No reboots, but a more faithful sequel titled: The Road to Redemption

Cain Estrell

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While the first one wasn’t exactly what I’d call “the greatest GR movie of all time”, there was one thing good about it which I believe would fit a sequel really well: the theme about “redemption”. Here’s a little script I made of how I want GR 2 to look like- titled “Ghost Rider 2: The Road to Redemption”. I based my plot mainly on the classic 70’s arc comic legend Tony Isabella created (with an added twist) and a slight reference from the new comic (vol.5, issue 5). Of course, I made it with GR having the “modern Ketch look” but rest assured DK, purists- there’s NO plot taken from his comic. Read on:

The setting goes like this: Johnny Blaze, now the Ghost Rider, is having trouble adjusting to his new “life”. While he vowed to Mephisto that he would use his own curse against the latter- he forgot one important detail: Mephisto owns him. Defy as he wishes, as long as the contract remains strong, Mephisto can manipulate him to do his bidding anytime, any day he wishes. On one fateful night, Mephisto orders Johnny to once again use his powers to kill a person whose soul he wants in hell- this time, a poor petty crook who only steals to support his family. Protest as he wants, Johnny has no choice: he transforms into the Rider & could only watch in horror as the demonic being kills the poor man in cold blood, right in front of his eyes. After this, Mephisto appears & mocks Johnny as he transforms back to his old self: “You cannot defy me. As long as we have a contract, your soul is mine”.

Johnny realizes this fact. In despair, he rides way on his chopper as we hear Mephisto’s cruel laughter echoing in the distance. The words keep echoing in JB’s head as he rides away: “Your soul is mine, your soul is mine”. He starts to wonder if it was even the right decision to keep his curse to begin with. So sad was he that he doesn’t even realize that he’s actually headed to where it all started- the Quentin Carnival. Yes, Johnny stumbled back to his old home. BUT WHAT A SURPRISE awaited him! The carnival was in ruins- long since abandoned & left at the mercy of the cruel earth. Johnny gets out of his bike and begins to walk. As he examines the pitiful site, he’s reminded of his childhood- of his father. He observes & laments on as he continues to recall his own past- the mistakes he committed, & the day he met his "downfall". He looks up to the sky as rain begins to pour down from above (adding a dramatic effect to this sorrowful scene) transforming into the blue-flamed Rider as he roars something like: "WHAAAT HAVE I DOOOOOONE?!!" As he does so, a mysterious figure starts slowly approaching him from behind the shadows...

Alarmed, GR flares up, turns his back & sees a tall, long-haired man coming towards him. At first, he grows weary, brandishing his chain as a gesture of self-defense. However, upon closer inspection, he sees that the man has a very kind face. Somehow, he immediately feels assured that this man bears no ill intentions against him, whatsoever. Letting his guard down, GR fades away & Johnny’s face returns. The man smiles at him and talks: “Johnny, my son, what seems to be troubling you?” Shocked at how the man knows his name even though they’ve never met before, JB exclaims: “WHO ARE YOU?!”


The man simply replies, “A friend”. Then, calming down, JB & the man have a long conversation. The “friend” tells JB that even though his decisions may have caused his own damnation, doesn’t mean that there was no hope for redemption. “Know that you’re not alone in this”, says the man. Those words seem to give Johnny new hope as he closes his eyes to reflect on them. When he opens them again to thank his new ‘friend’, much to his amazement, the friend has VANISHED.

Elsewhere, news have reported that a psychotic criminal called “the Orb” is running loose in town with his biker gang. Causing havoc wherever he goes, the Orb is, in fact, none other than Barton Blaze’s (JB’s father) old friend & circus partner, Drake Shannon! When Johnny was still young, both Drake & his father had run the circus, together. However, Shannon proved to be a selfish crook & wanted the entire circus all his own. He challenged Barton to a lengthy race to settle who gets to own everything- and LOST, getting his face scrambled in the process thanks to his own attempt at cheating (he tried swaying Blaze to fall off his bike, but ended up falling HIMSELF, instead). Now, many years later, a horribly-disfigured Drake returns (wearing a special helmet to hide his face) with an all-new vengeance: To kill the son of his former enemy!

Later, Johnny encounters Orb & the two engage battle. Orb signals his men to attack JB all at once, but JB wipes them all out by transforming into the Ghost Rider. Orb, in fear, makes his escape but promises to return. Mephisto, who watched the entire scene, appears to Orb and gives him an offer to torment Johnny. “I want you to teach my little puppet a lesson about obedience- then you can have him when I’m done with him”. Orb despicably agrees, and, receiving a special demonic suit that gives him hellish powers of his own, Orb sets out to find Johnny. He kidnaps Roxanne in the process (by hypnotizing her) as means of luring him into a trap. He sends a strong message: “I’ll wait for you at the place your old man had stolen from me. If you wanna see yer girl in one piece, come this midnight! I’ll be waitin!”

Furious, JB once again returns to the Quentin Carnival. He finds Orb there, with a captive Roxanne (still under hypnosis). Orb challenges Johnny to a fight, showing off his new powers: “Not even that flamin’ head of yers can save ya now, punk!” He also reveals to Johnny the shocking truth that he was behind Barton Blaze’s death all along! Mephisto may have instigated it, but it was Orb- then disguised as a spectator, sneaked into Barton’s workshop & toyed with his bike- causing it to malfunction as the latter made his risky stunt- killing him.

Enraged by this news, JB transforms into GR and he & the Orb start their long, final battle. Orb holds his own thanks to the special powers of the suit Mephisto gave him, but over time, he gradually tires, while GR remains strong (as everyone knows, GR cannot tire). In the end- not even the suit is enough to stop the brute strength of the Ghost Rider. GR finally manages to rip the suit to shreds with his flaming chains (draining it of its powers), and then performs a fiery somersault kick to Orb’s face- sending the latter flying & crashing to his bike, cracking his helm in the process. Mocking Orb, GR growls, “IT’S OVER. Vengeance shall be served”.

Orb, realizing he’s defeated, scrambles onto his bike and starts making his getaway- with a vengeful GR in HOT pursuit (literally). Knowing Roxanne was safe (with his helm cracked, Orb’s hypnosis has weakened & she was now back to her old self); he leaves her for now and starts chasing down Orb on his Hellcycle. The two fire at each other with their guns, with the more accurate-aimed Orb eventually shooting GR’s shotgun off his hand. Taunting with glee, Orb screams, “You’ll never get me!” GR speeds up, determined to catch Orb. As he gets closer & closer, GR unlatches his long, powerful chain & starts swinging it- aimed at Orb: With one mighty pull, he then lassos Orb straight off his bike! (OUCH! That's gotta hurt! :cmad:) Orb’s bike crashes, and the villain himself is now left at the mercy of the Ghost Rider.

With all his hate, GR starts pounding Orb’s head with his spiky-gloved fists, nonstop- smashing the helm in the process to reveal Orb for the pathetic wretch that he is. Seeing Orb’s pitiful state, GR hesitates (transforming back into JB). For a short moment, the very sight of Orb’s face makes Johnny consider showing mercy… But then, Mephisto comes & reminds Johnny of what Orb had done to his father- and JB’s hatred returns! Now, angrier than ever, Johnny transforms again & starts punching Orb’s bare face, drawing blood! (You can literally hear Drake Shannon’s faint cry for mercy as JB’s relentless blows start to kill him). Throughout all this, Mephisto observes with an evil smile: He’s succeeding in luring Johnny’s soul to evil.

Before he could deliver the final blow, however, Johnny’s hand is stopped by a familiar voice: it was the ‘friend’ he met earlier. The man asks Johnny “Is this what you truly want? Do you want to be his slave, forever?” Those words serve as JB’s wake-up call. Looking at his own bloodied gloves- Johnny gasps in horror as he realizes what he is about to let himself become- a monster! Gathering enough willpower, JB silences the Ghost Rider & regains control, sparing Orb’s life. Mephisto’s plans have failed! (Speaking of Mephisto, he seems to be afraid of “the mysterious friend” for some reason. He stands there looking all pale at the very sight of the man.)

Letting go of his hold on Orb, Johnny turns to thank ‘the friend’. Mephisto screams at the man “Stay out of this! He’s mine! He had his chance to be free, & he ruined it! Now he has to pay for all eternity!” And he starts coming toward Johnny. He flashes out the contract from hell & says “See this? As long as you’re blood is in it, you cannot be free” and he orders his “puppet” to come out: GR emerges despite JB’s attempts to hold back- proving that Mephisto was still in control. BUT, just then, the mystery man says “Foul demon! You shall not harm this man, anymore. I thereby release your hold on him.” And with a point of his finger, the man ignites the contract from Mephisto’s hand, burning it to ashes. With a demonic yell, Mephisto vows to have his revenge, and then vanishes.

Now, almost dawn, & with the two of them alone on the open road (with an unconscious Orb still lying around) Johnny thanks the man for all his help, then once again asks the question: “Who are you? Why did you help me?” The man simply responds “I’ve always watched over you. I would never leave you alone.” He touches Johnny’s forehead (the same manner Mephisto cursed him in the first film), and Johnny starts feeling a burning heat run all over his body. This time, however, instead of feeling intense pain, JB feels a refreshing, soothing warmth. The man, smiling kindly, disappears in a cloud of light. Johnny- still wondering who the man was- simply looks up & says, “Thank you, my friend.” Suddenly, he realizes that he can now transform into the Ghost Rider at will, in broad daylight, to boot. The Ghost Rider’s powers are now purified- with JB’s personality now in complete control. He laughs happily at this realization, and, turning back his attention on Orb- picks up the villain’s still-unconscious body, summons the Hellcycle, and finally rides off into the open road as the sun begins to shine- saying the final line for the movie “It’s my road to redemption” (presumably to go back for Roxanne and deliver Orb to the authorities).

This concludes Part 2 (The ending theme features the Johnny Cash version of “Ghost Riders in the Sky”), opening the plot for part 3, where a now-purified GR, free of Mephisto’s influence, is set to fight his true arch-enemy in one final, ultimate showdown to the death…. The End.
 
Great story, it seems like it came from a true sequel in itself!

Its not the Spirit of Vengeance (Howard Mackie's run) I grew up reading, but it seems more logical if it followed the helm of the original.

You have a real talent for writing and imagination!
 
Great story, it seems like it came from a true sequel in itself!

Its not the Spirit of Vengeance (Howard Mackie's run) I grew up reading, but it seems more logical if it followed the helm of the original.

You have a real talent for writing and imagination!

Well, I am an aspiring writer so I guess that's only logical, LOL:woot: But thank you for that nice compliment, Midnyte Sun. I really appreciate it :yay:.

Nah, I'm not THAT talented.....yet. Besides like I said, most of the plot were based on that classic story arc that was supposed to have Johnny be converted into Christianity (the part where Orb get's bloodied to a pulp was taken from vol. 1 issue 15). Tony Isabella had originally planned that "the friend" be made the REAL deal! Unfortunately, for some despicable reason, Marvel changed the whole concept due to some editor (most likely that ever-controversial "Jim Shooter"- or whatever his name was) taking "personal offense" (the guy seems to hold a grudge against Jesus' existence, to boot! Can you believe that?!). *Sigh* I always thought it would be cool to see JB FINALLY in full control of the Rider inside him....
 
That was pretty good, has loads of potential. I liked the carnival bit and would love to see an updated orb. Also like the way it fit into the original comics with Blaze eventually being able to transform at will anytime, at least initially. Your script leaves room for the third movie :woot: to be as much about Blazes struggle to control Zarathos then his struggle with Mephisto himself.

I always thought it was cool the way that the only reason GR wasn't laying waste to everything in his path (good or evil) was because, even when Zarathos was largley in control, he was compelled by Blazes conscience to only punish the guilty, i.e. "spirit of vengeance". Just as he retained Blazes riding skills.

If you come up with anymore, feel free to post 'em :ghost:
 
That was pretty good, has loads of potential. I liked the carnival bit and would love to see an updated orb. Also like the way it fit into the original comics with Blaze eventually being able to transform at will anytime, at least initially. Your script leaves room for the third movie :woot: to be as much about Blazes struggle to control Zarathos then his struggle with Mephisto himself.

I always thought it was cool the way that the only reason GR wasn't laying waste to everything in his path (good or evil) was because, even when Zarathos was largley in control, he was compelled by Blazes conscience to only punish the guilty, i.e. "spirit of vengeance". Just as he retained Blazes riding skills.
If you come up with anymore, feel free to post 'em :ghost:

Thanks man. I will! :woot:

As for new ideas, I'm still currently waiting for that "major impact" to hit the new comic. I wanna write a script about Johnny's "undead" state, next.

I wish for more future sequels to come- with ideas based more on the current series. So far, Daniel Way's really impressing me :yay:! Though I admit, at first, I disliked the way he keeps portraying Johnny as a "reckless idiot" :csad:. Seems so different from the old JB I knew....
 
Oh yes, I remember that reference to Jesus that was pulled. But wouldn't it be more fitting if it was Saint Michael instead? Since references to that were made a few times in the Ghost Rider movie.

The thing is if they put that reference about Jesus or Saint Michael or whoever it can open a whole big pandora's box. The Christians will hate it for the sacriligious depictions of their angels or saviors and the hardcore fans will hate it for being too preachy.
 
