Mistakes The Incredible Hulk should avoid IMO

[ultimatefan]

Going all the opposite way from Ang Lee - I know that there was a lot of complaint about Lee´s version being too boring, too pretentious, too "artsy-fartsy", whatever, but there´s no reason to go all the opposite way and make it a total cheesefest. Movies like Spider-Man 2, X2 and Batman Begins have proven you can find a balance between the Hollywood action blockbuster elements and still do a personal and character-driven movie.

Lack of balance between darkness and light - Again, Bruce/Batman in BB and Wolverine in Singer´s X-Men movies are evidence you can portray a character who has inner demons and is not particularly sociable and still make the audience sympathize with him. That to me was one of the fatal mistakes that prevented Hulk from being the hit it could be. See how Bill Bixby portrays Banner in the pilot for The Incredible Hulk. The anger is there, the angst is there, but the character still has a noble and sympathetic core.

Getting back to the origin - Whatever the complaints may be on Hulk, the origin has been told, if you want to revitalize the franchise, it´s better to not try to retell it, people will not want to yet see again how Bruce becomes The Hulk, you don´t need to refer to everything in the first movie, just tell a new and fresh Hulk story.

Not use the first movie´s innovative editing techniques - That was an amazing concept that ended up being a bit overused and a little distracting from the story, but if done with the right amount of restraint, can make the movie a delight to watch.

Any more Hulk father - The man is dead. Leave him dead.

Not consider at least some of the first movie´s actors for it - I mean, Sam Elliot was a perfect General Ross, the man deserves another take. Having Jen Connelly back wouldn´t be bad either.

 

[Sarg92]

Going all the opposite way from Ang Lee - I know that there was a lot of complaint about Lee´s version being too boring, too pretentious, too "artsy-fartsy", whatever, but there´s no reason to go all the opposite way and make it a total cheesefest. Movies like Spider-Man 2, X2 and Batman Begins have proven you can find a balance between the Hollywood action blockbuster elements and still do a personal and character-driven movie.

Lack of balance between darkness and light - Again, Bruce/Batman in BB and Wolverine in Singer´s X-Men movies are evidence you can portray a character who has inner demons and is not particularly sociable and still make the audience sympathize with him. That to me was one of the fatal mistakes that prevented Hulk from being the hit it could be. See how Bill Bixby portrays Banner in the pilot for The Incredible Hulk. The anger is there, the angst is there, but the character still has a noble and sympathetic core.

Getting back to the origin - Whatever the complaints may be on Hulk, the origin has been told, if you want to revitalize the franchise, it´s better to not try to retell it, people will not want to yet see again how Bruce becomes The Hulk, you don´t need to refer to everything in the first movie, just tell a new and fresh Hulk story.

Not use the first movie´s innovative editing techniques - That was an amazing concept that ended up being a bit overused and a little distracting from the story, but if done with the right amount of restraint, can make the movie a delight to watch.

Any more Hulk father - The man is dead. Leave him dead.

Not consider at least some of the first movie´s actors for it - I mean, Sam Elliot was a perfect General Ross, the man deserves another take. Having Jen Connelly back wouldn´t be bad either.

Well they did say that the film will be similar to the TV Show.

 

[crazy monkey]

I agree with everything you suggested except for the casting and editing. A fresh start both deserves and requires a fresh cast to seperate it from past mistakes. And the comic panels were, in my opinion, badong (bad + wrong; Kung Pow was silly genius.)

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[gambitfire]

Well they did say that the film will be similar to the TV Show.

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Edit- NVM i was thinking SFX.

 

[JackJupiter]

One mistake that will be avoided because of louis Leterrier being a different type of director than Ang Lee is the split screens that caused so many complaints.
A good balance of action scenes and non action scenes, is something that we can expect from L.L. than we got from Ang Lee.
L.L. has proved with Unleashed that he can create nice dramatic and sympathetic scenes without them seeming boring, and very kind and light hearted scenes, which was a problem in Hulk.

