My local Jiu Jitsu community stunned Lloyd Irvin by rape case!

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  1. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    I've being doing bjj for 7 years now, and these two guys and the victim are well known by a lot in the DMV Bjj community, and we are stunned and disgusted by these accusation.

    They belong to a rival school, but we all know each other from competition:

    http://www.mmamania.com/2013/1/9/3858336/video-lloyd-irvin-brazilian-jiu-jitsu-students-rape-matthew-maldonado-nicholas-schultz-arrested

    Follow up:

    http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/matthew-maldonado-nicholas-schultz-appear-in-court--83929.html
     
  2. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    mod: please edit title by putting the word 'by' in front of Lloyd.
     
  3. Anita18 DANCE FOR ME, FUNNY MAN!

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    They got it with surveillance. Good. That means the guys won't get away with it, like they might in the Steubenville case.

    It just goes to show how pervasive rape culture really is in our world. It's frightening and disgusting how men will take advantage of physically incapacitated women like this.

    I want to take every guy on the planet and shake him by the shoulders and tell them that if they have sex with an extremely drunk woman, they are pathetic losers who can't get laid any other way. I want to curbstomp everybody who thinks having sex with a woman who is far too drunk to consent is a good idea.
     
  4. Gotham Knight Watchful Protector

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    Couldn't agree more. :up:

    Although women need to be more careful nowadays. If a woman wants to go out and get drunk to that point, they should plan ahead and bring a friend to drive them home. I don't hang out at bars, but I've read so many horror stories. People need to protect themselves when going out to that setting.

    Even men need to be aware of their surroundings. Which a lot of people scoff at, but it's the truth.
     
  5. Anita18 DANCE FOR ME, FUNNY MAN!

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    Right. But it still doesn't mean she deserved it, just as a jaywalker doesn't deserve to get run over by a bus. Those men are pigs.
     
  6. Gotham Knight Watchful Protector

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    Oh god no, I wasn't trying to imply that. I know people make comments like that, that's totally not what I was trying to imply.

    Just that women especially need to be extra smart/aware when out in that setting.
     
  7. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    Well what i find more disgusting is the fact that they were team mates. Anyone that has taken martial arts knows that your team mates essentially become your family; so they basically raped a family member.
     
  8. Pink Ranger The North Remembers

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    People always say don't get hammered by yourself, always be with friends you know and can trust.

    It looks like she was with guys she thought were her friends and could trust. :(
     
  9. chaseter Esteemed Member

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    I don't think the initials 'bjj' and the allegations of rape should be in the same sentence fyi. Hopefully they are served justice.
     
  10. Anita18 DANCE FOR ME, FUNNY MAN!

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    Seriously. Date rape is far more common than stranger rape...but taking her to a parking garage is kidnapping. That's not some simple misunderstanding or "things went too far" or something gray fuzzy boundary. That's the deepest kind of betrayal.

    I don't want women's only option to be spraying mace at every male that comes within 10 feet of them, but men like this are seriously NOT helping.
     
  11. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    With friends like this, who needs enemies...
     
  12. BestGirl Reluctantly following Vought's orders

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    Even though he and his friend were caught on film? :o I don't understand these parents who defend their kids to the bitter end. If my son were ever to do such a thing I'd strangle him myself.

    This whole situation reminds me of the Steubenville rape case. At least it doesn't seem as though the community is going to do its best to let the guys off.
     
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    I think she's saying Satan doctored the tape.

    People like this disgust me. As someone who's done martial arts for over a decade, I've seen a number of bad seeds who use their abilities for all the wrong reasons. This is just above and beyond, though.

    I say cuff their hands and feet together, and let the woman practice her techniques, full contact, on the rapists for the rest of her life.
     
  14. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    She's probably using the old 'it was consensual' defense to excuse her sons behavior. After having the whole ordeal caught on tape, and i assume the victim not resisting due to her intoxicated state, that's the only hand they can play.
     
  15. Anita18 DANCE FOR ME, FUNNY MAN!

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    They didn't even use their martial arts abilities - it could have been any goon at a bar with a female friend who could have done this. We just expect more of them because of the whole teammate and respect thing.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning whether they used the techniques. But the discipline and camaraderie that should be instilled in such longtime and dedicated students. I expect this least out of martial artists, but discipline and respect are left out these days.
     
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    You should have seen the video. And Aaron France is a complete *******. Nothing that he wrote about in his account of the surveillance tape is actually on the tape. He may be sued for slander and that is why he is no longer posting anything. He's shivering in his boots right now.
     
  18. mamboliciousman Registered

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    That's was Nicholas's mom who said that, not Maldonado's mom. Show's you how the media got it wrong again. And there were 14 jurors who sat through the trial. 2 of the jurors (alternates) were dismissed once the deliberations started. And yes…. They played the video over 10 times. And yes, Nicole Sanhueza impeached herself over 17 times. And yes, Maldonado was found not guilty on 11 felony counts and 11 misdemeanor counts. They couldn't even convict him for saying hi! Sad how you quickly rush to judgement and later text him about how sorry you were for the bad things you said about him. you are a disgrace!
     
  19. Golgo-13 The Return of the O.G

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    They were acquitted of the charges because, as one Juror who went on camera stated, you couldn't tell if it was consensual or not. There was no audio. And according to this same juror, you couldn't make heads nor tails of what was going on.

    The most disgusting part of this case is not so much the sex, which could have very well been consensual, it's the fact that they left her there on the floor, half naked and drunk
    in dangerously cold weather; it would have been bad enough if it was just some girl they just met, but to leave a friend / team mate in that condition is just….wow…...
     
  20. bored One Sexy Lemur

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    And that, unfortunately, is how a lot of rapists go free.
     
  21. DarkSovereignty Ooga Chakka

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    Disgusting. Hopefully the universe kicks in and gives them an aneurism.
     

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