Comics New Interview with Dan SLott

[kguillou]

There's a new interview up with Slott at comicbookresources.com: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19527


I gotta say, despite everything, Dan does know how to excite. Everytime i read his interviews i gain a little more confidence in BND. It looks like some cool stuff on the horizon.

 

[imdaly]

Awesome article.

Man, seriously, it sounds like issue-after-issue we're getting huge stories this year, and I really don't know what ones (that we know of so far) I'm most pumped about!

And by the sound of it, it sounds like perhaps ASM #600 may not be about the wedding-that-didn't-happen now? Sure sounds that way. Hmm...wonder what's going on instead then, if that's the case?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Can't wait for the Spidey/FF stuff!

 

[iloveclones]

Can't wait for The Spot, myself!

 

[iloveclones]

P.S. Dan, please bring back the Ringer.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

So Spider-Man: Extra is going Bi-Monthly?

Cool.

I just hope they give it some significance, and not use it as a "try out" book for aspiring writers as they did with the third volume of Spider-Man: Unlimited.

Peter has a large group of friends AND enemies whom i'd like to see featured every so often...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Great article!

Really great sutff to look foward to, IMO.

 

[Dragon]

There's a new interview up with Slott at comicbookresources.com: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19527


I gotta say, despite everything, Dan does know how to excite. Everytime i read his interviews i gain a little more confidence in BND. It looks like some cool stuff on the horizon.

Really? Cause I gotta say it had the opposite effect on me. I mean, I honestly don't want to hate this stuff. I picked up the first few issues of BND after dropping the title just before Civil War really looking to enjoy it. But it simply didn't deliver. And when I read Slott's explanation for Harry, I'm seriously disappointed.

Again- not only is it not original, but making use of an already iffy resurrection, but it's worse. Norman was "killed" by trauma. But Harry was "killed" by the GOBLIN FORMULA so, the formula killed then revived him???
That makes sense?

And the way Slott casually dismisses all of Norman's post Harry-death behavior as ways to keep suspicion of Harry's really being alive at bay is crap. First, why was there any need to keep Harry's being alive a secret to the level of his writing fake journals and posturing at a grave? Harry wasn't a wanted felon or anything.

And worse, a writer should never jettison characterization for expedience. Osborn kept journals because keeping track of his experiences as the Goblin would be significant. To simply toss out now that they were all lies to keep a secret that he didn't need to work so hard to keep is nonsense. Granted, pretty much all of Marvel's writing policy in the past 15-20 years has been such, but one should expect more. Slott sounds like a rank amateur.

And how can anyone be excited over anything to come from this crew when by their own policy nothing that happens in the comics matter anyway? They'll just be rendered as more falsehoods when they can't think of something really clever.

 

[Blader5489]

Those Osborn journals were pretty much rendered pointless as soon as they came out. They aren't just being tossed out now, they were tossed out 15 years ago.

 

[Dragon]

It isn't a point of the Osborn journals being wrong (Although that they are is another example of Marvel's poor editorial policy).

It's that the IDEA of Osborn keeping journals IS right. And deciding to fall back on him writing FAKE journals is a bad writing decision.

I mean is this the kind of writing someon should be paid for? Not to come up with something original or clever, but to simply say- AGAIN- that everything we showed you before was fake- what we're showing you NOW is real- (Until we paint ourselves into another corner, of course)...

 

[Venom 1988]

It's that the IDEA of Osborn keeping journals IS right. And deciding to fall back on him writing FAKE journals is a bad writing decision.

How so?

 

[Dragon]

How so?

Because character should always win out over concept. Stories are strong because of good characterization. The writer should always allow a character to be who they are, rather than bending them to the whim of the plot.

Again, Osborn should and would make a journal of his exploits. He's that kind of an ego. And he'd want people to know what a "great man" he was, in the event of his death, which he'd take as a risk of his life's endeavors. He wouldn't simply write a fake account of his life.

So, when Slott to simply explain why Osborn's journals can't be true if Harry is still alive then goes on to say that- "oh- so Osborn would go to the trouble to write out years worth of fake journal entries just in case someone read his secret journal- is a betrayal of character. It's the equivalent of Peter having actually killed the Goblin in ASM #122, and what we saw on the page being "only what Peter imagined" because he couldn't really deal with the truth that he's a killer. It's a cheat.

If Slott were really worth his rep, he'd have come up with a way to leave continuity intact while reviving Harry. Then at least we could trust him.

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Then at least we could trust him.

Slott or Osborn?

 

[imdaly]

It's that the IDEA of Osborn keeping journals IS right. And deciding to fall back on him writing FAKE journals is a bad writing decision.

Yeah. This new "revelation" just makes him seem very manipulative.....which he's always been.

 

[JayTee]

Glenn Greenberg approved. Sooooo fine with me.

 

[Dragon]

Yeah. This new "revelation" just makes him seem very manipulative.....which he's always been.

No, actually it makes him seem manipulated, which he's not supposed to be.

 

[Dragon]

And here's another question- Who the hell was this FAKE JOURNAL being written for? Peter had watched Harry die and knew he was buried. So he didn't need further convincing. And- since Osborn was keeping the fact that he was alive and knew about Harry being dead a secret, Peter finding the journal would reveal the BIGGER secret- That Osborn HIMSELF was alive. And if someone other than Peter read the journal, the knowledge that Osborn is in fact the Goblin is a bigger problem for Osborn than Harry being alive.

