stand by my hypothesis. There's always a bigger movie coming out every week.

Your hypothesis is shaped to your chosen narrative, FYI. Thinking people didn’t go see the movie because of a plot they didn’t even know from trailers is ridiculous, and the people who actually watched it were clearly fine with it. So it’s a “hypothesis” based on no credible evidence whatsoever except that you didn’t like the Entity.

 

[Mysteryman]

I greatly enjoy this series, but Final Reckoning has not earned a three-hour runtime! LOL

I'm hopeful McQuarrie will figure out how to fix the Entity problems, but we shall see.

How does one EARN a three-hour runtime?

 

[TheVileOne]

How does one EARN a three-hour runtime?

Make The Lord of the Rings trilogy, Dune, or Avengers Endgame.

 

[Snow Queen]

Make The Lord of the Rings trilogy, Dune, or Avengers Endgame.

Avengers Endgame ain't even in the same ballpark.

 

[flickchick85]

Make The Lord of the Rings trilogy, Dune, or Avengers Endgame.

This ignores the realm of non-sequel 3-hour films many of which are masterpieces that generally “earn” their runtimes even more than the ones you named, with zero build-up from previous films. Ergo, only the content of the film itself can determine whether its runtime is “earned.”

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The Final Reckoning looks massive in scope with so many characters, so I am not surprised its almost three hours.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I stand by my hypothesis. There's always a bigger movie coming out every week.

This is so obviously not true. How many "big" movies have come out this year so far? How many movies in the history of cinema made more money then Oppenheimer or Barbie?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Make The Lord of the Rings trilogy, Dune, or Avengers Endgame.

There are 7 M:I movies better then Endgame. Also how do you know they didn't make a better movie then any of those? It hasn't come out yet.

Also Dune has less box office success then M:I.

 

[Mysteryman]

The Final Reckoning looks massive in scope with so many characters, so I am not surprised its almost three hours.

I figured the runtime would be in this ballpark. Fallout was about 2 hours and 20 minutes.
DR Part One was 2 hours and 36 minutes.
It’s been going up for Awhile.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I would like to point out that the last 4 M:I flicks have got universal acclaim from critics and audiences and have made rather good money. They've reviewed as well if not better then the LotR, Endgame, and Dune. So I have no idea what the argument even is.

 

[Ninjablade]

I know I jokingly said the 8 minute difference between this and Dead Reckoning would be contained to the prologue, but quite literally that is the case with the 15 minute difference between DR and Fallout.

I generally trust McQ to understand what the runtime of his movie should be. It's not as if any of his previous films meander for no reason to pad the number. Every scene is vital to what he and Cruise want to do.

 

[flickchick85]

I know I jokingly said the 8 minute difference between this and Dead Reckoning would be contained to the prologue, but quite literally that is the case with the 15 minute difference between DR and Fallout.

I generally trust McQ to understand what the runtime of his movie should be. It's not as if any of his previous films meander for no reason to pad the number. Every scene is vital to what he and Cruise want to do.

These movies truly have amazing pacing. I’ve never been bored once.

 

[Snow Queen]

I know I jokingly said the 8 minute difference between this and Dead Reckoning would be contained to the prologue, but quite literally that is the case with the 15 minute difference between DR and Fallout.

I generally trust McQ to understand what the runtime of his movie should be. It's not as if any of his previous films meander for no reason to pad the number. Every scene is vital to what he and Cruise want to do.

Hear me out: the opening credits don't come until 2 hours in when Ethan goes "I need you to trust me one last time" and then it's just clips from the whole series like an awkward recap episode.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hear me out: the opening credits don't come until 2 hours in when Ethan goes "I need you to trust me one last time" and then it's just clips from the whole series like an awkward recap episode.

They ran out of budget!

 

[Ninjablade]

These movies truly have amazing pacing. I’ve never been bored once.

One of McQ's greatest strengths truly is how well he can pace a movie. I mean even Jack Reacher flys by like it's an 80s 90 minute thriller.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why can't M:I be peak cinema like this:

 

[Still Wynning]

This ignores the realm of non-sequel 3-hour films many of which are masterpieces that generally “earn” their runtimes even more than the ones you named, with zero build-up from previous films. Ergo, only the content of the film itself can determine whether its runtime is “earned.”

I’m not sure if I quite agree with you on Dune, a maybe a little on LOTR (particularly with Extended Editions, which I still very much love), but I definitely agree with you on Endgame.

I actually really, really like that film, but it ain’t touching or even in the same league as most of the Mission: Impossible films. That’s just ridiculous. Just going by the behind the scenes stuff, particularly all of the stunts Tom Cruise does for the films all by himself, there’s a level of craft that even the best films made nowadays haven’t even reached. The franchise is practically its own genre.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Darth when people bring up ROTK: