New solicit: Does it mean Selina's baby is headed into limbo?

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As far as I can tell, no one else has posted this particular tidbit on this forum yet. So I'll spread the word.

DC has posted an "updated" solicit for "Catwoman #71" on its site at http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=7973

The text of the plot summary says:

Selina Kyle has to say goodbye to the most important person in her life! And when all that was caring in Selina is gone, Catwoman will be at her most unexpected, her most unpredictable and her most dangerous!

The strong implication appears to be that Baby Helena is about to vanish from Selina's life . . . somehow.

Over on DC's own boards an unhappy fan has posted his complaints about this. He asked why it's evidently "so difficult" to keep writing about infant (or small child) characters, given that others have been created and then removed from continuity or "hastily aged" or whatever -- in comic books, TV shows, etc.

In response to his question, I said:

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I don't think "so difficult" is exactly the right way to put it. I think the biggest problems come when we're dealing the family trees of corporate-owned superhero characters who have been written by dozens of people in the past and will be written by dozens more in the future. Writer A may think it's a brilliant and touching idea idea to let a superhero have a baby boy or girl to start raising from the cradle. But later on, Writer B will take over, and Writer B will mutter, "What's this junk about spending lots of time raising a baby? That just slows down the plot! It's not the type of story about Catwoman (or the Scarlet Witch, or Cyclops, or Donna Troy, or Aquaman, or whomever) that I always dreamed of writing when I was just another fanboy!"

So Writer B finds a way to "fix" the "awkward problem" of the child's existence so that there won't be any further need to write about the kid in the future! If Writer B didn't do it now, Writer C would do it next year, or Writer D would do it the year after that, or Writer E would do it even later . . . you get the idea!

A few years ago I began a lengthy study of the inherent problems of "Superhero Reproduction" under such circumstances. I wrote a series of ten essays on different aspects of the subject, and someday I intend to write at least two or three more to finish up my "series." The final essay of the series will be an exhaustive examination of the biography of Franklin Richards (child of Mister Fantastic and the Invisible Woman), with special attention on all the different tricks various writers have tried to use on one Fantastic Four title or another to get "that annoying little kid" (as they seem to regard him) somehow out of sight as much as possible during their runs. (Granted, some writers have also been perfectly willing to let him participate in their stories.)

Here's a link to the first and second installments of my "Superhero Reproduction" series, archived on my own website. (So are the other 8 installments if you get interested enough to look for them! :) )

Superhero Reproduction (Part 1): "We Can't Follow the Normal Timetable!"

Superhero Reproduction (Part 2): Pregnancy Problems


A bit later in his initial post, the guy who started that thread speculated that Helena is probably going to end up being raised by another family (presumably far away from Gotham), and wondered why DC even bothered having Selina get pregnant if they were just going to write the baby out of the Catwoman series a bit later.

My attitude was very different from his. I said:

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I always took it for granted that the whole point of getting her pregnant was to have the "shock value" of letting her give birth as the OYL period started up last year, and also to have the "running mystery" for several months of just who the heck the biological father was! Those goals have long since been achieved!

I also took it for granted all this time that Baby Helena would definitely disappear from the ongoing Catwoman title (even if she theoretically was still alive, out there somewhere) within a few years of her birth. After all, now that the "shock value" has come and gone, and now that the "mystery" of her conception has long since been achieved, DC probably sees no further use for her!

So I'm not the least bit surprised by the solicit you [the guy on the DC boards] quoted. I've just been waiting for that other shoe to drop for almost a year and a half now!
 
I think the only reason why Helena might go away is simply because she isn't Batman's child and well, that pissed off a lot of people.
 
Speaking for myself -- if she'd turned out to be Batman's child, without him having bothered to marry Catwoman before the kid was born, that would make me really unhappy. But as was, I wasn't angry at the baby for existing; I just figured she wouldn't have any real staying power anyway!
 
Meh, Batman already has a bastard child, what's wrong with another one?
 
Yeah, I was pulling for the kid being Bruce's even though I figured it wouldn't be. It certainly would beat Daimen. Man, I ****ing hate that kid.
 
Meh, who cares. Probably turn up again in 20 years anyway.
 
Yeah, I was pulling for the kid being Bruce's even though I figured it wouldn't be. It certainly would beat Daimen. Man, I ****ing hate that kid.

I'm thinking that DC'll eventually retcon the kid to being Bruce's anyways.
 
I think a lot of these complaints are certainly side effects of DC's decision, and they should have been more thoughtful when making the decision, but I think the more likely impetus for this is that, like so many other characters, Catwoman is destined to return to her earlier roots. With Catwoman, that means: villain. Not an evil ***** harpy, because she's rarely, if ever, been one of those, but a mischievous thief who does NOT fight on the side of the law. None of her supporting characters will be around anymore. Just Selina, the thief. I think the people handling the title were actually trying to position her this way even before OYL, but those intentions got pushed to the side when OYL had to focus on the bouncing baby girl.

