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this one has got to be real dark to be fair, all the baddies came off as being pretty weak in the film
Fantasy TV is now The Lord of the Rings!
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where in that entire post did i give a reason justifying their quick deaths? i was actually agreeing with you that they did not get the action they should have gotten.
Some of us believe that nobody stands a chance against Ghost Rider, so eliminating them quickly makes total sense. I would rather see GR kick the crap out these elementals quick and easy than see him loose for even a fraction of a second.
The Blackheart stuff could have had more yes, but the others. I'm happy they were disposed of quickley.
All that is true, but they still could've found a way to fit more action in. Like in the Blackheart scene...like you said.
Regardless of buying trees and all that, most of the money went to developoing the cg. thats done now, so if they have a similar budget, things should be much better 2nd time around. imo
All that is true, but they still could've found a way to fit more action in. Like in the Blackheart scene...like you said.
Regardless of buying trees and all that, most of the money went to developoing the cg. thats done now, so if they have a similar budget, things should be much better 2nd time around. imo
Some of us believe that nobody stands a chance against Ghost Rider, so eliminating them quickly makes total sense. I would rather see GR kick the crap out these elementals quick and easy than see him loose for even a fraction of a second.
The Blackheart stuff could have had more yes, but the others. I'm happy they were disposed of quickley.
I see the point of FH and AVEIT, but I have to agree with MS. If the 3 elementals were just meant to slow down GR and give him some baddies to quickly dispose of, then I dont think they were supposed to be presented the way they were in the movie.
If you're gonna introduce baddies with specific abilities and characterizations, you better use them. It doesn't make sense to hype and set-up characters, and not make a follow through on what was set-up.
I mean, these guys were introduced as having control of specific elements. Presenting such to an audience automatically makes the audience expect that powers very much related to the villain's prefered element will be seen later on in the film. So when GR fights the earth guy, were all naturally expecting to see the earth guy use his earth powers. Not drive a truck into him. Heck, they could've used your average thug to do that.
What I'm driving at here is that the set-ups for the movie were really bad. We'd be presented with one thing, and not have a follow through later on, leaving the audience hanging and scratching their heads.
If Blackheart's goons were really just meant to slow GR down and make him dispose of them really quick, then MSJ just should've made these guys the average henchmen working for the bigger boss. Hollow and chracterless baddies that were meant to merely be nuances to the protagonist. At least in that way, the really quick fight scenes would've been quite understandable.
Actually, from what I remember, the baddies didn't have control on the elements; they were merely hiding within them. This of course means there was nothing really to follow up on as they were just henchmen. Demons who escaped from hell and were hiding on earth like pathetic losers. They weren't set up to be that powerful and therefor should have been disposed of quickly, which they were.
Actually, from what I remember, the baddies didn't have control on the elements; they were merely hiding within them. This of course means there was nothing really to follow up on as they were just henchmen. Demons who escaped from hell and were hiding on earth like pathetic losers. They weren't set up to be that powerful and therefor should have been disposed of quickly, which they were.
So what was the point of them? Why even give them a backstory when these generic bad guys could have just been easily disposed of like Batman thugs without an afterthought?
Hmm. Well, if it was MSJ's intention to present the three elementals as mere henchmen to be quickly disposed of, I don't think that he was successful since most people didn't see it that way. Exactly the same way most people didn't get Nic Cage's idea of JB eating jellybeans to ward off the devil. Besides the set-ups, I believe the presentation of certain ideas was pretty flawed and didn't get across to the audience the way they were supposed to.
If they were rebel angels, they'd have to have some balls to stand up to Heaven. All rebel angels in the Marvel universe have some fighting ability...Uriel is very powerful; even the two rebel Angels Vraniel and Emmael toasted a powerful Lucifer with their abilities; Kazaan was ruthless and bloodthirsty.
Besides, if the point was to 'slow' Ghost Rider down...they failed. If the point of them was to showcase Ghost Rider's abilities, that failed too. So what was the point of them? Why even give them a backstory when these generic bad guys could have just been easily disposed of like Batman thugs without an afterthought?
The point is, there just wasn't enough action in the movie...there just wasn't enough screentime or memorable villains or fights, and worst of all, there just wasn't enough Ghost Rider onscreen.
I really don't buy that explanation and nobody else should either. Compared to the other lame deaths in the movie, you can tell they had no money left for action. He could have controlled not only "sand" but melt into any sort of rock, granite, gravel, whatever. Even without special effects, the elemental angel didn't even TRY to lay a punch or defense. Ghost Rider could have made the fight more cooler...he ended it quickly like he did the others.
Reason: They ran out of money!
Agreed. Human characters could have served this purpose just as easily I don't care if GR killed them or not. Save the CG $$ for a better last baddie fight.
I didn`t know you were on the production. You were the assitant producer weren`t you?
It has been stated by MSJ in the commentary that Sony told him not to use the rock one as a big villain coz of the sandman in sm3. You might say "He was bound to use that excuse to cover the truth!!!" But that doesn`t even make sense. MSJ enjoyed making GR and would prob like to make a sequel, why then would he slander the company he made the first film with then? He could easily have admittedf they didn`t have the budget and put a spin on it to still make the film look good. Lying and blaming sony would make no sense and would be an unlikely thing for him to do.
I didn`t know you were on the production. You were the assitant producer weren`t you?
It has been stated by MSJ in the commentary that Sony told him not to use the rock one as a big villain coz of the sandman in sm3. You might say "He was bound to use that excuse to cover the truth!!!" But that doesn`t even make sense. MSJ enjoyed making GR and would prob like to make a sequel, why then would he slander the company he made the first film with then? He could easily have admittedf they didn`t have the budget and put a spin on it to still make the film look good. Lying and blaming sony would make no sense and would be an unlikely thing for him to do.