Guardians of the Galaxy Nova in Guardians of the Galaxy 2

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In one of my other threads I discussed the many different options for who Starlord's father is (Star Fox!) and one of the less likely options that I got into was Nova. Really, the only reason I included him on the list was because of the NOVA Corps being so integral to TGOTG1.

Ultimately, I just really want to see Nova, especially since it could possibly lead to the New Warriors. So I came up with a quick story plot, as follows:

Just imagine this...

In GOTG2, Xandar is attacked and Nova Prime gives a mission to Rhomann Dey to take something and protect it. He takes off in a NOVA Corps ship and commands the crew to go. They become attacked by say... Nebula. Damaged and about to be destroyed, they are able to go into hyper space and end up near Terra.

If this story plays into the full movie, then they follow him down to Earth. If not then it could be an after credit scene. Let's go with the first one as I would love to see Nova involved in the storyline.

With the NOVA ship and crew destroyed, with the exception of Dey (maybe he's protected by the energy source of what he is protecting), he crashes to Earth. He lands in Hempstead, Long Island and is found by a kid named Rich. Rich is given/exposed to the energy of the item that Dey had. Maybe Dey dies (which would be too bad as I liked him in GOTG).

Richard Ryder becomes Nova and dons the suit given to him by Dey (or the energy source gives him the suit). Anyway, we now have Nova. Maybe Nebula comes after the power (a stone?) and/or something calls him to Xandar. He gets caught up in the whole battle against Nebula or whatever bad dude the Guardians will be up against in #2. At the end he wants to go home and be a kid. He has to give up his powers to the NOVA Corps and he's sent home (just like in comic canon).

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Post Credits scene:

Locaton: Earth. Hempstead, Long Island. An alley, outside of the kitchen entrance of a small diner.

Time: Late evening. Closing time. The alley is dark.

Richard Ryder opens the door carrying a bag of trash. He locks the door and turns toward the dumpster.

Suddenly a metal grapnel line comes out of nowhere and wraps around his feet. He is taken from his feet, the trash bag falling to the ground as he finds himself being pulled upward.

At the top of the five floor building Nova comes face to face with his attacker, a main dressed in some sort of black colored battle suit, wearing a black helmet with red accents.

As the man grabs Richard by the neck, hoisting him upright, the grapling line retracts into the assailant's guantlets. The black-armored clad figure continues to hold Ryder over the edge of the building, lifting him so they are face to face.

"So you're the Human Rocket, huh?" states the dark figure, in a deep, vibrato voice.

He suddenly opens his hand and Richard Ryder finds himself falling.

The camera follows him as he falls, focusing on his look of terror. Suddenly Richard Ryder's eyes start to emanate a blue energy and Richard smiles.

Fade to black.

Actually, the New Warriors could make a pretty good tv show, if done right.

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So, as it turns out, Nova was actually in an initial script for GOTG1, and the speculation looks really good for him finding his way into #2.

In fact, here is a link to an article about this:

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So, easy question...

Would you like to see Nova in the next Guardians movie and, if so, would you want him to be an integral part of the story, or would you rather see him as a post credits scene?
 
I was disappointed they didn't have Worldmind set-up in GOTG

Nova Corps' inefficiency in dealing with Ronan's insurrection might be the pretext for the creation of Worldmind and the Centurions, to insure the preservation of their civilization and to beef up their law enforcement capabilities.
 
@Super Jim: Nicely done. That's somewhat similar to my own ideas about introducing Nova in GOTG 2 and getting in Worldmind as a bonus.

Ronan has been defeated, but the Nova Corps are hurting, what with a sizable chunk of their ships destroyed and pilots slaughtered. Nova Prime also understands how vulnerable they are and how close they came to complete obliteration.

However, they are now in possession of the Orb, an Infinity Stone, which Nova Prime wants to use to build a super-powered elite squad of Nova Centaurians led by Rhomann Dey. Just like Zola discovered how to harness the Tesseract's power, the Nova Corps' tech. division figures out how to harness and regulate the Power Stone's, um, power. The "regulating" mechanism here is the most advanced supercomputer Xandar has ever built. This system is called Worldmind, and pretty much works as it did in the comics. Communication to Worldmind, of course, occurs through the signature Nova helmets.

The rest pretty much logically flows from comic history in part and the rest from what's been established in the MCU, so I'll be concise and switch to bullet point mode...

* Xandar is destroyed... maybe midway through the film, with only a handful of the Nova Corps surviving.

* Final battle occurs near Earth. The Guardians are victorious, I presume, but all the Nova Centaurians are dead, except Dey, who's critically injured, but escapes to Earth.

* Post-credit scene involves a dying Dey giving the Nova helmet to an Earthling called Richard Rider who puts it on. Dey, knowing that Xandar is basically extinct, wants the history and accumulated knowledge of his people to survive.

