The Dark Knight Rises Nolan's Batman in the JLA?

[jmc]

You think WB is just going to sit around and let Marvel do their thing with no rebuttal?

A billion dollar Batman movie is all the rebuttal WB needed, I'm doubtful WB gives a damn what Marvel are doing. Besides, what Marvel is doing with the whole single universe thing is not a proven success, any moron at DC Entertainment saying otherwise to the big bosses needs his head examined.

 

[FaT_tONle]

A billion dollar Batman movie is all the rebuttal WB needed, I'm doubtful WB gives a damn what Marvel are doing. Besides, what Marvel is doing with the whole single universe thing is not a proven success, any moron at DC Entertainment saying otherwise to the big bosses needs his head examined.

If WB doesn't give a damn, we wouldn't constantly be hearing reports that WB is planning a JLA movie in a similar vein. The execs have all said they'd like to eventually do a JLA movie, possibly within the same universes. It is Nolan that doesn't appear to see them eye to eye, but he ain't directing the next Superman movie. WB can do whatever they want with Batman after BB3 and I doubt they are just going to abandon Nolan's universe.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Oh please yes! Oh please yes!!!
GO DC! SHOW THOSE MARVEL GUYS WHAT YOU'RE MADE OF!!

Hell Nolan is involved with Superman, there are plenty of ways to think up connections and how they would work with each other. Who better to do it than Nolan.

Batman becomes involved with Superman and in essence the JLA because he doesn't trust them, and tries to find out ways to defeat them if necessary out of sheer paranoia. Later he begins to respect them and becomes part of the team

Batman is the brain, Wonder Woman is the brawn and Superman is the balance
The holy TRINITY of the DCU

 

[El Payaso]

Oh please yes! Oh please yes!!!
GO DC! SHOW THOSE MARVEL GUYS WHAT YOU'RE MADE OF!!

Hell Nolan is involved with Superman, there are plenty of ways to think up connections and how they would work with each other. Who better to do it than Nolan.

Batman becomes involved with Superman and in essence the JLA because he doesn't trust them, and tries to find out ways to defeat them if necessary out of sheer paranoia. Later he begins to respect them and becomes part of the team

Batman is the brain, Wonder Woman is the brawn and Superman is the balance
The holy TRINITY of the DCU

Nolan is precisely the guy who's against the idea of mixing super-heroes.

Go DC and show Marvel you don't have to follow their steps. Specially when they're not a proven success, as jmc said.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Really hope this isn't true. A JLA film will do nothing to help the character at all, 'He doesn't need help'.

But he can help them. People may love Superman, but they're not just gonna build him a space satellite for a headquarters because he wants one. Bruce can afford it. He's also the smartest member of the League or at least the best at solving a difficult situation.

 

[Rockbottom]

But he can help them. People may love Superman, but they're not just gonna build him a space satellite for a headquarters because he wants one. Bruce can afford it. He's also the smartest member of the League or at least the best at solving a difficult situation.

Yes Batman would, no doubt help the movie sell tickets, but the odds are, the movie will hurt the character more than it will help him. I don't think its worth the risk for WB or Batman in general. As the others have said, we don't even know yet if the general audience give a damn about team up films (The Avengers should tell us if they do or don't). Also Batman would have to drag down the tone of the other hero's to a darker place, either that or he would have to compromise to their tone. Overall it just isn't a good idea imo.

 

[jmc]

If WB doesn't give a damn, we wouldn't constantly be hearing reports that WB is planning a JLA movie in a similar vein. The execs have all said they'd like to eventually do a JLA movie, possibly within the same universes. It is Nolan that doesn't appear to see them eye to eye, but he ain't directing the next Superman movie. WB can do whatever they want with Batman after BB3 and I doubt they are just going to abandon Nolan's universe.

DC entertainment can 'suggest' all they want in terms of direction and try and find ways to make a JL work using TDK as a starting point, but at the end of the day if Team Nolan doesn't want Batman, or Superman for that matter in the same universe they are gonna get their way. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if Nolan has more influence over the bigwigs at WB than DC Entertainment do.

 

[Mr. Earle]

DC entertainment can 'suggest' all they want in terms of direction and try and find ways to make a JL work using TDK as a starting point, but at the end of the day if Team Nolan doesn't want Batman, or Superman for that matter in the same universe they are gonna get their way. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if Nolan has more influence over the bigwigs at WB than DC Entertainment do.

Nolan is their golden boy but i doubt he is that powerful. They would be stupid if they gave him that much power.

DC Entertainment is comprised of people who love superheroes and whose job and hobby is to write and draw them. These people know the characters, what people like about them, the demographics, the stories that were successful and the stories that sucked, etc... Nolan doesnt. On the other hand these people probably dont know much about how the film industry works but Nolan does. Unless DCE has people from Hollywood in there as well but last i heard it was Johns, Lee and some others.

