The Dark Knight new news: fabricky costume for TDK

[Cobblepot]

That's bull if they keep the cowl as slim as possible they don't need to bulk him up.
I said partly prostetics that could be below the eyes.

 

[not_a_victim]

OK, having read this thread, I think a lot of people who have been criticizing the Begins' suit need to see the film again and pay more attention.



Exactly. What people can't seem to realize here is that the only restricting element in the BB suit is the cowl. The fact that he can't seem to move his neck a whole lot makes his movements look a bit clumsy. But the suit itself is very mobile and flexible:

^ Most people would have trouble lifting their leg that high in normal clothes, let alone in a "Robocop" suit.

As for Bale's comment about him not being able to raise his arms
"particularly high", it might very well mean him not being able to raise his arms completely. As these screencaps show, he can raise them pretty high, not to mention the fact that these were taken from fight scenes where not only did he have to raise them but he had to raise them fast -

Not to saying that the suit is completely flexible or anything...the shoulders seem to have thicker padding that might not allow him to fully raise his arms effortlessly, but it definitely does not hamper his mobility in the way many posters are suggesting. Especially when he can strike poses like this:

And if you still have trouble accepting the fact that the actor/stuntman has great mobility in the Begins' suit, watch this. The actor/stuntman can easily run, jump, crouch, kick, block, punch and hang on to ledges while wearing the Begins bodysuit.

I think the advancements they've made with the suit have come so far that with a few more improvements to the Begins bodysuit, it won't really make a big difference whether it is fabric or neoprene because they'll be both flexible enough for Batman to move like he should.

In response to the point made by Saint earlier about the awkward bomb throw in Begins, the awkward movement was because of the stiff cowl, not the bodysuit itself. I suggest you try mimicking that same motion but without turning your neck and then you'll get it.

Really, when it comes to discussing the suit, all arguments are almost aesthetically based, which is entirely subjective. One thing I believe we can all agree on is that they definitely need to improve the cowl, or more specifically, the neck area of the cowl by making it more flexible to allow free movement of the head. Although I will admit I have greatly despised lujho's ideas for the cowl (especially the translucent lens and the cowl collar) ever since I saw them first on these boards more than 2 years ago now and my opinion on it hasn't changed a bit.

Please tell me that you don't really think that the stunt/fight suits were the same suits that Bale wore. Stunt/fight suits would be quite different to allow the stunter to do what needed to be done. They are rarely more than a fabric mock-up of the real suit.

 

[MechaOrga]

In my defense, my wife and my best friends( who are not film geeks like me and do not work in Film/TV like myself) noticed the creases in the costume while watching the movie.

Not the first time watching the film but the second for sure.No Biggie.

The one in the arm pit/ shoulder/chest area is REALLY obvious.

BUT it is just a nitpick and surely doesn't damage an otherwise near perfect portrait of the caped crusader.

Im sure this will be fixed in the sequel anyway

BRUCE: mr. fox?
FOX: Yes mr. wayne
BRUCE: My suit creases over here(points to area)
FOX: Yeah i probably should'a mentioned it to you mr. wayne.Its just a aesthetic thing. Im sure no one noticed teh puffiness...
BRUCE: Your fired.

 

[Wams]

I don't think it is necessary to build up thick foam muscles ...
It can be indicated in the print of the suit graphically in to a wetsuit.
It will creat the same illusion but with more flexability.
The only thing that needs to be sculpted is the cowl,belt and insignia.

P.S...I would have the suit be black on black.

 

[MechaOrga]

I don't think it is necessary to build up thick foam muscles ...
It can be indicated in the print of the suit graphically in to a wetsuit.
It will creat the same illusion but with more flexability.
The only thing that needs to be sculpted is the cowl,belt and insignia.

P.S...I would have the suit be black on black.

damn that's a purty picture!

 

[lujho]

Now that is the truest and most important thing I've read on this thread. Of course they considered spandex, of course they tried grey, they probably experimented with things that would be far beyond our scope. They put shiiiiitloads of work into finding the right suit and then we sit here and go 'oh it should be like comics....'

No, they really just used tried and true methods (a lot of people having worked on suits for the old films) to make a suit more or less in the same way they had before, because they really didn't have a lot of time to do it.

 

[lixdexia]

just to clear things up for some folks, but unless you're in the water, wet-suits aren't exactly the most flexable things in the world. personally i think they sould sculpt armored peices and place them under a spandex suit, like how they did the muscle suits in spidy and supes, only for armor not muscles.

 

[kenellard]

i think people are saying wetsuit material as more of a way to avoid using that "evil" word spandex than anything else

 

[Wams]

just to clear things up for some folks, but unless you're in the water, wet-suits aren't exactly the most flexable things in the world. personally i think they sould sculpt armored peices and place them under a spandex suit, like how they did the muscle suits in spidy and supes, only for armor not muscles.

