The Dark Knight Rises Nolan outlining Batman 3

[kid dropper]

no i was referring to ledger with that remark, he;d never tackled creepy wierdo territory.

 

[kid dropper]

and on the record i very much care for nicholsons joker, as i said jack being jack happens to be pretty well in line with the joker. i really love the television address towards the end, where hes sitting by the fire, trying to look wholesome and incriminate batman as the real freak. classic, hilarious joker stuff. " the big dookaroo, mano y mano"

 

[StorminNorman]

Whats up Norman?! Good to see you.

I have to disagree with you on this though. First of all, going into BB3 with the expectation of matching or outgrossing TDK is a recipe for disaster.

I agree to a certain extent, but they should aim at matching TDK on quality. My concern is less about aiming for TDK's box office and more about critical reception and hype.

By no means would BB3 be considered inferior to TDK if it only grossed $400 domestically for example. The key is to make sure that its stays true to the movies that proceeded it by becoming critically acclaimed. That, IMO, will ensure a strong box office and Nolan & Co. should not deviate from the casting style that they did in the last two movies. Don't necessarily go with box office stars but with critically acclaimed actors and actresses.

Johnny Depp just happens to bring both of these. I wouldn't, for example, suggest Will Smith (though I think he is a great actor) or Shia Labeouf to play a role in this film simply because they mean instant $$$. They wouldn't fit here. Depp brings credibility to the role that no actor can bring - he would be the biggest, most respected actor to accept a role like this since...Jack.

Though I know it would never happen, I would love to see Daniel Day Lewis cast as Riddler or Black Mask, or whoever they decide the main villian would be.

DDL would be a wonderful pick and of the exact same caliber as Johnny Depp. The two are interchangeable as far as best fit, IMO.

I cannot think of an actress to play Catwoman if they decided to use the character but I wouldn't be disappointed if they used Naomi Watts.

Sadly I have not seen enough of Watts. The only movie I remember her in is King Kong.

People like Depp and Jolie have too much baggage for my taste, at least for a Batman film though there is no argument on my part that they are outstanding actors. It just screams Batman Forever to me, even though I know in Nolan's hands, this wouldn't be an issue.

I don't understand the baggage argument when TDK had the actor with the greatest amount of baggage of all time: Heath Ledger. Sure, when he filmed his baggage level was not outstanding (Brokeback Mountain with the intolerant crowd) but after his death Ledger was TDK. And it was successful. And the film was great. And the film made every movie reviewing cream their pants. And the film is going to win awards. Baggage is not a bad thing here, necessarily.

 

[raybia]

I agree to a certain extent, but they should aim at matching TDK on quality. My concern is less about aiming for TDK's box office and more about critical reception and hype.



Johnny Depp just happens to bring both of these. I wouldn't, for example, suggest Will Smith (though I think he is a great actor) or Shia Labeouf to play a role in this film simply because they mean instant $$$. They wouldn't fit here. Depp brings credibility to the role that no actor can bring - he would be the biggest, most respected actor to accept a role like this since...Jack.



DDL would be a wonderful pick and of the exact same caliber as Johnny Depp. The two are interchangeable as far as best fit, IMO.



Sadly I have not seen enough of Watts. The only movie I remember her in is King Kong.



I don't understand the baggage argument when TDK had the actor with the greatest amount of baggage of all time: Heath Ledger. Sure, when he filmed his baggage level was not outstanding (Brokeback Mountain with the intolerant crowd) but after his death Ledger was TDK. And it was successful. And the film was great. And the film made every movie reviewing cream their pants. And the film is going to win awards. Baggage is not a bad thing here, necessarily.

Depp has much much more commercial success than Ledger and has also been a Hollywood commodity for much longer too. He is already a Hollywood legend and his stardom is so huge that it could overshadow the whole movie if he was used. Of course the magic word is "Could."

In Nolan's hands, I'm sure my fears would not be realized. If picked I have to admit to being excited to see how Nolan would utilize him. I'm just saying Depp wouldn't be my first choice for the said reasons I listed.

 

[StorminNorman]

But, again, The Dark Knight was completely overshadowed by Ledger and I think it worked out okay.

 

[Christmas]

Norman, what do you see in Depp that has you excited about him? Roughly, how do you envision that character panning out (what roles has he played would be similar etc...)?

 

[raybia]

But, again, The Dark Knight was completely overshadowed by Ledger and I think it worked out okay.

Yes it was but not by Ledger's starpower but only by his performance. Thats ok in my book.

 

[StorminNorman]

Norman, what do you see in Depp that has you excited about him? Roughly, how do you envision that character panning out (what roles has he played would be similar etc...)?

Depp is an amazing actor that can create and then truly embody some wonderful characters.

As far as how I see Riddler playing out, I am not sure. For anyone familiar with the anime Death Note I see him similar to L.

Yes it was but not by Ledger's starpower but only by his performance. Thats ok in my book.

No, it was overshadowed by Ledger's death.

 

[Christmas]

I agree with all that, he's got the chops and gravitas to put in a damn good performance, and pull down some huge B.O. #'s.

Before Bale was cast after Nolan was chosen to direct batman begins, he was a fan favorite for a long time right?

I initially thought Nolan would ignore the popular internet choice for Depp because it would be a weird thing for him to kowtow to studio/entertainment news industry/fan sentiment but maybe he fits exactly right.

 

[The Batman]

Stormin is right...people are assuming alot of things about the way nolan does things, and its not true. Eckhart for example was essentially cast as two face because he had played characters similar to him before...nolan has flat out stated this.