Oh yes, I remember that reference to Jesus that was pulled. But wouldn't it be more fitting if it was Saint Michael instead? Since references to that were made a few times in the Ghost Rider movie.

The thing is if they put that reference about Jesus or Saint Michael or whoever it can open a whole big pandora's box. The Christians will hate it for the sacriligious depictions of their angels or saviors and the hardcore fans will hate it for being too preachy.


*Sigh* I know :csad:, that's why I didn't show it "explicitly". I just wrote about a mysterious "holy man" who may or may not be Jesus (depends on who people think). As for opening a "pandora's box", I'm not really worried about pissing off Christians with such depictions. Why? Cause I AM ONE! And I'm not a single bit offended! Nor is my wife, my daugther, and my entire family of devoted Christians, for that matter! If anything, I'll be honored if they'd depict our Lord in film as a positive figure, just for once.

Personally, I don't really get the need for all this "censorship" about Jesus. I mean, TV shows like "the Simpsons" or "Mad TV" keep mocking Him all the time, and yet nobody seems to mind?! While a good movie that actually depicts Him doing what He does best is already considered controversial?!! :huh: Man, something's REALLY wrong with the country, these days...........

P.S. Forget the hardcore guys. There's just NO satisfying them. Knowing how they are, they'll ALWAYS find something to complain about- from the story down to the smallest of details, including the simple fact that GR wears shoes in the movies instead of boots! Sheeeesh.....
 
WOW I AM DULY IMPRESSED

A genuine Blaze villain, and a genuine reference to Blaze's comic in the Jesus-style friend!!!!

I LIKE :woot::woot::woot:

Good Job Mr. Estrell:cwink:
 
Well, you're an aspiring writer so I'm sure you know better than I, but my one complaint with your idea is that the Jesus-figure is a bit of a deus ex machina. Saving Johnny rather than Johnny saving himself.

But other than that, it's great stuff.
 
Well, you're an aspiring writer so I'm sure you know better than I, but my one complaint with your idea is that the Jesus-figure is a bit of a deus ex machina. Saving Johnny rather than Johnny saving himself.

But other than that, it's great stuff.

Thank you for the feedback. :yay: Yes, I understand. I know there's still flaws with my work, so I'm still coming up with better ideas. Perhaps sooner or later I'll put another script-- this time darker and revolving more on Johnny's damnation (this one inspired by the revelation of his death on issue #7).

However, the reason that I portrayed Johnny as someone to be "saved"-- is out of my sympathy for him & his hard struggles. There's only so much one man can do to help himself, and JB's fight against the Devil is, in a realistic sense, not a feat accomplishable, alone-- let alone by a mere mortal. As I said earlier, I'm a Christian; therefore I have faith in the Lord that-- at times when we are in the brink of desperation (or falling from the path of goodness), we can always count on Him to give us a helping hand. This is a great moral lesson I added to give the script more "humanity".

As you may have observed, I portrayed Johnny as a man nearing the brink of desperation. Again, basing it in a realistic sense, he needed help to get his spirits back. People suffering desperation need others' support, for one cannot rise through that state, alone. I can say this because I've also studied 'Human Psychology' and 'Ethics' in order to hone my skills better as a writer. To be a great writer, you have to know how to portray characters in such believable ways people can relate to; as if they're real human beings- in terms of morality, strengths, weaknesses, and most importantly: limitations.

Yes, Johnny is still human (for now, at least :cwink:). He may be powerful, he may be capable of supernatural feats- but deep down inside, he's still a human being. He still has his limits, and a fight versus a being as strong as the Devil himself, is definitely a task far too much for him to handle. Technically, Mephisto was also his "master", his manipulator, and "creator"- if you will. "We can only rebel against our creator- but we can never match His power", a quote from the Bible. Okay, so Mephisto isn't God, but fact is: he was Ghost Rider's maker! Therefore it's only logical that GR cannot defeat the one being whom he got his powers from, in the first place! I think it's erroneous that Mephisto would create something more powerful than him- let alone capable of killing him. He's not dumb; there's no chance he'd give GR THAT much "blessing".

And so this is where God comes in; the only other being more powerful than the devil- and the ONLY one who can give Johnny the power to destroy him. That's why I made it a necessity for Jesus to do the honors of saving JB's soul. It makes more sense than Johnny being able to accomplish all the task, himself.

