NYPD Round Up Mentally Ill Before They Commit Crimes

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  1. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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  2. ThePhantasm 2 sexy 4 a stormtrooper

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    Looks to me that they aren't rounding up all mentally ill people. Only those who have already standing warrants for disobeying a court order to take medication. Normally those warrants are probably way low on the police priority list but recent incidents just bumped them up.
     
  3. Victarion Iron Captain

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    If they've disobeyed a court order for medication or counseling sessions, I see no problem. I stand corrected.
     
  4. ThePhantasm 2 sexy 4 a stormtrooper

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    The article says they'd be taken to a hospital for treatment, not to a prison.
     
  5. Schlosser85 Registered

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    Misleading thread title much?
     
  6. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    Does the refusal to take court ordered medication automatically result in "standing warrants" for your arrest?
     
  7. ThePhantasm 2 sexy 4 a stormtrooper

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    Nothing "automatically" results in a standing warrant. They have to be issued by a judge. That doesn't mean the warrants were issued because of the incident mentioned in the article.
     
  8. Victarion Iron Captain

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    Okay, I read it. They're not arresting them per se; they're giving them their meds, essentially.
     
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    Gotta catch em all!
     
  10. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    How is it misleading?

    It's what they're doing.

    These people didn't do anything to have their constitutional rights trampled, property invaded, and dragged to psychiatric wards.

    Usually you have to break the law before any of that happens, even if the court says you have to take meds.

    How do these police know these people haven't taken their meds in a while? There's really no way they can be sure without drug testing them first.
     
  11. ThePhantasm 2 sexy 4 a stormtrooper

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    I guess they'd know if they haven't had the require prescriptions filled, or if they haven't made the required hospital visits.
     
  12. Victarion Iron Captain

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    I imagine the subway incident prompted the judge(s) to follow up with the pharmacies the prescriptions were called in to.
     
  13. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    You don't seem to understand the physics of forcing someone to take their meds.

    The police approach you and if you don't want to go to psych ward for an undisclosed amount of time, they tackle you to the ground, handcuff you, and take you to a hospital ward where you can be physically restrained to a bed.

    Then they inject you with drugs.

    t's not simply knocking politely on someone's door and asking them to take a pill with a glass of milk.
     
  14. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    Very possible but evidently they had an extensive computer database to keep track of these people.
     
  15. ThePhantasm 2 sexy 4 a stormtrooper

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    But how could any computer database keep track of whether they were taking medication or not? That doesn't make any sense. The only way to tell is through prescription info or lack of hospital visits. I mean, its not like the computer is watching them through their window...
     
  16. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    If these people were on court ordered medication for murder then I can understand this response to some extent.

    But a court can order medication for many reasons.

    I don't think it's right to treat mentally ill people like they're murderers unless they have killed or almost killed in the past.
     
  17. Victarion Iron Captain

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    There is a simple solution: take your meds on your own.
     
  18. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    It's not so simple if the meds have terrible side effects or a drug practically lobotomizes you.

    But I guess that doesn't matter as long as it's the other guy.
     
  19. Victarion Iron Captain

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    If the side effects kick in, there's always the option of contacting the pharmacy or physician. The psych meds should be given alongside counseling sessions from the psychiatrist.
     
  20. Hotwire Dealin' W/ Demons

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    Let's say you're a mentally unstable individual who is prone to violent outbursts. One of these lands you in front of a judge. Instead of sending you to prison for assault, he orders you into a medical program where you must report to a facility to receive treatment, part of which, is medication that has been proven to prevent these violent outbursts. Instead of showing up at the doctor's office and taking your meds, you choose to ignore the sentence. This will lead to the doctor telling the courts and a warrant being issued. That, in turn, leads to you being picked up by the cops.

    Or, perhaps the mentally ill person is a sexual predator who is sentenced to chemical castration. By taking a certain dosage, his sexual desires are suppressed and he doesn't molest little kids anymore. He decides to stop showing up for his meds. You can see where that could lead.

    Bottom line, violating a court order is an arrestable offense.

    Also, going off your meds to avoid certain side effects can actually lead to other, sometimes worse, side effects.
     
  21. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    It depends what the term violent outburst includes.

    and sometimes the mentally ill will be charged with a crime that was instigated by someone else or unrelated to mental illness.

    I think each case needs to be evaluated carefully before resorting to Orwellian methods of watching and forcing people to be on medication for the rest of their natural born lives.
     
  22. Hotwire Dealin' W/ Demons

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    I agree. However, you're assuming the stance that judges are issuing warrants on people who have been diagnosed as mentally ill for no reason other than their illness. You're not allowing for even the most remote possibility that the person has done something wrong. I've found you have to do SOMETHING to get on the court's radar.
     
  23. ThePhantasm 2 sexy 4 a stormtrooper

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    Exactly. I see no reason to assume Orwellianism at this point.
     
  24. SuperFerret King of the Urban Jungle

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    They put sick dogs down. Forcing people to be medicated seems pretty good in comparison.
     
  25. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    Yeah, it really depends why people are being court ordered medication.

    Maybe someone like Chris Brown should be forced to take zoloft for something he did years ago. Maybe a person a schizophrenic had good reason to fight someone at a baseball game and shouldn't be forced to take a drug for the rest of their lives.

    It's really fall into subjective and less clear cut areas sometimes.

    A recent study determined that half of all inmates suffer from mental illness.

    Are we prepared as a society to ignore a million Americans constitutional rights and drag these people out of their homes and force them into an institution whenever the police see fit regardless if these people were actively causing any trouble.

    It's a slippery slope when 20% of Americans are on a psychiatric drug.

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/11/17/one-in-five-american-adults-takes-psychiatric-drugs/
     

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