* Despite the risk to Rider (Dey's desperate) he calls for the Worldmind to download all its power and knowledge into Rider.

* Richard Rider goes all "glowy" and looks like he's going to overload and explode. He then gets the Nova Force under control... and just takes off, flying past the Earth's atmosphere.
 
I could definitely see the Worldmind sentient supercomputer being part of the Guardians 2 story (Let's call the movie, Guardians of the Galaxy: Annihilation).

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Simply, at the beginning of the movie Xandar is attacked by a major force (like the Annihilation Wave). NOVA Prime gives a special mission to Rhommen Dey to protect something (possibly an infinity stone). He sets off and ends up crashing on Earth, leading to Richard Rider becoming Nova. On Xandar NOVA Prime uploads the minds of the people, and all NOVA Corps members, creating the Worldmind. Maybe Dey takes the Worldmind with him when he escapes.

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The Annihilation Wave destroys Xandar and the Corps, and the rest of the movie is all about Nova (Richard Rider please) and the Guardians, with maybe a few others, like Quasar, fight against Annihilus (wonder if his Cosmic Control Rod could be an Infinity Stone?).

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Add in some Star Lord's daddy stuff (Starfox) and maybe a cameo from the Collector and/or Adam Warlock, and you've got a pretty good story!
 
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Know what sucks? Was just reading that there is a good chance that the expected dismal Fantastic Four will be using Annihilus as the main baddie! Best guess is that would ruin the character for use in the next Guardians movie.

I say that Marvel should just go ahead and use Annihilus anyway. As long as they do it better, it won't matter that Fox abused, I mean previously used the character.
 
Know what sucks? Was just reading that there is a good chance that the expected dismal Fantastic Four will be using Annihilus as the main baddie! Best guess is that would ruin the character for use in the next Guardians movie.

I say that Marvel should just go ahead and use Annihilus anyway. As long as they do it better, it won't matter that Fox abused, I mean previously used the character.
Is Annihilus a character both studios could use?
 
I'm thinking yes.

Annihilus has definitely been a villain that has gone up against the F4. One of the first times Annihilus was seen was when The F4 went into the Negative Zone looking for anti-particles to heal Sue Storm, who was having complications with her pregnancy. They stole his control rod, which they used to save Sue, and then they returned it to him.



A while later he kidnapped Franklin Richards and the F4 and he tried to steal the energy that he sensed was within Franklin. The F4 defeated him and went back to Earth.

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Another story had another Negative Zone dude steal his control rod, so Annihilus tried to escape to Earth. He was defeated by both the Avengers and the F4.

He then went up against Asgard and was repelled by Odin.

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There was a story where he was against Adam Warlock.

And then there was the whole Annihilation Wave story, where he destroyed Xandar. At the end of this story Nova killed Annihilus.

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So both groups have definitely been involved in major stories that revolved around Annihilus. Not sure what the specific legal requirements are for whether or not the villain could be used by both or either studio, but if it's simply having been in stories in the comics then he would be fair game for both.

Hence my concern as the Annihilation story is perfect for a Guardians 2 movie and leads directly to Nova!
 
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As much as Marvel is pushing Sam Alexander as NOVA I can't see Richard in the MCU...
 
^ I'm not so sure. Lets compare the two stories:

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Some 15 year old kid whose drunk father was in the NOVA Corps. His latino, housemaker mother knows about her husband's past. His father goes missing and he hurts himself. He awakes in the hospital with Rocket Racoon and Gamora there, who give him the Nova Helmet. He puts it on, goes to the moon, hangs out with a Watcher, and goes to scout the Chitauri.

Richard Rider

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The true origin of Nova belongs to Richard Rider. Chosen by a dying Rhomann Dey to be the next Nova Prime, high school student Richard Rider is given the uniform and powers. He happily takes on the adventurous role. But because he was away he was not able to finish high school. This likely put his age at say 17 or 18 years old. Wanting to go back to Earth he is released from his responsibilities and the powers are supposedly taken away. He goes home and struggles, taking on menial jobs, like working in a diner. He then is confronted by Night Thrasher who forces a situation to help him regain his powers so he cane join the New Warriors.

So the first major difference is the age. Sam is 15 and kind of an annoying, immature kid, while Richard is 17 or 18 and has to deal with grown-up issues.

Personally I believe the older version of the character makes more sense for the Guardians movies.

The background/origin story is the other major difference, and again, personally, I believe the Rhommen Dey story makes so much more sense than a here's your helmet story.

When it comes to interactions between the adult group of Starlord, Gamora, Rocket, Groot and Drax; Rider makes more sense.

Plus, this could easily relate directly to a New Warriors movie or tv series!!!!!