I believe that the best strategy would come if both the comic book guys and movie consultants collaborate and brainstorm. And frankly, maybe DC/WB should get a team of film consultants instead of running to Nolan for everything, because he is a director with a specific way of working and specific tastes, and who doesnt really embrace the idea of superheroes and comic books. Robin? Ridiculous! Team ups? Ridiculous! Fun? What's that?

Before we get down to a huge debate again, let me elaborate. Nolan has a specific vision and he likes certain things about the characters and their stories, but he is not a comic book geek, he doesnt really get what superheroes are about. Fair enough. Nolan can do his own take on the characters as much as he likes. But when it comes to devising a company strategy involving many films and franchises, you dont get Nolan or any other director for that matter. You get a team of consultants who will tell you if a certain character can be marketed or not and all that. Nolan will rule out team ups, rule out any fun, rule out the more comic booky elements and substitute with some theme from real life. Bay will add chicks and explosions and Meyer (she is not a director i know) will focus on the muscular, chiseled men and their romances with emo girls.

First you set the strategy (example: Lets make Bond more realistic and cut the scifi bullcrap) and then you get the director to make it happen.

 

[IBRAH08]

I really think people are over estimating the power Nolan has at WB I mean he's said he's only making one more batfilm and after that what he wants for Batman really doesn't matter at all. AT ALL. And who cares if team ups are a proven success? Is that what entertainment should be now? Just a bunch of formulas that everyone knows works? Why do that? And Bats is not lowered by the JL. I don't believe that people are actually suggesting this.

 

[Mr. Earle]

To elaborate even further, Nolan proved that he knows how to make a successful Batman film, but what does he know about the JL, World's Finest, etc? Why do we care what HE likes and what he thinks about superheroes? Are we so blind that we re asking for Nolan's approval for our movies?

He likes certain things, probably what he has been exposed to, and like every batfan who first heard of the JL he hates it too. Grimdark Batman is easy to like, but it takes time to embrace comic books as a whole, the events, the crossovers, the time travel, the parallel universes and see Batman as part of all that. Nolan doesnt like this part of comics and probably never will. When the story falls in his field of expertise, DC should call him, but when its a JL/WF film, they should leave that for people who are better at this like Spielberg or Abraams.

They should devise their strategy and choose the directors depending on the type of film, not make their films based on what some director likes.

 

[def28]

I cant even see them putting Poison Ivy or Mr Freeze in Nolans Batman cause there to far from reality. Theres no way they would have Batman interact with anything from Green Lantern or Supermans universe.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

You guys do know that we can simply have a JLA film without even mentioning it in the other superhero films? Market it as a "What if?" kind of story.

 

[Crook]

WB/DC are ultimately the decision callers here, and if they want it to happen, it'll go through. I know fans are gonna be very stingy on this whole situation, but I'd wager Nolan and WB are more on the same page than most people would like to think.

Nolan's spearheading Superman now. That's a notion that would get you laughed out the room if you were to bring this up even 6 months ago. That should be a signal we don't really know s**t about what's going on in their heads. If I'd have to bet, Nolan was convinced Superman could work (in a setting similar to Batman's) and he's since changed his tune. I find it highly unlikely WB would let Nolan/Goyer handle the reigns of their next flagship hero, with a stipulation that they refuse to let the character eventually merge into the JL. They've been rejecting various pitches from creative teams over the years. No way they took the bait so easily without careful consideration of the future. It's in their best interest to compete with Marvel, and frankly, EVERYONE knows that Justice League is a much more potentially enormous franchise than Avengers is.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

I cant even see them putting Poison Ivy or Mr Freeze in Nolans Batman cause there to far from reality. Theres no way they would have Batman interact with anything from Green Lantern or Supermans universe.

Oh ye of little faith.
Ivy and Freeze can be done. It's just the interpretation that needs changing. Seriously, why is it that whenever it comes to DC everyone loses their creative spark. No Robin, No Freeze... no this! no that!

You guys do know that we can simply have a JLA film without even mentioning it in the other superhero films? Market it as a "What if?" kind of story.

 

[def28]

Oh ye of little faith.
Ivy and Freeze can be done. It's just the interpretation that needs changing. Seriously, why is it that whenever it comes to DC everyone loses their creative spark. No Robin, No Freeze... no this! no that!

Im sure there is a way to make any character work in Nolans Batman world with changes. I just dont see anything that has super powers or thats alien being put in his Batman movies.

A JLA film that stands on its own would work fine. As long as theres no mention in the next Batman film. Imo

 

[Franklin Richards]

Yeah. Cause heaven forbid superpowers appear in a superhero movie.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Ivy and Freeze don't have powers and are human unless you count Ivy's SUPER BOTANY POWERS!!!