Oh, DEAR ME! :wow: I've said TOO MUCH, haven't I? LOL :woot: Sorry for the long explanation (guess I got carried away...), but I hope that sums up why I did what I did. Again, I know I could've done better, but at this time, I'm only in the "aspiring level" (Yep, currently at MY limits, too! HAHA! :oldrazz:). But I know I can still improve, someday. It's not like I'm trying to get through the same ordeals JB does, after all. Hehe....
 
Okay, so Mephisto isn't God, but fact is: he was Ghost Rider's maker!

Actually the history of Zarathos was never explored (which is something they should've done instead of creating a "new" GR back in the 90's, and I hope they finally do now). It is by no means certain, in fact I think unlikely that satan/lucifer/devil/mephisto actually created Zarathos. True Z was defeated by satan and then forced to be used as his pawn, but created by....I don't think so...though its possible :yay:
 
Actually the history of Zarathos was never explored (which is something they should've done instead of creating a "new" GR back in the 90's, and I hope they finally do now). It is by no means certain, in fact I think unlikely that satan/lucifer/devil/mephisto actually created Zarathos. True Z was defeated by satan and then forced to be used as his pawn, but created by....I don't think so...though its possible :yay:

Sure they were. Ghost Rider #77 Vol. 1 and Ghost Rider #43 Vol. 2.
 
Sure they were. Ghost Rider #77 Vol. 1 and Ghost Rider #43 Vol. 2.

I'll have to go back and look @#43v2, but #77 just says they revived the stone statue of zarathos, no mention of him being created by anyone. As far as I know thats as far as his history goes back, is the stone statue the tribe found.
I believe v2 mentions something about the sofv at odds with z but I believe it was unclear as to wether that was before or after the statue thingy. Either way, no mention of how he initially came to be created.....to my recollection.
 
I'll have to go back and look @#43v2, but #77 just says they revived the stone statue of zarathos, no mention of him being created by anyone. As far as I know thats as far as his history goes back, is the stone statue the tribe found.
I believe v2 mentions something about the sofv at odds with z but I believe it was unclear as to wether that was before or after the statue thingy. Either way, no mention of how he initially came to be created.....to my recollection.

Good point. I'm pretty sure that his story is the same as Mephisto's though; he was just...there.
 
Actually the history of Zarathos was never explored (which is something they should've done instead of creating a "new" GR back in the 90's, and I hope they finally do now). It is by no means certain, in fact I think unlikely that satan/lucifer/devil/mephisto actually created Zarathos. True Z was defeated by satan and then forced to be used as his pawn, but created by....I don't think so...though its possible :yay:

LOL! :woot: I knew I was gonna get an answer like this sooner or later, but I'm actually referring to the movie version (& novel version) of Ghost Rider-- not the comic's Zarathos. According to the novelization of the movie, the "Spirit of Vengeance" inside JB is simply some kind of "fire-elemental" creature. There was no mention of it being Zarathos or even Kale. That's why I assumed that it was simply a creature Mephisto made out of his dimension: from hellfire. My theory is the movie/novel Mephisto simply bonded an easily-controllable "slave" to JB, not a demon that could possibly rival his own powers.

BUT, who knows? It may be possible that the movie's GR IS old Zarathos! And if Mephs is truly the Lord of Hell then everyone in it should be his creation: including Z, no less. However, like Doom has already mentioned, earlier-- Zarathos history at its current state suggests that he was simply....there. Probably the same as Mephs in origin....

AND THEN here comes another problem: There's now a "REAL" Satan on the loose-- which could all mean that either the guy we're currently looking at is a fraud (an imposter Mephs created to serve only as GR's "distraction" while he takes more important "businesses"), or that "Satan's" the TRUE Lord of Hell and that Mephs was simply a high-ranking arch demon, all along!

Ahhh! So many theories! Man, I really can't wait to hear what "Revelations" have to say. All this unexplained stuff's been bugging my head for the last 20 years- and I'm dying to know an answer soon! *Sigh*......
 
Without saying too much I'm digging this approach. Wish the studios were this capable when it came down to the properties.
 
However, like Doom has already mentioned, earlier-- Zarathos history at its current state suggests that he was simply....there. Probably the same as Mephs in origin....

Yep, thats my assumption as well. I figure since he (in his original and most powerful form) was a rival to Mephisto and his power was comparable to Meph's that they're origins were similar...whatever those origins might be.

I'm looking forward to revelations as well, I just hope they're cool revelations and not tripe
 
Yep, thats my assumption as well. I figure since he (in his original and most powerful form) was a rival to Mephisto and his power was comparable to Meph's that they're origins were similar...whatever those origins might be.

I'm looking forward to revelations as well, I just hope they're cool revelations and not tripe

Second that one.
 

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