(NPD Sales) Original Xbox vs 360 comparison

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For the period launch through the first April (Nov 2001 - Apr 2002 & Nov 2005 - Apr 2006)

HW Sales
XBox HW 1,873,857
360 HW 1,504,684

Tie Ratios
Xbox 4.36
360 4.45


1 Title Apr 2002 LTD
2 HALO 1,077,266
3 PROJECT GOTHAM RACING 572,965
4 DEAD OR ALIVE 3 517,753
5 NFL FEVER 2002 474,413
6 MAX PAYNE 407,588
7 MADDEN NFL 2002 373,301
8 ODDWORLD: MUNCH 248,481
9 AMPED: SNOWBOARDING 226,455
10 T.HAWKS PRO SKATER 2X 223,932
11 NBA LIVE 2002 221,706
12 WWE RAW 193,417
13 WRECKLESS: YAKUZA 184,660
14 BLOOD WAKE 161,418
15 STAR WARS: OBI-WAN 152,136
16 NASCAR THUNDER 2002 150,041
17 SHREK 138,678
18 NHL HITZ 2002 132,051
19 SW: STARFIGHTER SE 128,699
20 SPIDER-MAN: THE MOVIE 128,371
21 BOND:AGENT UNDER FIRE 123,645
22 SIMPSONS: ROAD RAGE 120,112
23 NHL 2002 118,263
24 NBA INSIDE DRIVE 2002 113,952
25 SSX TRICKY 100,701
26 AZURIK: RISE PERATHIA 97,730
27 FUZION FRENZY 96,684
28 ALL STAR BASEBALL2003 91,295
29 SILENT HILL 2: DREAMS 83,989
30 4X4 EVOLUTION 2 78,909
31 RALLISPORT CHALLENGE 74,429
32 TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR3 71,321
33 NBA 2K2 65,109 TOP SPIN 2 65,937
34 NASCAR HEAT 2002 64,529
35 JET SET RADIO FUTURE 63,710
36 AIRFORCE DELTA STORM 63,466
37 MAD DASH RACING 63,362
38 DAVE MIRRA BMX 2 62,750
39 KNOCKOUT KINGS 2002 62,493
40 UFC: TAPOUT 60,545
41 GENMA ONIMUSHA 56,829
42 MX 2002 W/CARMICHAEL 56,678
43 BLOOD OMEN 2 54,265
44 NFL 2K2 51,520
45 TEST DRIVE WIDE OPEN 49,359
46 ARCTIC THUNDER 49,264
47 CEL DAMAGE 44,258
48 TRIPLE PLAY 2002 43,261
49 BATMAN VENGEANCE 38,949
50 TRANSWORLD SURF 38,267
51 SPY HUNTER 34,928
52 NIGHTCASTER 31,560
53 GUNVALKYRIE 31,269
54 DARK SUMMIT 30,005
55 F1 2001 29,052
56 CIRCUS MAXIMUS 18,392
57 NEW LEGENDS 17,505
58 KABUKI WARRIORS 17,086
59 NFL BLITZ 2002 15,887
60 CRASH BANDICOOT:CORTX 14,796
61 2002 FIFA WORLD CUP 14,378
62 PIRATES: BLACK KAT 12,054
63 GAUNTLET: DARK LEGACY 10,330
64 ESPN WINTR SPORTS 2K2 3,915
65 NFL PRIMETIME 2002 3,316
66 ESPN MLS XTRA TIME2K2 3,044
67 BURNOUT 2,604
68 ESPN X GAMES:SNOW 2K2 2,269
69 ESPN NBA 2 NIGHT 2002 421
Total Sales 8,165,786

1 Title Apr 2006 LTD
2CALL OF DUTY 2 854,704
3 T. CLANCYS GHOST RECON: ADVANCED WARFI 626,071
4 MADDEN NFL 06 447,372
5 ELDER SCROLLS IV: OBLIVION 364,111
6 NEED SPEED: MOST WANTED 348,632
7 FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 325,892
8 PROJECT GOTHAM 3 282,349
9 PERFECT DARK ZERO 234,228
10 CONDEMNED: CRIMINAL ORIGINS 198,424
11 PERFECT DARK ZERO LTD ED 193,714
12 KAMEO: ELEMENTS OF POWER 185,610
13 DEAD OR ALIVE 4 185,169
14 NBA LIVE 06 178,405
15 QUAKE 4 170,908
16 NBA 2K6 162,019
17 TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 06 160,635
18 KING KONG: PETER JACKSON'S 140,579
19 GUN 131,938
20 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K6 127,858
21 ELDER SCROLLS IV:OBLIVION CE 145,092
22 BATTLEFIELD 2: MODERN KOMBAT 112,960
23 TOMB RAIDER: LEGEND 104,442
24 BURNOUT REVENGE 100,041
25 TONY HAWK AMERICAN WASTELAND 95,240
26 BLAZING ANGELS: SQUADRONS OF WWII 87,600
27 FIFA SOCCER 06 82,457
28 FULL AUTO 81,453
29 FAR CRY: INSTINCTS PREDATOR 78,515
30 THE OUTFIT 75,550
31 AMPED 3 70,123
32 NHL 2K6 67,351
33 COLLEGE HOOPS 2K6 55,963
34 FINAL FANTASY XI ONLINE 46,627
35 RIDGE RACER 6 37,415
36 DYNASTY WARRIORS 5: EMPIRES 35,742
37 RUMBLE ROSES XX 24,357
38 FIFA WORLD CUP 2006 14,642
Total Sales 6,700,125
 