 

[JackJupiter]

Anybody want to debate with me on this? Huh?

 

[Sava]

cant be bothered to ...

 

[Bobstarsky]

Ang Lee's explanation for Bruce Banner becoming the Hulk was not very good, sure it may have been more believable, but who cares, Spider-man's reason is a super spider, explained within a fraction of the time of Hulk's explanation... & where was Rick?... & IMO they found out Hulk was Banner too soon... I'd say go back to the Gamma Atomic Bomb... Tho I did like Bill Bixby's character's motives... that really suited it, his wife dies in a car accident, if he cud only lift the car a little bit he wud've been able to save her, he then meets a woman who was in a similair accident, but she managed to actually move the car & save her children, he wonders y he cudn't, so he thinks about tapping the mind & body, pushing it to it's limits, & the Hulk is born... I say, bring Rick in, him & Betty r the only ones that know bruce & know the hulk... Have Major Talbot actually be more of a major than he was in Ang Lee's version, like he is in the comics... Have the Absorbing man not be the Hulk's father & don't make him the main villain...& give the hulk a less human face... I know alot of people had a big problem with Hulk's size, but hey that's how big he's supposed to be, & Banner's past doesn't matter, the only flashbacks they shud have shud b of him & Betty, thats it... Oh & bring Doc Samson into it...

 

[JackJupiter]

Excuse me Java?Donna?Osama? Oh Sava, uh are u chicken to debate with me?
Do u have to say anything in response to this forum? I do?
Don't worry I might be joking wit u. but I have something to say
a mistake that is already said that will be covered is the Hulk's size. They said he would be smaller. Now because they want to be closer to the comic book I'm guessing he'll be his classic height of between 7-8 feet tall.

 

[Bobstarsky]

Ah thats fine, but alot of people complained that Hulk was too big, as in he should've been lou ferrigno's size...

 

[Sava]

Excuse me Java?Donna?Osama? Oh Sava, uh are u chicken to debate with me?
Do u have to say anything in response to this forum? I do?
Don't worry I might be joking wit u. but I have something to say
a mistake that is already said that will be covered is the Hulk's size. They said he would be smaller. Now because they want to be closer to the comic book I'm guessing he'll be his classic height of between 7-8 feet tall.

whats with the question marks?

You really think that guys like me, Jamon and CJ havent talked about anything you just mentioned, we've had these arguements for the past 3 or 4 years for f**k sake. The closer to the comic book thing is bulls**t. Hulk has been drawn so badly in the comics, its not even funny anymore. Marvel's Hulk stats say something like he's 7 or 8 ft tall but he's been drawn WAY bigger than that. Like i said, too many arguements over this and i cant be bothered to start another one.

 

[HULKFish]

Obviously, there is some debate over the scale of HULK...

IMO the first time Eric Bana changed into HULK his size was perfect! His head was way too big but the height and mass was dead on! I think that was the 9 foot HULK. Also, his arms should be a little more massive.

Abomination - The villain in the Incredible HULK should be more intelligent then HULK and stronger then HULK's initial change. HULK has no boundaries to his strength's extent though so I think this battle should rival any action sequence known to man... This fight should scale across city blocks, sewers, subways leveling everything! Abomination should win the initial onset of the fight until HULK's anger level (along with some serious destruction) reach an adrenaline level (perhaps Abomination makes HULK bleed and HULK rubs his knuckle on the side of his lip like an old Kung-Fu movie) triggering an earth-shaking onslaught! Possibly ending with HULK lifting a building and dropping it on Abomination...

Also, I think everyone would love to see some kind of water sequence where HULK has to use his whale-capacity lungs to dive into the depths.

 

[Bobstarsky]

Who's played Incredible Hulk Ultimate destruction?.. Abomination was great! he kept growing & becoming stronger, but the Hulk won bcos of his greater Anger greater strength & agility factor... I don't think the hulk should be too big, just big enough to believe he can use the muscles in his legs to jump great distances, & definitly a smaller head...

