Nightcrawler in the Apocalypse Movie

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  1. Super Jim

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    I wrote up a pretty extensive timeline summary as it pertains to an Apocalypse movie that is supposedly going to take place in the mid-1980's.

    This got me thinking about Nightcrawler, who allegedly will be in this movie.

    First, here are the approximate ages of possible Apocalypse movie characters, in say a 1985 timeline:

    Jean Grey = 15-ish (1985 was when Profesor X and Magneto first visited her)
    Scott Summers = 15-ish
    Storm = 15-ish
    Havok = 40-ish
    Mystique = early 50's (though her power keeps her young looking)
    Beast = 30-ish
    Prof. X = 53
    Magneto = mid-late 50's/maybe early 60's
    Toad = 30-ish
    Ink = 30-ish
    Gambit = 30-ish
    Wolverine = Doesn't really matter - doesn't age

    So, what we know from the comics is that Nightcrawler is the son of Mystique and Azazel. Also, Azazel was killed by Trask.

    Azazel died in 1963, giving less than 1 year for Mystique and him to, well you know...

    That would mean that baby Nightcrawler was born in 1963 or early 1964, making him around 22 years old in 1985, which would be perfect. (That made him around 40 in X-Men 2).

    So a possible cast for a 1985 movie would be:

    Professor Xavier = 53 years old
    Beast = 30-ish
    Gambit = 30-ish
    Nightcrawler = 22
    Jean Grey = 15-ish
    Scott Summers = 15-ish
    Storm = 15-ish


    Mystique = early 50's (though her power keeps her young looking)
    Magneto = mid-late 50's/maybe early 60's
    Toad = 30-ish
    Ink = 30-ish

    Wolverine = Doesn't really matter - doesn't age

    Now one thing that would be so great about Nightcrawler is being able to get into his backstory.

    Maybe seeing him in the circus. Maybe finding out about him being raised by Margali Szardos, a sorceress and Gypsy Queen. How cool would it be to see Professor X go to meet Kurt and see something happen that leads to an angry mob trying to attack Kurt. Prof. X freezes them and away we go. Maybe even get a little into the young love he had with Jardone (Amanda Sefton).

    Also, with Mystique and JLaw being so popular, what a great storyline for her. The whole concept of Mystique being with Azazel, Kurt being born the way he looks, the people finding out, her discarding her baby and Azazel giving Kurt to Margali. Also, Azazel being killed or captured could play into this.

    What an amazing story, especially if Nightcrawler figures it out, or the reveal becomes part of the story. Just imagine Mystique and Kurt fighting and Mystique dropping that bomb? Wow!

    Hope they get this right and can't wait to see!
     
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    I don't like to get too focused on characters' ages, but Havok was at least 18 in 1962 when First Class took place, so he'd be over 40 in 1985.
     
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    ^ Was he 18? I guess you're right. I got to the 30 in 1985 by guessing at his age in DAFP. He looked 18-ish to me there, but now that you point it out, you're absolutely correct.

    Personally I hope Havok is not in the movie since at this point I would rather not see Havok and Cyclops in the same scene, if you know what I mean.

    But what is great is how so many of the characters would be in the teens or early 20's. Ororo, Jean, Scott and Kurt, all together, in that age group, coupled with one or two others, and wow, Xavier's schools is going to be amazing!
     
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    @Super Jim
    You need much better math teacher.
    Jean was 12 in 1981. Havok was about 17 in 1962, Hank even older. Mystqiue is 2 years younger than Charles, who was 12 in 1944.
    How old are they in 1985?
    Do your homework!
     
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    ^ Ok, let me recalulate based on your input:

    Oh, let me first admit that some of my calculations were based on what I was guessing for an age when we saw them. For example, I guessed that Jean was 15 or so when Professor X and Mags went to visit her. I guess that Havok was around 18 years in Vietnam and didnt think about how old he was during First Class. Etc...

    Ok, I had Jean at 15-ish in 1985. You say she was 12 in 1981. Ok, higher math here... Carry the 1... And I guess that makes her...

    16 in 1985, right? So how am I not right on this one? I guess you actually agree with me since I put her at 15-ish (that "ish" means a lot and should definitely account for being off by 1 year)...

    Next I indicated Mystique's age as early 40's in 1985. I based that on the fact that she appeared to be around 18 during First Class. (18 in 1962, add 23 years to get to 1985, and I had her at 41). But you indicated that she was only 2 years younger than Charles. I guess I missed that when I saw First Class. She seemed more than just 2 years younger than Charles, but anyway, going with what you provided, that would make Mystique:

    51 in 1985, but as I indicated, that doesn't matter since I added "her power keeps her young looking"... (which means that JLAw can still play her and look the same)

    Next, I put Havok at 30-ish in 1985. You indicate that he was 17 in 1962. I was calculating his age based on him being 18 or so during DOFP, which was almost 10 years after First Class. But you're right on his one, that because he was 17 in 1962 during First Class that makes him almost a decade older than what I indicated. That puts him around:

    40 in 1985. Nice job! At the same time I indicated that I hope Havok isn't in the movie, so it wouldn't have mattered...

    Though now, seeing that he'd be 40 in 1985, I will say it would be interesting to make Havok Scott's Uncle, so that we could actually have a younger brother for Scott, who would go by the same codename as his Uncle... Which would make Havok possible for a future X-Factor movie.
     
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    Yeah,that would be great!

    How do we know Azazel died less than a year after first class,though?I only mean,I don't remember them giving a set date.Just that he'd been dead for some time.Which means he could've been with Raven 2 or 3 years.
     
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    Speaking of timelines,any idea how they'll attempt to age Mcavoy & Fassbender to look another 10 years older?Maybe Xavier will finally lose his hair by then.Eric might have some grey hair.
     
