Batman Begins "Now we're two"

[FatmanReturns]

The only thing in this movie i dont understand is when bruce is in gordons office... it goes like this:

G: You're just one man?

B: Now we're two.

G: We?

What does he mean by that?

 

[ND Irish]

he knows Gordon is clean, a good cop who wants to do right in gotham and bring an end to corruption as does Bruce. Now the two of them will be working together in a covert way.

 

[Man Who Laughed]

he knows Gordon is clean, a good cop who wants to do right in gotham and bring an end to corruption as does Bruce. Now the two of them will be working together in a covert way.

Whether Gordon wants to or not.

Yeah, before that, there was no "we."

 

[rashad]

I love that scene.

 

[vincenizzle]

i thought batman was referring to himself, how he has now become batman which is his second persona? no?

 

[Mee]

No. 2= Bats and Gordon.



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[TLH]

Brilliant scene.

 

[vincenizzle]

i'll stick with the split personality theory

 

[FatmanReturns]

i never really thought he was talking about himself and gordon...i thought he was talking a bout bruce and batman

thanks tho

if mods need to close this, feel free

 

[Cain]

he knows Gordon is clean, a good cop who wants to do right in gotham and bring an end to corruption as does Bruce. Now the two of them will be working together in a covert way.

Exactly, I don't get why that is so difficult to understand it was pretty clear.

 

[Danielson]

Are you guys 100% positive he says "now" and not "no" like answering Gordon.

Gordon says "you're just one guy?"
Batman "no, we're two"

Batman referring to himself and Wayne.

 

[Cain]

110%

 

[ND Irish]

i cant believe people think he would refer to himself as 2 people when its not a fact that batman has an 'alter ego' some people may just see him as batman and thats it and not even think about who or what he is during the day

 

[Man Who Laughed]

Yeah, he's referring to himself and Gordon. Funny this thread took this turn, though, because I am always trying to explain to my friends that Batman and Bruce Wayne are not the same person per se. Yes, when Batman takes his mask off we see Bruce Wayne's face. But the catch is that when Bruce Wayne puts on the outfit, he *becomes* Batman. He's not Bruce Wayne in a Batman suit. And Bruce Wayne is not Batman minus the suit. There are two "people" there. It's not like that for a lot of other heroes, which is what distinguishes Batman from the rest.

 

[vincenizzle]

if batman is referring to this new relationship between himself and gordon as something mutual with the line "now we're two" then why would gordon waste his time chasing after batman over the rooftops, which results in batman injuring himself as well. nevermind what gordon says to the cops after batman escapes, he refers to him as "just some nut", and even in thier second meeting he still questions batman's intentions with the line "but i've been wrong before".

???

if bats is refering to himself it represents his dual personality, what is that called? schizophrenia? besides if you look at it that way when he's throwing out those lines to gordon it comes off creepy, he's gone off the edge or at least he's going to. it just makes more sense in the continuity of everything like when rachel tells him about his real mask at the end of the movie and it would make more sense when the joker compares himself to him in tdk.

 

[gqxsensazn]

Why would you think Bruce was talking about himself? Rewatch the whole scene again because you only took a small piece of the conversation. You missed the entire point. Bruce is referring to himself and Gordon taking on corruption.

The scene is very straightforward. I'm not sure what you guys who thought otherwise were thinking.

And why did Gordon chase him? Seriously, wouldn't you want to know who was talking to you with your back turned? He's a cop, its his job to find out.

 

[vincenizzle]

nevermind that batman mentioned the line "a D.A. brave enough to prosecute" his reference to rachel dawes, the third leg in this tripod. so why didnt batman say "now we're three"? this argument that he's refering to this mutual relationship really doesn't stand up. And gordon's job is not to investigate but to apprehend, or so it would seem as gordon then proceeds to whip out his gun and chase bats to the roof tops with two other officers. i'm sure he'd just like to ask bats a few questions with his gun pointed at him.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Just another great example of an overlooked moment that encapsulates what makes Begins so great. It's such a simple thing really, yet none of the films had ever managed to get Gordon and Bats' relationship right. In this one, they nail it in three words.

It's a perfectly condensed version of Year One's "He's out to clean up a city that likes being dirty. He can't do it alone."

 

[Nightwing1977]

Are you guys 100% positive he says "now" and not "no" like answering Gordon.

Gordon says "you're just one guy?"
Batman "no, we're two"

Batman referring to himself and Wayne.

Yep. He said "now", since I heard it perfectly. Even the close caption on my tv said it too.

Hearing that lines, Batman surely was meaning that he trust Gordon is a good cop & that they will be working together now. Hence, why he said "Now we're two".

 

[Snoo]

Are you guys 100% positive he says "now" and not "no" like answering Gordon.

Gordon says "you're just one guy?"
Batman "no, we're two"

Batman referring to himself and Wayne.

Capped this from the Begins dvd extras, thought I'd share since I already had it on my computer:

It's from the script.

I also thought he meant Gordon and himself, it never struck me he could possibly mean his other identity. It just sounded logical to me he was talking about Gordon and him working together from now on.

 

[Joker]

He's definitely talking about him and Gordon. And Gordon chases him cause, well...A guy dressed like a ninja just broke into his office, held what he thought was a gun to his head, and started ranting about cleaning up the city. What else would a cop logically do?

 

[ND Irish]

Why would you think Bruce was talking about himself? Rewatch the whole scene again because you only took a small piece of the conversation. You missed the entire point. Bruce is referring to himself and Gordon taking on corruption.

The scene is very straightforward. I'm not sure what you guys who thought otherwise were thinking.

And why did Gordon chase him? Seriously, wouldn't you want to know who was talking to you with your back turned? He's a cop, its his job to find out.

Y'know I had a funny feeling that someone on here thought like me. guys this really isnt that complicated.

 

[gqxsensazn]

No, it really isn't complicated. You're looking for a deeper meaning which isn't there.

Think about it, why would Wayne explain to Gordon he's two people? It defeats the purpose of shrouding in mystery. He'd be exposing himself and passing himself off as insane. When Wayne says "You're a good cop. One of the few." It establishes that both he and Gordon share the same mission: stop corruption.

The focus of the scene was to show how he began a working relationship with Gordon.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

He's definitely talking about him and Gordon. And Gordon chases him cause, well...A guy dressed like a ninja just broke into his office, held what he thought was a gun to his head, and started ranting about cleaning up the city. What else would a cop logically do?

exactly!

 

[rory_bat]

The only thing in this movie i dont understand is when bruce is in gordons office... it goes like this:

G: You're just one man?

B: Now we're two.

G: We?

What does he mean by that?

WHAT?!

Pardon my blunt comment but.... you're either 5 years old or a complete idiot. Sory dude, but seriously.