Furthermore, once Norman came out of hiding and it was shown that the Goblin formula was the secret to eternal life, how much of a shock would it be that Harry had the same immortality? I guess the Hobgoblins are also going to live forever as well.

 

[Blader5489]

And here's another question- Who the hell was this FAKE JOURNAL being written for? Peter had watched Harry die and knew he was buried. So he didn't need further convincing. And- since Osborn was keeping the fact that he was alive and knew about Harry being dead a secret, Peter finding the journal would reveal the BIGGER secret- That Osborn HIMSELF was alive. And if someone other than Peter read the journal, the knowledge that Osborn is in fact the Goblin is a bigger problem for Osborn than Harry being alive.

Like I said, you're about 15 years late to the party here. The Osborn journal was effectively rendered meaningless during the Clone Saga. Just throw it into the abyss of 90s nonsense that doesn't matter anymore.

 

[Dragon]

Like I said, you're about 15 years late to the party here. The Osborn journal was effectively rendered meaningless during the Clone Saga. Just throw it into the abyss of 90s nonsense that doesn't matter anymore.

If it wasn't worth noting, why would Slott bring it up at all?

But anyway, as I've already siad- my point isn't the accuracy of the Juornal (Since Marvel is retcon happy as it is, the journal could be retconned to BE ACCURATE). My point is why would he spend YEARS writing a FAKE JOURNAL for no reason other than to hide Harry's being alive- And yet OUT HIMSELF as being alive and being the Goblin as well?

Slott didn't think this retcon through (Although as I'd said, they rarely do. If they did a little thinkig, they'd be able to do without retconning.)

And by the by- I understand that alot of fans here have spent much of their comics reading within the abysmal period of rampant retconning, so for you guys yet another retcon is no big deal. I'm just saying the comics can be done without insulting our intelligence. If they gave those of us who care about such things that consideration, I doubt those who don't care would enjoy the comics any less.

 

[Themanofbat]

If it wasn't worth noting, why would Slott bring it up at all?

But anyway, as I've already siad- my point isn't the accuracy of the Juornal (Since Marvel is retcon happy as it is, the journal could be retconned to BE ACCURATE). My point is why would he spend YEARS writing a FAKE JOURNAL for no reason other than to hide Harry's being alive- And yet OUT HIMSELF as being alive and being the Goblin as well?

Slott didn't think this retcon through (Although as I'd said, they rarely do. If they did a little thinkig, they'd be able to do without retconning.)

And by the by- I understand that alot of fans here have spent much of their comics reading within the abysmal period of rampant retconning, so for you guys yet another retcon is no big deal. I'm just saying the comics can be done without insulting our intelligence. If they gave those of us who care about such things that consideration, I doubt those who don't care would enjoy the comics any less.

Without getting too nit-picky, which I think you've done, it's not that big of a deal to tear apart Slott's Harry ressurection... sure, you might find it hard to believe that Norman wrote "fake" journal entries, but if that's the bad side of it, then be happy that that's it... for it could have been a LOT worse under someone else's pen... JMS would have just brought him back without explanation... sort of like how he wrote Sins Past, and then let the fans figure out if/how it could have worked... THAT was insulting to our intelligence and lazy writing in my opinion... for Christ sake's... give Slott some props for at least attempting to make it work... which in my opinion, he has done.

Slott's a Marvel ****e, so as long as he's on the Spidey-Team, I'm sure that Spidey's continuity will be tighter than ever... and when's the last time we all
felt that way about ASM?

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:23 am Post subject:

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Just about the Osborn Journal. In that issue Norman states that Aunt May died and bemoans the fact that he had nothing to do with it. A few years later when Aunt May returns and it is revealed that Osborn hired an actress to replace her. So why did he lie in the Journal in the first place?

Well that question was answered in the Final Chapter. Osborn hands Peter his journal, and the writing begins to change. Osborn explains that his plan all along was to have Peter discover his journal when he broke into his home a few months earlier. Peter would read the story, it would check out in his mind as something that could have happened and he would hand it in as proof of Osborns activties as the Green Goblin, when he did this the writing would change into a confession by Peter that he murdered his Aunt.

So 10 years ago the journal was revealved to be nothing but a pack of lies by Osborn to frame Peter.

 

[Venom 1988]

Hmmm
So really then, Dan Slott didn't retcon anything concerning that, he just happen to get lucky. I guess even the writers forgot what happened in the god awful Final Chapter arc lol

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:23 am Post subject:

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Just about the Osborn Journal. In that issue Norman states that Aunt May died and bemoans the fact that he had nothing to do with it. A few years later when Aunt May returns and it is revealed that Osborn hired an actress to replace her. So why did he lie in the Journal in the first place?

Well that question was answered in the Final Chapter. Osborn hands Peter his journal, and the writing begins to change. Osborn explains that his plan all along was to have Peter discover his journal when he broke into his home a few months earlier. Peter would read the story, it would check out in his mind as something that could have happened and he would hand it in as proof of Osborns activties as the Green Goblin, when he did this the writing would change into a confession by Peter that he murdered his Aunt.

So 10 years ago the journal was revealved to be nothing but a pack of lies by Osborn to frame Peter.

Jack; do you remember what issue exactly that was in?

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Peter Parker: Spider-Man. Vol 1 #97

http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/spiderman/097.html

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Peter Parker: Spider-Man. Vol 1 #97

http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/spiderman/097.html

Awesome. Thanks man.


Hey Dragon; looks like your arguement just got blown out of the water, lol.