Sure they are flexable.
Swimmers use the maximum flexibility when in the water.

 

[lixdexia]

oh, we avoid that by saying "compression shorts" and "under armor" where i'm from

 

[lixdexia]

Sure they are flexable.
Swimmers use the maximum flexibility when in the water.

yes, in the water they are, on land not so much, kinda like wearing a rubberband

 

[lixdexia]

double post

 

[Infinity9999x]

I really didn't mind the suit that much, but I would like to see something different merely for the sake of seeing something new.

I mean, yes, the Begins suit was different, but it was still very simmilar in apperance to the old suits. I would like to see a more comic faithfull costume (all with very dark grays and blacks, no bright grays and blues as some comics have) simply to see what they would do with it, and because it would be fresh.

 

[Agentsands77]

I mean, yes, the Begins suit was different, but it was still very simmilar in apperance to the old suits. I would like to see a more comic faithfull costume (all with very dark grays and blacks, no bright grays and blues as some comics have) simply to see what they would do with it, and because it would be fresh.

I feel like a change like that for THE DARK KNIGHT is far too jarring for a series that should really have a tight continuity. Minor tweaks I can handle, but what you're suggesting is such a radical change would be too much.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I feel like a change like that for THE DARK KNIGHT is far too jarring for a series that should really have a tight continuity. Minor tweaks I can handle, but what you're suggesting is such a radical change would be too much.

Yes, I do think it's too late to do a truely comic faithfull suit. But, I do think they could slim down the suit a bit, make it more like a thin fabric piece, and easily explain it away in the movie (a new body armor only slightly thicker then an average t-****). Lighten up the grey a tad (not too much) or keep the grey the same and simply make the bat and gloves a bit darker, while keeping the same basic design of the Begins suit, and we'd have a more comic true costume, while at the same time not differing too much from Begin's design.

 

[Agentsands77]

But, I do think they could slim down the suit a bit, make it more like a thin fabric piece, and easily explain it away in the movie (a new body armor only slightly thicker then an average t-****).

I like the suit having some bulk on it. I like that imposing size. I don't want some svelt Batman. A lot of mock-ups on these pages are far too skinny for me. I think the suit could be tweaked, of course, but I want the basic size the same.

But as far as a comic-faithful suit goes, I just don't really want one. What works in one medium won't necessarily look so great in another, and I have yet to see some mock-up of a faithful-to-the-comics Batman costume that looks anywhere near as cool as the not-so-faithful-to-the-comics costumes.

 

[MechaOrga]

Ya' know, I think ANY negativity towards the suit in Begins comes from the fact that the suit is still in the same ball park as the Burton/Schumacher suits.

Yeah they look somewhat different.

The begins suit is shot alot better and the man inside is actually batman's true measurements(give or take), but its still that "black rubber" look.

I agree with some of the above posters in that making something way off from the begins costume may seem too jarring, however sleeking it down some may be the better option(--if the rumor is that the costume designer is searching for stretch fabrics, then, well, this is probably the case)

I am Ok with anything as long as Bale's batman still proves to be intimidating. If he needs black rubber to help him out, the more the better!

 

[Cinemaman]

I think BB suit version was the best one. It had exact size, perfect color and design was great. I would like to see just some unnecessary changesto make suit more comfortable for Bale.

 

[Wams]

yes, in the water they are, on land not so much, kinda like wearing a rubberband

Im obviously gonna have to prove you wrong.

 

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

If it ain't baroque don't fix it.

The only thing IMO to improve upon is the cowls mobility. But don't forget that Batman isn't going out dancing, hes kicking ass he needs body armour.

 

[Nepenthes]

I'd be cool if the suit was the same but AT LEAST remove the triangular clasps. They stick out like dogs balls. Just one minor change that would make a huge difference.

 

[Cobblepot]

UC73 is right, I've done some diving and you can't move jack **** in a wetsuit.

 

[Cobblepot]

Oh and Wams, great design.

 

[MechaOrga]

I'd be cool if the suit was the same but AT LEAST remove the triangular clasps. They stick out like dogs balls. Just one minor change that would make a huge difference.

LMFAO at dog balls!!!!!!t:

The Suit kicks majors ass but isnt perfect. Will any suit be pefect......probably not.

I really got a kick out of batman's suit in dead end but upon viewing it more than once, it started to look silly.

I mean he litterally was wearing jammie-jams in the rain. He would be freezing!!!!

I also started out a fan of white lenses but came to my senses. A penetrating stare is a lot more menacing on film then two white slits.(also when you have a actor like Bale at your call, why would you wanna cover his eyes.)

(hey you guys and girls see the new scarecrow figure from dc direct. Its from the new JUSTICE line. He looks pretty cool..... )

 

[Wams]

Oh and Wams, great design.

Thanks.