Before anyone says anything: Yes I'm pretty sure that the 360 would do better without the HW shortages, but the SW discrepencies are really suprising. Now yes the 360 list doesn't go as far down because it didn't have as many games as the original Xbox for that period (also suprising) but when you compare the 38th best seling game for each:

Xbox 360
38 FIFA WORLD CUP 2006 14,642
Xbox
38 DAVE MIRRA BMX 2 62,750


That's a huge software discrepency.

According to peter Moore they had 600k worth of 360's in the market for the month of april in America, I doubt that number, but sell through was about 295k for the month of April.
 
Month Xbox 360
November 722,177 325,902
December 699,597 281,441
January 127,939 249,000
February 139,123 161,000
March 136,388 192,000
April 78,142 295,381

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I'd like to see the numbers if the Japanese embraced the 360.

BTW Zen, "In Japan suicide is considered A honorable and noble thing"
 
^ Actually, because "honorable" begins with a vowel sound (don't forget the "H" is silent) I believe "an" is the appropriate word.
 
You also have to realize that for the first XBOX, there wasn't a whole lot of people waiting to see what the next Playstation and Nintendo consoles would do before choosing which system to get.

I'm sure that's a good factor to concider.

Also...why is it that the game lists both start at #2?

And this is only US, right? Are there global figures, too, we could see? What's your source? (No, I'm not doubting ya, I just thought I'd look for myself)
 
Damn it Spidey-Bat!! You stole my sig!
 
imdaly said:
You also have to realize that for the first XBOX, there wasn't a whole lot of people waiting to see what the next Playstation and Nintendo consoles would do before choosing which system to get.

I'm sure that's a good factor to concider.

Also...why is it that the game lists both start at #2?

And this is only US, right? Are there global figures, too, we could see? What's your source? (No, I'm not doubting ya, I just thought I'd look for myself)

NPD Group, they track and monitor sales of North America, you can register, but they charge an insane price for it. Also Wallmart does not report their numbers to the NPD Group, but all sales tracking sources estimate the sales of Wallmart, so even though the numbers can never be 100 percent accurate, they are very very close.

As far as games go, the numbers are regularly leaked and confirmed by people who are in positions to confirm such things. :o
 
Zenien said:
NPD Group, they track and monitor sales of North America, you can register, but they charge an insane price for it. Also Wallmart does not report their numbers to the NPD Group, but all sales tracking sources estimate the sales of Wallmart, so even though the numbers can never be 100 percent accurate, they are very very close.

As far as games go, the numbers are regularly leaked and confirmed by people who are in positions to confirm such things. :o


NONE OF THESE FIGURES MEAN ANYTHING AT ALL, SINCE THE HARDWARE SHORTAGE..........OR COMPLETE LACK OF IT..........LASTED FOR ABOUT 3 MONTHS. :confused:
 
Really? That so invalidates my figures then, thanks for telling me Xfriend.

November 2005 326,000
December 2005 281,441
January 2006 249,000
February 2006 161,000
March 2006 192,000
April 2006 295,000

So the hardware shortages lasted 3 months did they? I'll believe you because it furthers my agenda, awesome.
 
Zenien said:
Really? That so invalidates my figures then, thanks for telling me Xfriend.

November 2005 326,000
December 2005 281,441
January 2006 249,000
February 2006 161,000
March 2006 192,000

April 2006 295,000

So the hardware shortages lasted 3 months did they? I'll believe you because it furthers my agenda, awesome.

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE DROP OFF IN THAT 3-MONTH PERIOD? :confused:
 
Call me crazy, but typically the eliviation of a hardware shortage situation leads to increased sales... Espcially with the debut months being so low for a console (original Xbox was 700 800k for November December IIRC) Now ypou see the funny thing is Microsoft actually went into detail about how the shortages situation was taken care of because they just got a new plant to supply them, and this was around say March and they said "Look for an increase in shipped 360's for April".

Believe it or not their shipped numbers doubled for April, where as they were previously shipping, well...

January 2006 249,000
February 2006 161,000
March 2006 192,000

That much, relatively.
 
