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"Many men have imagined republics and principalities that never really existed at all. Yet the way men live is so far removed from the way they ought to live that anyone who abandons what is for what should be pursues his downfall rather than his preservation; for a man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good."

Machiavelli





Yes, late night (living in Asia) rantings. But if life smacks you in the face... post it here so we can bash society together.
 
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Society's moral compass has failed on a level that makes idealism punitive to a man's living conditions. So much for your mangina.
 
So are we supposed to post up unfortunate truths about society or what?
 
Ah, Machiavelli if only I knew of your wisdom during highschool.... *sigh*

This is such a harsh reality, but you don't have to live by it depending on what it is you want to do with your life.

If your in business, politics, or in most fields that require some strategy to get to the top... You're going to have to be a prick or you'll have to settle for mediocrity in terms of how far you get.

If you can't be satisfied with monogamy and rather the notion of serial monogamy, you won't achieve this by being a sweety.

I'm at a point in life where I'm not sure how I want to handle myself, I'm definitely horny, just came out of a 3 year relationship and prior to this I never really exploited the possibilities of being a stud because of the somewhat shaddy moral implications, but I don't want to be that old man looking at strapping 20 somethings and wishing I could do it over again and have me some fun...
 
So are we supposed to post up unfortunate truths about society or what?

If what you see in society is unfortunate then yes, let's.

I just find it interesting that the quote comes from the 16th century and is still pretty much relative to this day.

I try to live my life in line of what's good. But how can you?
 
Sorry that the *****ebag took home the girl you were trying to pick up this weekend knowsbleed.
 
If what you see in society is unfortunate then yes, let's.

I just find it interesting that the quote comes from the 16th century and is still pretty much relative to this day.

I try to live my life in line of what's good. But how can you?

Evil is sexy:o think about it:o
 
machiavelli and the hype is one trippy combo
 
Good thing I've been acting like such a *****e lately. Still the fact that I'm posting something on here is unsettling.
 
"Many men have imagined republics and principalities that never really existed at all. Yet the way men live is so far removed from the way they ought to live that anyone who abandons what is for what should be pursues his downfall rather than his preservation; for a man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good."

Machiavelli
But aren't any fringe actors sure to come to ruin? Those who drive for tremendous good (perhaps, say, Martin Luther King Jr.) and those who commit unspeakable evil (John Wayne Gacy?) meet the same fate, from we who fear them.
 
"Many men have imagined republics and principalities that never really existed at all. Yet the way men live is so far removed from the way they ought to live that anyone who abandons what is for what should be pursues his downfall rather than his preservation; for a man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good."

Machiavelli





Yes, late night (living in Asia) rantings. But if life smacks you in the face... post it here so we can bash society together.


Now I get the "awww" this morning in the Lounge.

Life has been smacking me lately. But, man, you just have to laugh about it.
 
I said really, I just want to dance. Good and evil match perfect, it's a great romance.
 
The vicious cycle of life for a college dropout from the working class:

You need a car to get a job and you need a job to get a car.
 
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I had a kidney transplant when I was 17, probably will have to have another one, might not live to see retirement age, still a virgin, work a full time job while living in my parents basement because I can't afford an apartment because of health care costs. And I can't eat bacon anymore, and I really really like bacon!!!
 
I had a kidney transplant when I was 17, probably will have to have another one, might not live to see retirement age, still a virgin, work a full time job while living in my parents basement because I can't afford an apartment because of health care costs. And I can't eat bacon anymore, and I really really like bacon!!!

You can't eat bacon! :waa:
 
My coworker proved this week that it doesn't matter whether or not you're the better actor (or even a good one, for that matter), it matters whether or not you can suck up to the judges enough to get an award over other, MUCH more deserving candidates.
 
When my mom had cancer, the oncologist said her cancer was in remission and that her tumor was just a shadow. A later test showed it had actually grown.
 
Ah, Machiavelli if only I knew of your wisdom during highschool.... *sigh*

This is such a harsh reality, but you don't have to live by it depending on what it is you want to do with your life.

If your in business, politics, or in most fields that require some strategy to get to the top... You're going to have to be a prick or you'll have to settle for mediocrity in terms of how far you get.

If you can't be satisfied with monogamy and rather the notion of serial monogamy, you won't achieve this by being a sweety.

I just don't understand this dumb and half-assed mentality of "nice guys finish last" or that you have to be a hardcore jerk to be successful.

Just because you can be nice doesn't mean that you can't be tough. And being tough doesn't require acting like a prick. I'm just sick of these kind of deafening woes of sissies who disguise their cowardice with courtesy and then cry foul when the whole world treats them like a human doormat (not talking specifically about anyone in this thread, just speaking in general).

My advice? Man up. Be nice, but not unconditionally. Have some principles, uncompromising but also reasonable. Extend courtesy, but not to the point where others might see it as a weakness. Be polite, but also strong and confident. And most importantly, never ever even remotely come off as needy or desperate - not for friends, not for chicks, not for your job, not for social acceptance, nothing, even if it means being alone at times. And the brief time spent in solitude during such a state would only make you a more strong-willed and self-reliant individual, that would ultimately make you not only more attractive, but also admirable in the eyes of others.

I don't want to boast, but I'll just say that my luck in term of both ladies and life has been more than good after I learned that I have to be strong before being sweet, and confident before being courteous. No one dislikes a nice guy. They dislike a weakling.
 
The way society has turned for the worse is to blame. There are simply more malificent, selfish people out there than benevolent people. It's about as simple as that. People value power and money more than anything else, and unfortunately will do anything to obtain them. Climbing to the top in many professions requires having knee pads... and the complete lack of conscious/empathy for others as you stab their back/walk on them.

It's pretty difficult to go where you want to go if you just use your work ethic and intelligence. I have seen first hand that some bureaucracies are so corrupt that those in charge will figure out and subvert those that have the potential to rise to the top, and the desire to make changes that will affect them negatively.

I hate to use a movie as an example, but the scene in Dark Knight where the mayor is talking to the DA about his decision to round up all of the criminal underground in the city and arrest them. He enlightens him to the fact that many police and political figures are corrupt and have a wallet full of dirty money. That's pretty much how the real world has become. We have just about all politicians taking kickbacks that are illegal, and unethical in the least.

I think the main reason why things have gotten to such a decadent point, is that those with negative motivations and without ethics are simply willing to stoop to lows/depths that their opposites will not. Once again I hate to draw another comparison to a movie, but also in TDK, Batman had no choice but to stoop to an unethical level in order to defeat his villian, who will do anything, without a single care for morals or law, to get what he needs to do... done. His "rules" are a theme throughout the movie, because the criminals have the advantage of being able to go to more drastic measures because of it. I myself have taken on some anti-social heathens who want nothing more than to psychologically break me, "corrupt" me, and make me "only care about myself."

Unfortunately I had to do something that wasn't exactly unethical... but wasn't a very good thing to do in the workplace, in order to slay them. But I'm still around, because I learn from my mistakes.
 
The way society has turned for the worse is to blame. There are simply more malificent, selfish people out there than benevolent people. It's about as simple as that. People value power and money more than anything else, and unfortunately will do anything to obtain them. Climbing to the top in many professions requires having knee pads... and the complete lack of conscious/empathy for others as you stab their back/walk on them.

It's pretty difficult to go where you want to go if you just use your work ethic and intelligence. I have seen first hand that some bureaucracies are so corrupt that those in charge will figure out and subvert those that have the potential to rise to the top, and the desire to make changes that will affect them negatively.

Posts like this make me sad that quite literally the world is slowly spiraling down a hellhole.
 

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