Oh 1 thing I left out about what I disliked about Ang Lee's Hulk, was that they took away a big part of bruce which made his character not as interesting as he should be... & that was having his dad be the reason for him being the Hulk... The great thing about Bruce, was that the Hulk was his fault, & it made his character more deep, as he's trying to fix everything he's done, he doesn't blame rick, he blames himself, Ang Lee took that away from him, & it made Banner a very bland character, it made him a victim of his father, when the Hulk should be his own creation & burden...

 

[JackJupiter]

Whoa! JAVA! JAVA! what's with the swearing here? I just want to say that they could possibly stick to the original size of the Hulk, u know the one that Jack "King" Kirby drew. They say he's going to be smaller, that's a fact! Not a rumor. It would only makes sense to make him 11 feet or his classic size of 7-8 feet. Oh and who in Rosie O' Donnell's Jock Strap are Jamon and CJ.
By the way what's with these ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Punk@**

 

[Sava]

Whoa! JAVA! JAVA! what's with the swearing here? I just want to say that they could possibly stick to the original size of the Hulk, u know the one that Jack "King" Kirby drew. They say he's going to be smaller, that's a fact! Not a rumor. It would only makes sense to make him 11 feet or his classic size of 7-8 feet. Oh and who in Rosie O' Donnell's Jock Strap are Jamon and CJ.
By the way what's with these ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Punk@**

The names Sava.

Jamon and CJ are posters who have been here for a long time and argue alot over the movie. You'd know that if you actually stopped and read some of the threads in here. Marvel can say anything they want but untill its on the big screen, its still a rumor. Hulk should be smaller, he was perfect IMO in the first Hulk-out. I wasnt swearing at you BTW. This will be the last time i post in this thread, so, enjoy your stay here and read up on the other threads.

 

[Morgoth]

Going away from Lee doesn't mean it'll be cheesy. People freak out too soon thinking that it'll be done wrong, it will be fixed from Ang's crap, but, it is a comic, that doesn't mean cheese anymore. It's not the 60's anymore!

It should be better than what's happened.

 

[ENERjosh]

ang lee did the job right. it wasn't just a solbber knocker. it was an actually movie. cg used correctly ,the story really enhanced the visuals.
the new one will be a guy in a suit??????????????????????....they should get the team that did blanka in the street fighter movie. cause its going to be the same thing.

 

[Heretic]

A guy in a suit? oof...thats gonna be bad

 

[Bobstarsky]

A mix of CGI & Prosthetics, Mainly CGI but prosthetics wen needed, I have no idea how that will work... but I'm guessing that the hulk will not be a guy in a suit, it works for the thing in FF but not the hulk as the hulk is not only strong but he's extremely agile & can be fast, & a really big, muscly but extremely fast & agile guy doesn't exist...

I disagree that Ang Lee got the Hulk right... He got it wrong... They found out Hulk was Banner too soon, Banner was in shape instead of a skinny bookworm, It was all his dad's doings that he became the hulk instead of his own, the Absorbing man was his dad, Major Talbott was more on his own than workin with/for General Ross & Rick Jones was nowhere to be seen... I love Hulk & his character because Banner isolates himself from everyone, & everything is his fault, he blames no one but himself & all he's trying to do is find a way to seperate himself from the hulk & become a normal human being again... But it's his enemies that don't give him the time or space to do that, they want him dead or experimented on but all they do is put Banner in a never ending circle of trying & failing & then having more problems arise... Only If the hulk was an original character, never heard of until Ang Lee's film, the film wud've been great... It was like the street fighter movie, if it wasn't street fighter, it might have been ok...

 

[Doug Henning]

Going all the opposite way from Ang Lee - I know that there was a lot of complaint about Lee´s version being too boring, too pretentious, too "artsy-fartsy", whatever, but there´s no reason to go all the opposite way and make it a total cheesefest.

That's exactly right.
It can be really exciting and still have those beautiful close-up nature shots, of fungus and cacti and lizards and stuff...and flowers.
REALLY close up too.
Just gorgeous.