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    ^ I would love to see Charles losing his hair, or even bald in this one. McAvoy aint gonna be happy!

    Fassbender just needs a little gray mixed in. Maybe they could go with whitish hair, just like comic book Mags...

    As far as Azazel being dead...

    That information came from a viral marketing site associated with the movie release. Here is the information that pertains:

    "Partridge’s death incensed his supporters. This contributed to what Christopher S. Byrne, a retired Dallas Herald crime reporter, calls a “perfect storm of anti-Kennedy and unwitting anti-mutant sentiment” that saturated Dallas throughout that summer.

    Indeed, mutant historians now call 1963 America’s “Summer of Hate.” Several mutants across the country were killed that year, including two members of Lehnsherr’s Brotherhood of Mutants. Azazel and Tempest were slain by Project: WideAwake operatives in July. Records state the mutant duo ambushed the operatives."

    This is how I was able to determine that Mystique and Azazel were together in 1962 or 1963 and that Nightcrawler must have been born in either 1963 or 1964.
     
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    If he wasn't already cast as Thing in the F4 movie, I would have loved to see Jamie Bell in the role.
     
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    I want to see Nightcrawler make a comeback in these movies, but I just don't know if Apocalypse is the right movie.
     
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    The tricky thing about nightcrawler is having him turn up in a way that doesn't discredit the fact that the xmen first met him in x2.

    Of course they could just say that timeline no longer exists but it would be a shame to wipe out a perfectly good movie and I still consider it canon
     
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  12. hoy-small-fry

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    X2 is canon, in Timeline Prime. Nothing post-Origins is "canon" in the new timeline. It's a clean slate
     
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    ^ I agree. Now the truth is that we don't know what happened to Nightcrawler in, as hot-small-fry put it, Timeline Prime, between when he was born (assumedly to Mystique and Azazel) and when the X-Men met him in X2 (other than we know that Stryker captured and used him).

    Which means we have no idea where and what he was doing back in 1985, which means the storyline can be anything.

    Personally, I hope they show Xavier going around recruiting (similar to what we saw in First Class - but with more story to it). I hope that Nightcrawler was raised by a Gypsie Queen and that he is the star of a circus in Europe. I hope that he'll find himself in trouble where the people are coming after him because they believe that he did something that he didn't. And I hope that Xavier finds and helps him and ultimately brings him back to the mansion.

    Further, I truly hope they get, at least a little, into his relationship to Mystique. What a great storyline for both Mystique (JLaw) and Nightcrawler!
     
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    Easy question:

    Would people like to see Xavier find Nightcrawler working at a circus?
     
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    But X2 is no longer relevant to the new timeline that was created with DOFP. With Jean alive at the end that means at least X2 and X3 never happened.

    So they can introduce Nightcrawler in Apocalypse and it wouldn't contradict a single thing.
     
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    ^ Agreed. The fact that in the original timeline Nightcrawler was found as an uber-religious character at the church is now retconned. It would possibly make more sense for Professor Xavier to go out and find Nightcrawler when he was much younger, prior to him getting all those tatoos and being at the church.

    That's why I'm interested in the whole European Gypsy Circus thing. Having him be a main highwire attraction in a traveling circus has a lot of appeal for me. Having him possible forced to use his powers to save someone (Amanda Sefton), thus exposing who and what he is, would be amazing. And having Professor Xavier show up at the right time to prevent the crowd from attacking him, so that he can be brought to the school around the same time a Jean, Ororo and Scott makes a lot of sense. Yes, he'd be a few years older than Scott and Jean and Ororo; but only a couple, which means very little. Him being 20 while they are 17, 15 and 14 wouldn't be that bad!

    I just love the idea of getting into Mystique and Nightcrawler's relationship in this next one!!!!!
     
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    Erik with son, Raven with son, that will be interesting.
     
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    It would be interesting to have Quicksilver at the school (let's see, he'd be around 30 years old or so) and have Professor X possibly read his mind (or his mother's somehow) in order to determine that Magneto is his father.

    Maybe have a scene where Magneto (if he's in the movie) about to kill Quicksilver, to which Charles could indicate "Erik, he's your son!"...

    Or if this doesn't work for Erik, then switch it to Mystique and Nightcrawler...
     
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    I know it's alternate timelines but I don't think that means everything has to be the total opposite of what has been in previous films, just not everything happened in the same way...... I'm not buying night crawler in the 80s in my opinion."...
     
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    I'm buying it, Mystique and Magneto does definitely different things than in old timeline.
    They're not working together this time as it was in old timeline, Mystique can met Nightcrawler earlier.
     
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    I don't want any teenage mutants. Teenage = angst = roy from Arrow. UGH.
     
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    Them being teens doesn't automatically mean angst and there's nothing wrong with them having real emotion about their positions as mutants in the world. Especially as they grow into adulthood.

    The idea that teen characters aren't worth exploring because they are too angsty is ridiculous. When written correctly (see Hunger Games, The Fault in Our Stars etc.) angst and emotion amongst younger characters can be just as dark, compelling and gripping as older ones.

    It's also automatically relatable to just about everyone because we've all either gone through or are going through it right now.
     
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    Yeah of course, that would be great :)
     
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    I think Nightcrawler works in the 80's in the prime timeline Charles was probably depressed a lot longer i think him talking to himself as a old man will have maybe made him take a stronger initiative on recruiting his X-Men. Dig a little deeper use cerebro to track down mutants within a further radius to join the X-Men.
     
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    Charles should be bald in the next one. Erik should have grey hair a bit longer. Age Hoult maybe give him some greys and some good makeup effects to age him shouldnt be too hard look at Dicaprio in J.Edger and how they aged Ewan McGregor in Big Fish.
     
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