New Christians Have A Voice

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My father just sent me this article.

I thought it was a great read.

My views on Christianity are the same, or very similar, and I would hope, for, one day soon, this to be true.

Quote of the article, for me, at least: ''These people are absurd. I've been a Christian all my life and I don't even know Christians this weird."

Merge if to be merged.

Enjoy, and debate fairly.


Link.

Christian Columnist said:
Donald Miller still loves God and Jesus. Don't misunderstand him.

His problem is with Christianity, at least how it's often practiced.

''It's a dangerous term so I try to avoid it,'' said Miller, who considered giving up his career as a Christian writer and leaving the church in 2003 because he couldn't attend services without getting angry.

For him, the word conjured up conservative politics, suburban consumerism and an ''insensitivity to people who aren't like us.'' He sat in his boxer shorts and banged out a memoir of his experiences with God, stripped of the trappings of religion.

''Blue Like Jazz: Nonreligious Thoughts on Christian Spirituality'' sold just enough to pay a few months rent. Then five years later, spurred by a grass-roots movement of 20-something Christians longing to connect to God without ties to the religious right, the book became a sudden hit.

Fans were buying caseloads and passing out copies to friends. It peaked at No. 18 on The New York Times list of best-sellers among paperback nonfiction in November. He was mobbed by fans after a recent Young Life conference in Orlando where he addressed a crowd of roughly 4,000.

Christians tired of the ''life is perfect'' mantra of some churches, revel in his ability to talk unashamedly about smoking pot, living in a hippie commune and the notion that God isn't a Republican.

Supporters say Miller's authentic, graceful approach to God has finally given a voice to their brand of Christianity. The book also debuted at a time when the emerging church movement — which emphasizes the individual's faith experience and varied worship styles — is flourishing, signaling a fertile audience for such religious musings among more socially liberal evangelicals.

Watching TBN one night on TV, Miller, 36, realized the conservative religious network was many people's baseline for Christianity. He wanted to change that.

''These people are absurd. I've been a Christian all my life and I don't even know Christians this weird,'' said the Portland, Ore.-based writer, who is single.

In his book, Miller describes his disdain for the us vs. them mentality between Christians and non-Christians.

''I felt, once again, that there was this underlying hostility for homosexuals and Democrats and, well, hippie types. I cannot tell you how much I did not want liberal or gay people to be my enemies. I liked them,'' he wrote. ''The real issue in the Christian community was that (love) was conditional ... You were loved in word, but there was, without question, a social commodity that was being withheld from you until you shaped up.''

Dave Morton was also growing cold on the church when he picked up Miller's book.

''The perspective that was refreshing to me was that your Christian faith doesn't have to look exactly like everybody's else's,'' said Morton, a 28-year-old ski instructor from Bend, Ore. ''It kind of inspired me to pursue God again with a fresh perspective.''

Brad Jones, a 30-year-old youth pastor at a conservative Southern Baptist Church in South Florida, said he felt alone in his desire for more authentic dialogue about God.

''My thoughts on faith aren't really going along with everyone else and then I read this and said, 'That's what I've been thinking the whole time,''' he said.

Miller's book embraces cultural relevance, not cultural dominance, he said.

''The typical judgmental, hate-filled, bigoted, more people knew what we were against than what we were for,'' mentality has little to do with the real God, Jones said.

Some experts say Miller and authors like him are in sync with a generation of young adults who very much believes in God, Jesus and the basics of Christianity, but are struggling to balance their conservative Christian upbringings with a culture that embraces a go-along-to get-along philosophy.

''People like Donald Miller are speaking almost like a prophet of a new age and describing the landscape in a way people who feel comfortable in that landscape really couldn't articulate before,'' said David Kinnaman, a researcher for The Barna Group and author of ''Unchristian.''

Critics call Miller's works casual and glib and say he strays from biblical truths when he downplays homosexuality and other sins.

One such critic, Shane Walker, says Miller presents Jesus as a ''nice fellow who meets one at the campfire and swaps stories.'' He forgets to remind readers that Jesus is also a judge and avenger who ''wants to save you from his just wrath,'' according to his review for 9Marks, an organization designed to help local churches re-establish their biblical bearings.

Miller, who is almost disappointingly normal looking in jeans and a blue button-down shirt, says ''toeing the party line for the church is not my job; telling the truth is my job. I don't fear saying that certain Republican policies are painful for God to endure.''

Miller has sold more than a million books, including ''Searching for God Knows What,'' and republished his first book, ''Through Painted Deserts,'' which sold dismally before his ''Blue Like Jazz'' fame. He also travels much of the year for speaking engagements.

''When I wrote this book I felt like I was stuffing a message in a bottle,'' Miller said.

Like the old Police song, Miller's beach is now flooded with responses.

''There's this connection of 'Hey, we're not alone in this boat.'''
 
I like the guy already. Even though I'm not a Christian myself (there's no name really for what I am, but the general term would be Agnostic), this is really refreshing.
 
I read "Blue Like Jazz," last year. I really enjoyed reading it, and I do believe that Donald Miller is a breath of fresh air in the Christian community. He represents one aspect of Christianity that seems to have fallen away from Christians as a group, although I would consider what he presented to be only a part of the greater Faith. I didn't agree with everything in it . . . but most of it.

He's not alone in rolling his eyes at TBN. I'm a very conservative Christian, but I don't identify with the people on that channel, either. I hate to think that they may be the most prevalent exposure to Christianity that some non-Christians see. TBN . . . that is NOT me. That has NEVER been me. And that NEVER WILL be me.