Zenien said:
Call me crazy, but typically the eliviation of a hardware shortage situation leads to increased sales... Espcially with the debut months being so low for a console (original Xbox was 700 800k for November December IIRC) Now ypou see the funny thing is Microsoft actually went into detail about how the shortages situation was taken care of because they just got a new plant to supply them, and this was around say March and they said "Look for an increase in shipped 360's for April".

Believe it or not their shipped numbers doubled for April, where as they were previously shipping, well...

January 2006 249,000
February 2006 161,000
March 2006 192,000

That much, relatively.


I THOUGHT THE "CRAZY" PART WAS UNDERSTOOD.........BUT YEAH, YOU'RE CERTIFIABLE. :confused::up:
 
Alright, believe the low numbers were a result of a lack of demand.
 
Zenien said:
Alright, believe the low numbers were a result of a lack of demand.



IT'S HARD TO TRACK CERTAIN VARIABLES, SUCH AS:

  • HOW MANY STORES STOPPED DISPLAYING '360' PROMOTIONS
  • HOW MANY STORE EMPLOYEES JUST STARTED TELLING PEOPLE "STOP CALLING........WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYMORE '360'S", OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT
  • HOW MANY PEOPLE, SUBSEQUENTLY STOPPED LOOKING FOR A '360', FOR A FEW MONTHS ANYWAY, BEFORE FINALLY REALIZING THEY WERE BECOMING AVAILABLE AGAIN
  • HOW MANY PEOPLE HAD THE CASH READY FOR THE HOLIDAYS, BUT HAD SPENT IT ON OTHER THINGS IN THE INTERIM.
  • HOW MANY PEOPLE DECIDED TO HOLD OFF UNTIL 'E3'.....OR AT LEAST HEAR SOME MORE ABOUT THE 'PS3' AND 'REV'/WII, BEFORE SPENDING THEIR MONEY, SINCE THEY'D ALREADY WAITED 3-6 MONTHS ANYWAY.
 
Those are all valid points, but the supply chain shows that reguardless Microsoft was selling out during those months, so it's not worth argueing about.

Why do you think April shows a healthy boost compared to the last couple months? E3 wasn't until May.
 
Zenien said:
Those are all valid points, but the supply chain shows that reguardless Microsoft was selling out during those months, so it's not worth argueing about.

Why do you think April shows a healthy boost compared to the last couple months? E3 wasn't until May.



BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE INCREASED PRODUCTIVITY STARTED TO FILL THE DEMAND AGAIN. CASE CLOSED. :up:


MAN......I'M GLAD WE FINALLY GOT THAT RESOLVED. :marv:
 
It's good that you decided to agree with me.
 
Obviously the hardware shortages lasted 5 months, because November December the 360 was impossible to find and consoels never sell that low during their debut christmas, that's like a good 900 thousand less than the Xbox 1 sold for November December.
 
Zenien said:
Obviously the hardware shortages lasted 5 months, because November December the 360 was impossible to find and consoels never sell that low during their debut christmas, that's like a good 900 thousand less than the Xbox 1 sold for November December.


WELL, IT WAS A "SHORTAGE" AFTER MAYBE FEBRUARY.......IT WAS PRETTY MUCH NON-EXISTENT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS AFTER LAUNCH. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THEY'LL COME CLOSE TO THAT "FIRST TO 10 MILLION" BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.......LIKE THEY HOPE/THINK THEY WILL. BUT, THEY SHOULD AVERAGE AROUND 300K/MONTH UNTIL ABOUT OCTOBER.

SOMETHING OCCURED TO ME THE OTHER DAY. THIS RAT RACE IS ABOUT TO LOOK LIKE THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE BACK IN THE EARLY 90'S ('92 ? ), WHEN ROSS PEROT WAS RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT. EVERYONE WAS SAYING 'PEROT'S SUPPORTERS WOULD ONLY SERVE TO HELP THE DEMOCRAT'S (CLINTON)........AND THEY DID, IN A WAY.

'360' = CLINTON/UNDERDOG/ NEW GUY, TRYING TO APPEAL TO THE YOUNG/HIP
'PS3' = BUSH SR./INCUMBENT/HOPING TO MAINTAIN IT'S REIGN, BUT HAD ALOT OF FACTORS WEIGHING AGAINST THAT
'WII' = PEROT/X-FACTOR/RADICAL THINKER/BELOVED BY MANY FOR BOLDNESS: WHOEVER GOES WITH THEM, WILL ONLY BE HURTING THE INCUMBENT.

THIS COULD BE INTERESTING! :eek:
 
THWIP* said:
election stuff
I see where you're going with this, and I mostly agree, but I think the big factor here will be the cross buyers. The people who already own a 360 and will buy a Wii, or the people who plan to buy both a PS3 and a Wii. In an election you cant vote for two or more candidates, so the Wii is an x-factor (you're right on the money with that) that until its release nobody will truly be able to predict how it will affect the rest of the market.
 

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