People can complain about depp all they like, but he's one of the few actors who could put on a great performance that would be different from ledger's.

 

[Melkay]

Eckhart for example was essentially cast as two face because he had played characters similar to him before...nolan has flat out stated this.

Noooo.... Eckhart was cast because he had played characters like HARVEY DENT before.
Two-Face... whole diffferent animal.

 

[StorminNorman]

Eckhart's played villains before.

 

[Melkay]

Of course, cuz'
1 villain = another villain ...right?

That's exactly why we want Depp.... except that Depp fans have never realized that Depp has never played a character with total lack of empathy. Not even in Sweeney Todd, where he was basically the victimized nice guy.

What? That Depp can play quirky and interesting? Of course he can! And most other great talents in Hollywood as well. So?
It's time people start idealizing casting choices not because they like the actor but because he's the the best possible actor for the character.

 

[StorminNorman]

Name an actor who is a better than Johnny Depp right now.

 

[The Batman]

Noooo.... Eckhart was cast because he had played characters like HARVEY DENT before.
Two-Face... whole diffferent animal.

Nice try, but no...my point still stands

 

[The Batman]

Of course, cuz'
1 villain = another villain ...right?

That's exactly why we want Depp.... except that Depp fans have never realized that Depp has never played a character with total lack of empathy. Not even in Sweeney Todd, where he was basically the victimized nice guy.

What? That Depp can play quirky and interesting? Of course he can! And most other great talents in Hollywood as well. So?
It's time people start idealizing casting choices not because they like the actor but because he's the the best possible actor for the character.

because you already know that thats exactly what would happen if depp played a batman villain

i bet you also thought that ledger wouldnt be able to play joker because ledger's only played relatively sane characters before

 

[Melkay]

I was always pro-Ledger. And sane characters?

In "10 Things I Hate About You" he was introduced as 'hardly sane', and probably have 'eaten a duck's heart'.
In "Monsters Ball" he was tormented and killed himself in front of his dad.
In "Brokeback Mountain" he was even MORE tormented.
He was completely fearless in "Casanova".
In "The Brother's Grimm" he was the quirkiest of the two brothers.
In "A Knight's Tale", everybody was crazy.

And in "Ned Kelly" he had to be beaten down to punchs all the time, and he wore a f***ng knight's armour, riding a horse, in the middle of the Australian desert!!

Relatively sane? I don't think so.


I'm not saying Depp could be a great Riddler, but the support its TOO massive... and based on what? Faith on his acting skills? What makes unanimously the best choice for the Riddler out there? Why is he the first choice in SO MANY peoples list?

I'll let you take three (3) - (and they should be five) - Depp roles in other movies... three... and use them to justify why Depp is the best choice for the Riddler.

Please, do that.

 

[StorminNorman]

1. In Fear and Loathing Depp played a character thirsting for knowledge and insight
2. His Willy Wonka displayed a disturbing detachment from reality, as well as a zany insanity oh so appealing for the Riddler.
3. He was a detective in From Hell

 

[theJ0K3R]

Melkay, to follow up on Ledger movies, have you seen "Candy"? One of his best in my opinion. Another dark character.

 

[raybia]

Depp is an amazing actor that can create and then truly embody some wonderful characters.

As far as how I see Riddler playing out, I am not sure. For anyone familiar with the anime Death Note I see him similar to L.



No, it was overshadowed by Ledger's death.

TDK was overshadowed by Ledger's death? Maybe up until the premiere of the movie but then it was overshadowed by his performance. Even his death doesn't overshadow his undeniable performance.

 

[raybia]

1. In Fear and Loathing Depp played a character thirsting for knowledge and insight
2. His Willy Wonka displayed a disturbing detachment from reality, as well as a zany insanity oh so appealing for the Riddler.
3. He was a detective in From Hell

Now you are scaring me. The last thing I want to see in a Nolan Batman movie is a zany insanity portrayal by the Riddler.

 

[GlasgowBat]

Yeah, not hoping for a "zany" anything in a third film, thank you.

 

[REDophile]

I think Nolan has done more to plan the third installment than he lets on. David S. Goyer said a few months ago that they have talked about ideas for it. Plus there are rumors around here about significant WB/DC announcements in January. The Riddler, with or without Johnny Depp, would be their best bet at a villain to come anywhere near Ledger's Joker.

 

[Yurka]

I think Nolan has done more to plan the third installment than he lets on. David S. Goyer said a few months ago that they have talked about ideas for it. Plus there are rumors around here about significant WB/DC announcements in January. The Riddler, with or without Johnny Depp, would be their best bet at a villain to come anywhere near Ledger's Joker.

In my opinion I dont think we'd need to see the Riddler, I believe the only villain to possibly be on the Ledger-Joker level is Freeze, if done right. I want to see a serious take on Freeze.

 

[StorminNorman]

Now you are scaring me. The last thing I want to see in a Nolan Batman movie is a zany insanity portrayal by the Riddler.

Zany insanity is perhaps the wrong choice of words - but there must be a certain...eccentricity to the character.

TDK was overshadowed by Ledger's death? Maybe up until the premiere of the movie but then it was overshadowed by his performance. Even his death doesn't overshadow his undeniable performance.

No, every review of The Dark Knight had something about this being the last performance of Ledger, the stories about The Dark Knight started about Ledger's death and then became about the reviews and the Box Office numbers. Ledgers Death did overshadow The Dark Knight, the movie.