I also cringe at the notion that God only shares the values of the Republican party and that the Democrats are somehow the Party of Satan. Politicizing Christianity has been one of the great failings of our American churches.:csad:
 
I also cringe at the notion that God only shares the values of the Republican party and that the Democrats are somehow the Party of Satan. Politicizing Christianity has been one of the great failings of our American churches.:csad:

Exactly. Regardless of what your politics are, there are Democrats who are extremely religious. The one at the forefront of this is obviously Barack Obama, who is considered one of the most active Christians on both sides of the political aisle. The Democrats also have Bob Casey, a pro-life Senator from Pennsylvania, who is very active in his Catholic faith. Other numerous, lesser-known politicians are very active in their religions. Just because they disagree with the Republican Party, which has been hijacked by evangelicals, doesn't make them a party without religious principle.

Away from the politicians, I know many active Christians who consider themselves Democrats. While I don't feel abortion should be inspire a religious argument, since the concept was never addressed in the Bible, I know friends who are pro-life and against embryonic stem cell research who are active democrats. Even Democrats can embody some of the "values" the Christian right considers their own.

Just because Pat Robertson ran for President, that doesn't mean a perceived God endorsed the Republican party.
 
It's kind of sad that this is news. :huh:
 
I :heart: gay people, democrats, and the hippie types.
 
I :heart: gay people, democrats, and the hippie types.
Me, too, and I am a Christian. I think that some folks see Christians in a cookie cutter way, that we are all the same and all think the same way on all the issues when that is hardly true. I agree with this fellow when he says he discovered happily that one's Christianity can be an individual thing. I know I am not the only Christian that doesn't exactly fit into any one single denomination.
 
This guy is awesome. As a fervent believer in the ideals of the New Christian movement, hopefully this guy will get the same publicity Pat Robertson gets.
 
I have the book. I've had it for a couple years now, but I've yet to take the time to read it. If it's this good, I'll need to pick it back up soon. (Right after I finish Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lyring Liars Who Tell Them". (Just to give you an idea on where this Christian stands politically.)
 
Me, too, and I am a Christian. I think that some folks see Christians in a cookie cutter way, that we are all the same and all think the same way on all the issues when that is hardly true. I agree with this fellow when he says he discovered happily that one's Christianity can be an individual thing. I know I am not the only Christian that doesn't exactly fit into any one single denomination.

Like I've said before, your Christianity is what Christianity should be about. That's what most people I know follow. They live their lives, and let others live theirs, without criticizing or labeling people who are different than them. They accept that others have different beliefs, and they are willing to talk opening about them in a civil way. They won't cram scripture down people's throats, they won't force their views on people... they're very open minded people who follow a good set of rules to live their lives.

I find Christ's teachings to be excellent guidelines.

The problem comes when people are incredibly closed-minded and feel as if their beliefs are the only beliefs out there, and that it's "crazy" for anyone else to think differently. The problem heightens when they hide behind scripture and use it to justify hatred or bigotry. There's a difference between someone saying that they view homosexuality as something which God acknowledged as an "abomination," and someone saying that homosexuality is the downfall of mankind, the American family, and all that other bull****.

The problem becomes most severe when people politicize God and Christian values. When adulterers such as Newt Gingrich-- who was having an affair with an intern while his wife was dying of cancer-- attack others for having affairs, or when certain Senators purchase sex from prostitutes the same day they speak out about preserving the values of the American family, or when other Senators have anonymous gay sex with strangers or teenage boys while fighting against the very same behavior they are engaging in, they not only look like total asses, but they represent everything which is wrong with extremist Christianity.

Christians aren't bad, but the extremists are, and that's why I've become so fed up with the rhetoric in our supposedly non-religiously-affiliated society.
 
I :heart: gay people, democrats, and the hippie types.
true christians dont hate Gays, Democrats, Nor Hippies....
but for the Gays and such
we just dont believe what they are doing is what God would want...therefore we try to let them see our views and save them from Hell

i understand that some Christians are insane as to how they push everything on someone immediately...
 
true christians dont hate Gays, Democrats, Nor Hippies....
but for the Gays and such
we just dont believe what they are doing is what God would want...therefore we try to let them see our views and save them from Hell

i understand that some Christians are insane as to how they push everything on someone immediately...

Save them from hell? Do you believe engaging in homosexuality condemns me to hell?

isn't that a bit of an extreme generalization?:huh:
My goodness, I was just playing fluff. I wasn't even expecting any replies:cwink:
 
Save them from hell? Do you believe engaging in homosexuality condemns me to hell?
Duh? It was Adam and EVE, not Adam and STEVE!

How can you argue with that rock-solid logic? Jeez, it's like we have to spell it out for you people. :whatever:
 
I don't know. Even if I don't always agree with Wilhelm's posts (or his tone), at least his posts are somewhat provoking and entertaining. :woot:

Only if you're able to read them. He uses so many different font styles and sizes and frgantly abuses the Bold, Underline and Italics buttons to the point where it hurts your eyes. His posts remind me of those really bad ransom notes where the kidnapper sloppily pastes the words onto a sheet of paper using magazne clippings.
 
Only if you're able to read them. He uses so many different font styles and sizes and frgantly abuses the Bold, Underline and Italics buttons to the point where it hurts your eyes. His posts remind me of those really bad ransom notes where the kidnapper sloppily pastes the words onto a sheet of paper using magazne clippings.
You say it makes it harder to read, I say it adds character. :up:
 

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