But this is a very clumsy way to go about achieving that goal. I mean, would it be COMPLETELY out of the question for Selina to be a thief--with a baby?
 
I wouldn't the child if the story always didn't come to it being in trouble and Selina having to save it. That was like the last two storylines.
 
I'm thinking that DC'll eventually retcon the kid to being Bruce's anyways.

I'm sure at some point, both Helena and Daimen will be retconned. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we find that Daimen really isn't Bruce's kid by the end of his run.
 
Writers and Editors of DC (Marvel, too):
What's so hard about bringing in a babysitter?

"I want to write this great Catwoman story, but I can't with this baby around. Maybe I should get rid of it."
Oooorrrr Selina can drop the kid off with a friend before embarking on her adventure.

"With Jean Grey back from the dead, maybe it's not such a good idea to have his son from a previous marriage hanging around, reminding us that his mother ever existed. Let's ship him off to an alternate timeline."
Oooorrrr Charles can look after him. He's always around the mansion, anyway.

"Mary-Jane is pregnant! Wait-- if Spider-Man has a baby, then maybe we won't be able to do these stories where villains threaten to take his life away from him. Let's kill the child in the womb."
Oooorrrr Peter & MJ's baby can play with Franklin Richards all damn day.

I got nothing for Donna Troy. I think writers killed her son just to F with her.
 
I'm sure at some point, both Helena and Daimen will be retconned. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we find that Daimen really isn't Bruce's kid by the end of his run.

When I was buying Morrison's first story arc about Batman and Damian, I kept expecting Bruce to do a DNA test to be on the safe side.

As far as I could tell, he never bothered.

Whatever happened to the whole "World's Greatest Detective" concept? Is he just going to tamely believe anything Talia tells him?
 
both catwoman and the baby can die for all i care. i certainly would'nt be happy if that baby was bats. mainly because i don't like catwoman being with bats.


im pretty sure damien is Bruce's. but instead of having damien naturally she used science mumbo jumbo to do it.
 
They'll probably send her to the same monastery/school thingy they sent Sin to.:o
 
I'm sure at some point, both Helena and Daimen will be retconned. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we find that Daimen really isn't Bruce's kid by the end of his run.

For Damien I'd throw in for "dies dramatically and then is never mentioned again."

Although I bet they'll give him a case in the Batcave, just to take one more **** on anybody who ever cared about Steph Brown.
 
For Damien I'd throw in for "dies dramatically and then is never mentioned again."

Although I bet they'll give him a case in the Batcave, just to take one more **** on anybody who ever cared about Steph Brown.


lmao. i don't see the big deal about her anyway. Tim cries over conner and bart more then steph.
 
I loved Steph Brown. She was one of the best things to happen to Cass Cain. I liked her with Tim.

Then DiDio kills her and unloads a massive brick on her grave monthly.
 
lmao. i don't see the big deal about her anyway. Tim cries over conner and bart more then steph.

Every once in a while I start to doubt my own convictions, but then you come along and disagree with me, confirming the inherent truth and righteousness of all that I believe.
 
Every once in a while I start to doubt my own convictions, but then you come along and disagree with me, confirming the inherent truth and righteousness of all that I believe.

unfortunately it's not enough to get her a memorial:o
 
I loved Steph Brown. She was one of the best things to happen to Cass Cain. I liked her with Tim.

Then DiDio kills her and unloads a massive brick on her grave monthly.
He also ****ed Cassandra herself over and ruined Leslie Thompkins' character. Didio seems to have a vendetta against Bat-family women.
 
Maybe Helena Kyle will show up in a new series set in an alternate future where she's a hero called Catgirl... it will be part of a new DC2 line. :D
 
lame.
A story about Catwoman balancing her costumed ways with attempting to raise a baby would be excellent, and extremely original stuff.

I've finished reading your first essay, and your point that children put a strain on the passage of comic-time for the reader as well as the writing staff, requiring their ultimate removal from continuity is extremely valid, certainly not something I'd considered.

by the way, If you get these essays up to scratch, talk to the guys at Sequart, they're pressing a series of books/essays on comics, and this sort of thing would fit right in.
 
i don't know what the **** they're doing with catwoman, and i've read every issue from the last three years. first she's pregnant and gives up being catwoman to protect her kid, then she takes up being catwoman again so there's two of them running around and now she's going back to being a villain and ditching her kid. i wish dc would stop ****ing up my favorite characters (nightwing, flash, catwoman, green arrow, etc...)
 

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