 

[Caliber]

Well they did say that the film will be similar to the TV Show.

The movie should like the comic not the show. Do people know theres alot of great Hulk comics? Seems like they don't know a damn thing besides the stupid show.

 

[crazy monkey]

I disagree that Ang Lee got the Hulk right... He got it wrong... They found out Hulk was Banner too soon, Banner was in shape instead of a skinny bookworm, It was all his dad's doings that he became the hulk instead of his own, the Absorbing man was his dad, Major Talbott was more on his own than workin with/for General Ross & Rick Jones was nowhere to be seen... I love Hulk & his character because Banner isolates himself from everyone, & everything is his fault, he blames no one but himself & all he's trying to do is find a way to seperate himself from the hulk & become a normal human being again... But it's his enemies that don't give him the time or space to do that, they want him dead or experimented on but all they do is put Banner in a never ending circle of trying & failing & then having more problems arise... Only If the hulk was an original character, never heard of until Ang Lee's film, the film wud've been great... It was like the street fighter movie, if it wasn't street fighter, it might have been ok...

You had me nodding in agreement, all ready with a "Amen!" until the last two sentences. I really hated the Hulk, not just as an adaptation but as a film, but hey -- that's just me. I can see how others may not share that view. But Street Fighter? Dude...no redeeming value. I'm sorry. Although it could have been at least true to itself were it titled "Bad Movie: The Movie."

the new one will be a guy in a suit??????????????????????....they should get the team that did blanka in the street fighter movie. cause its going to be the same thing.

Yeesh. Two seperate references to this debacle in the same thread? Am I doomed to be haunted by it forever?

My friend, sit yourself down and spend some time well spent in front of the LOTR trilogy and Pan's Labyrinth. Then tell me that prosthetics haven't traveled light-years since the green-painted Klingon labeled Blanka.

That's exactly right.
It can be really exciting and still have those beautiful close-up nature shots, of fungus and cacti and lizards and stuff...and flowers.
REALLY close up too.
Just gorgeous.

t:
Can we see the Hulk chase an antelope in slow-motion to the National Geographic theme music, too?
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[afan]

8 to 9 ft tall.

The Hulk is not a track and field athlete. Slow him down!!!!! He should be no faster than a normal man. He covers distances quickly by leaping not super-speeding.

The Hulk must talk! and not just "Hulk Smash". Allow him to communicate. However when in a Hulk berserk rage level he only growls / roars bestially.

Make the transition an eplosive event, Banner reaches a boiling point, at which time the transformation occurs violently fast.

 

[HULKFish]

8 to 9 ft tall.

The Hulk is not a track and field athlete. Slow him down!!!!! He should be no faster than a normal man. He covers distances quickly by leaping not super-speeding.

The Hulk must talk! and not just "Hulk Smash". Allow him to communicate. However when in a Hulk berserk rage level he only growls / roars bestially.

Make the transition an eplosive event, Banner reaches a boiling point, at which time the transformation occurs violently fast.

Great summation except for the speed... If you could lift a building how fast do you think those powerful legs would carry you??? Try watching the NFL combine. Explosion (vertical leap) = speed and/or quickness. I thought the feet moved a little too fast but the rate of speed would be pretty astronomical...

 

[afan]

Super-speed and agility (Flash, Spidey) belong to other heroes, it's what they do. The Hulk is all about raw power. That's not to say he can't cover ground quickly. A leaping stride type movement(each footfall creating a small seismic event) will get him where he wants to go very fast, but a sprinting 100 yard dash type movement just doesn't translate the raw power to me.

Another suggestion would be to have transitions triggered by events that the audience can relate to while enforcing Banner's curse of The Hulk. Ang Lee's film never did that. The first transition on the TV series being the prime example, changing a flat tire in the pouring rain. Have a chain of everyday annoying events occur culminating in a last straw event perhaps traffic related that triggers a transformation.