Also, it might be interesting to see this, which wouldn't be possible with the 15 year old Alexander:

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To me, the idea of a love triangle (or sorts) between Starlord, Gamora and Nova; would be very fun!

And yes, they could use all of the Richard Rider storyline plot points with a character names Sam Alexander, but then isn't it just Richard Rider being called something else? Why do that? That would kind of be stupid!!!!!

For so many reasons Richard Rider is the better choice!
 
Marvel seems to have hitched it's wagon to Sam Alexander in cartoons, comics and games and they are big on synergy.

Sam Alexander opens a market they don't current have a TEEN superhero...
 
^ Richard Rider gives them a teen superhero as well, just later teens. A young teen superhero in the Guardians movie doesn't have the best synergy and would likely feel out of place with the other Guardians.

You may end up being right, that they go with Sam, but I believe there will be a bunch of fanboys a bit upset that they didn't get Rider!
 
^ Richard Rider gives them a teen superhero as well, just later teens. A young teen superhero in the Guardians movie doesn't have the best synergy and would likely feel out of place with the other Guardians.

You may end up being right, that they go with Sam, but I believe there will be a bunch of fanboys a bit upset that they didn't get Rider!

This is the MCU not the 616...They are blazing a new trail...Fans will be upset...Look at the outrage over Hank Pym not, but do u think Disney gonna push a "DICK RIDER" film in this PC world??
 
Gunn said he didn't like Nova, so I doubt Nova is in GotG.

However, Nova Richard Rider would be great and they could always heroically kill him off and introduce Sam at the end.
 
I've set up a poll that includes options for both Rich Rider and Sam Alexander.
 
I'd like Nova (Sam) in this as secondary hero taking over the main Nova scenes except with some input from Nova Prime. The other Nova Corp members were kinda meh in GotG I.
 
What is the reasoning for your preference of Nova (Sam) over Nova (Rich)?
 
When you consider that he's the biggest member of the Guardians to not be part of the first film I wouldn't be surprised to see him show up.
 
Gunn said he didn't like Nova, so I doubt Nova is in GotG.

However, Nova Richard Rider would be great and they could always heroically kill him off and introduce Sam at the end.

Yeah Feige also said the problem with Nova in a team movie is he just rehashes the same territory they already covered with Star-Lord.

If they did introduce Nova I'd do it as a post-credit. Maybe have it as Sam with Rich as his mentor.
 
It should absolutely NOT be that little Nova-INO.

Richard Rider is the one true Nova. Just like the one true Cap is Steve Rogers and one true Batman is Bruce Wayne.

I say that Marvel should just go ahead and use Annihilus anyway.

They can't use him in a Guardians movie as Marvel sold the character.

Yeah Feige also said the problem with Nova in a team movie is he just rehashes the same territory they already covered with Star-Lord.

They should've done Star-Lord accurately then.

Gunn said he didn't like Nova, so I doubt Nova is in GotG.

So that's that?

If Singer said he didn't like Cable and would never have him in a movie there'd be a HUGE outrage with people wanting his head served up.
 
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I'd be interested in seeing Nova (Rider) in a Marvel movie. I doubt it will happen though because Gunn has apparently said he isn't that fond of him. Not to mention that he also said he doesn't want another human in space and that's Star-Lord's thing (or words to that effect).

While Marvel could easily stipulate to Gunn that he uses Nova in a sequel, that would rely on them having a plan to use Nova. I don't see much to support that they do.
 
I think the whole "Gunn hates Nova" thing is blown a bit out of proportion. His quote was basically as follows.
James Gunn: I think certain people really like Nova. Quite honestly, I really don't care. He's not a favourite character. I don't know whether he's ever going to show up. I think they serve a purpose? I like the Nova Corps, I just don't like Nova that much! He's okay, you know? I just don't like that helmet!
What I got from that quote was that... (a) Gunn sees the Nova Corps as more of a off-world version of SHIELD rather than a team of heroes, (b) he didn't see how to functionally include Nova into the plot of the first movie and (c) he doesn't like helmet.

Also, I wouldn't rule out other human characters in the cosmos going forward. I can totally see why Gunn wanted Star-Lord as the lone human in space in the first movie (and altered Drax's backstory to that effect) and completely agree with the decision, but I don't think that quite applies as stringently to sequels. I mean, I really don't want it to get to the point that every third person we're introduced to in the comics can trace his/her origins to Earth, but a small sprinkling of other human characters could add a nice little wrinkle to Quill's character development.

Not that I'm guaranteeing that Nova will show up in GOTG2 or anything, but I really don't think we can rule Nova out based on that quote.
 
I dunno, that seems like a pretty definitive "I don't like Nova" quote to me. Maybe not AS definitive a "Nova won't be included" quote, but it does seem to make the chances pretty slim.
 

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