Also, thank you Crook. Someone understands that Nolan is an artist and a filmmaker. I like how everyone talks about him like they know him intimately, "Oh he would never do this/that, he said so in the 2006 interview"

Opinions, outlooks can change rapidly and frequently. Once again, they can put Bruce Wayne in a Superman film and only have him suit up in JLA

 

[Franklin Richards]

Don't kid yourself. Ivy and Freeze DO have superpowers. Just like Iron Man, Ant-Man, and Dr. Doom.


Just like Clayface, Man-Bat, and R'as Al Ghul.

 

[def28]

Yeah. Cause heaven forbid superpowers appear in a superhero movie.

I have not seen any superpowers set up in Batman Begins or Dark Knight. IF you wanna consider combat slkills and gadgets superpowers then ya the films full of them.

Ivy and Freeze don't have powers and are human unless you count Ivy's SUPER BOTANY POWERS!!!

Also, thank you Crook. Someone understands that Nolan is an artist and a filmmaker. I like how everyone talks about him like they know him intimately, "Oh he would never do this/that, he said so in the 2006 interview"

Opinions, outlooks can change rapidly and frequently. Once again, they can put Bruce Wayne in a Superman film and only have him suit up in JLA

Im not saying I know Chris Nolan. Or they wont use his Batman at all in JLA. Maybe they will and if it works and its awesome then F*** yeah. Id love to see a JLA movie. I just personally cant see it happening with the way he has set up the previous Batman films. Everyone has different opinions dude.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I can't see how people can even argue for segregating the Nolanverse if all these superhero additions are after the fact... post BB3. Other than the argument that, "You **** all over Nolan if you do that." It's going to happen anyway to Batman either in three years or ten years. Is it really a crime to keep Bale as Batman and try to maintain some continuity?

 

[Gianakin_]

I can't see how people can even argue for segregating the Nolanverse if all these superhero additions are after the fact... post BB3. Other than the argument that, "You **** all over Nolan if you do that." It's going to happen anyway to Batman either in three years or ten years. Is it really a crime to keep Bale as Batman and try to maintain some continuity?

Other than the big possibility that Bale will... well, bale out of the Bat-franchise after B3, I too would have no problem with DC doing whatever they want with the Nolanverse after July 20, 2012.

 

[FaT_tONle]

That's not the issue though. Some people here don't want Bats to be "desecrated" by being involved in JLA... ever. Only a select few people on here but still; it's completely ridiculous. And Bale will be in the film with the right pay check. He'll only be 40-41 and in Wayne's prime come 2015-2016.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I have a feeling that a Justice League movie is inevitable within the next ten years. The Avengers movie will be a big hit, no doubt, and WB will carry some professional jealousy from that.

 

[Fenrir]

Nah, I don't think Nolan's Batman will be in the JLA because when Nolan goes, so will his cast. Christian Bale has already expressed his dislike for Robin alone, I doubt he's up for rubbing shoulders with a whole team of men in tights. This whole thing is just some fans' wet dream. However, if a JLA film is made anyway, it most certainly might include a different Batman.

 

[Anjow1060]

Pssst. Nolan's "Batman" doesn't exist. There is BATMAN. just Batman. A feature film incarnation of a fictional character.

Just as many have said about the Joker coming back in B3 = No one actor is bigger than the role of the Joker. And Chris Nolan, as much as I love the guy, is not bigger than Batman or his mythology. Batman being the rogue so far is what needed to happen. And it works = for now. But after a while, that story is going to get isolated and boring. You need to grow. Have new things happen. And it's either a JLA / WF type movie or we get Robin. Because at some point or another, just like in Kickass, someone is gonna want to get in on the crime fighting thing.

I'm all for another 2-3 Bat-movies of him by himself. But some of his greatest stories come when he stands with... and sometimes against the League. He is still very much a rogue within the group. The devil's advocate. He and Superman agree on one thing, and only one thing = save people's lives. That's it. They disagree on practically everything else. All great films are about conflict. And a JLA film has so much potential to explore the conflicts of differing Superhero ideologies. The way in which things are handled. It's like superhero politics for crying out loud. (Which again - would get old after a while, but I'm pretty sure after 2 or 3 JLA movies they'd either wrap it up or expand out unto other characters.)

Long story short. Batman needs to be in that film. Not only because he is a founding member - the one who joins the league simply because he doesn't trust their power / judgement - but for his own characterization to continue to grow or ... eh hem, "escalate."

"Oh he doesn't work within that world...." blah blah blah.

THESE ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.

FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.

The rules are whatever the writer / directors decide to make. If Nolan wants Batman to stay out of the JLA - hey, guess what my friend? Don't call it quits the franchise after "your trilogy."

Done and done.

This is Anjow. You are welcome for your weekly pwnage.

- Jow

PS: Jett sucks. That is all.