Superman Returns Official: Comic Book creator Feedback Thread

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As the title indicates this is a thread for Comic Book creator feedback regarding Bryan Singer's Superman Returns. Please quote and source your find.

'Superman Returns was the best time I've had at the movies in 27 years.' - Mark Waid (Writer of Kingdom Come, Fantastic Four, Flash... )
Source
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76282

'Superman had reviews equating it with a religious experience and I found it to be a pretentious piece of crap.' - Rob Liefeld (Creator of Youngblood, Team Youngblood, Brigade, and the infamous large breasted Capatin America tragedy)
Source
http://herorealm.com/hrboards/index.php?topic=8020.45
 
Im with Rob Liefeld all the way. I went in expecting a heartfelt religious experience of a movie and came out think...............

WHAT THE **** WAS THAT.
 
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HAHA your more than likely stupid picture didn't come up.

EDIT: Nevermind
 
Yes broken link... It is now fixed... I'm happy it made YOU happy the picture didn't originally pop up, Retconned. Although your joy was rather sad at the same time. Anyway enough of that.

Hope to read more creator comments coming in soon.
 
Retconned, your own views arent relevant to this comic book writer thread, since youre not a writer.

Heres more:

"I've seen the movie for the second time today which should tell you I really do like it. The cast is quite good but it's the story that drives the film, and this is a very personal story with lots of strong emotions. I think even a non-Superman fan would like this one. Kudos to all the film makers. They succeeded." - Marv Wolfman (Famous for the epic DC Crisis on Infinite Earths series and much more)

"I just saw the film last night, and I have to admit I was more than pleasantly surprised. It took the best of the old films and combined it with the most modern approach to the Superman mythos - that he's a MAN first. And when he is "super," those are some S-kicking scenes! There are some great surprises in the film - stuff we never could have gotten away with - that left me in shock. This one's a winner, gang. Superman has returned." - Joe Kelly (Superman Comic book writer)

"It was like being a six year old kid again seeing SUPERMAN for the first time. The look and feel was perfect, complete with a dedication to Christopher and Dana at the end. I came out of the film remembering why I love the character." - Matthew Clark (Comic book artist)


Does anyone have Geoff John's quotes? He said great things about the film.
 
Hollywoodland, I noticed and then stated that Liefeld's opinion was the same as mine, so therefor it is relevant to the subject being that Liefeld is a comic writer.
 
retconned said:
Hollywoodland, I noticed and then stated that Liefeld's opinion was the same as mine, so therefor it is relevant to the subject being that Liefeld is a comic writer.

Yeah, but you aren't.
 
Retconned, Can you please respect this thread and vacate if you have nothing to contribute.

Thanks for the Understanding.
 
well Waid liked it. although what i want to hear from him are aspects where he thinks the film can be improved on (in other words, parts where he thinks it sucked).

he's a smart writer. i'm sure he knows the movie had its weak points :)
 
WebSpinner said:
Retconned, Can you please respect this thread and vacate if you have nothing to contribute.

Thanks for the Understanding.

Nope, I don't think I can.
 
LOL having Rob Liefield bash anything Comic Book related is like having Ashlee Simpson bash the Beatles. Seriously, having Rob Liefield hate something is like giving it the quality seal of approval. At least Mark Wiad and Marv Wolfman and Joe Kelley have skill in their art form. Poor Rob. :(
 
Geoff Johns (Awesome and popular DC writer of major hits like GL:Rebirth)

I have just gotten home from what was one of the best experiences of my life.

After spending the afternoon with my mentor and former boss, Richard Donner, I had the pleasure of attending the Superman Returns premiere in Westwood tonight, followed by an amazing party afterwards. Hung out with Donner, Dan Didio, Mark Waid, Michael Dougherty and many more on what was one of the greatest nights of my life.

The movie rocks. It's a classic. Bryan and the gang did it so right. They made Donner proud.

And that's not easy to do.

Enjoy it next week,

Geoff




http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29363
 
I just think it should be noted that comics creators ...that also might include directors... would be a bit conservative in stating negative opinions towards this project BECAUSE OF PROFESSIONAL COURTESY.

but then again, itz a good thread, in case somebody out there in the comic-creator universe has anything to say.

i'm all ears...whether it be good or bad
: )

(hey, just coz i hated SR, doesnt mean im not willing to hear out good opinions towards this film. hehehe)
 
Waid loved it, and that's ****ing awesome. That man knows Superman.

Liefeld is known for his (crappy/controversial) art........didn't know he wrote. What's he written??
 
TripXyDE said:
I just think it should be noted that comics creators ...that also might include directors... would be a bit conservative in stating negative opinions towards this project BECAUSE OF PROFESSIONAL COURTESY.

actually, unlike those who work in hollywood, comic book creators are usualy pretty damn honest when it comes to this stuff, and have no problem doing so. their honest opinion really does have no bearing on their work as a professional. its not really an ego driven industry, unlike hollywood.
 
'SUPERMAN RETURNS': THE CREATORS REACT
Learn what your favorite creators thought of the 'Super'-sequel
By Robert Taylor

Posted July 11, 2006 1:15 PM

Bryan Singer's epic has raked in nearly $142 million since debuting and has been greeted by audiences and critics with cheers, but what do your favorite industry pros think about "Superman Returns"? Does the sequel live up to the years of anticipation and hype? Wizard Universe asked. The creators answered.

Be forewarned, spoilers lie ahead!

"Like most comics fans, I have strong memories about seeing 'Superman' for the first time. My dad took me to the film, a bit nervous, I'm sure, to see if his excitable seven-year-old would be capable of sitting through a two-hour plus movie. Dad's nerves were for naught. I ended up dragging my parents to the movie six more times.

"Needless to say, my expectations were high for 'Superman Returns'.

"Full-disclosure time: I did get to read the script and see some rough footage because I wrote two of the DC prequel comics for the film. After reading and seeing what I saw, I was excited and hopeful but who knew? Movies have been known to derail at the last minute.

"So, as the Warner Bros. logo came up on screen at 10 p.m. on Tuesday the 27th of June at the famous Chinese Theatre, my heart was in my throat. And guess what? From the 'whooshing' opening credits until the dedication to Chris and Dana Reeve, 'Superman Returns' made me feel like that awestruck seven-year-old in Ohio so many years ago.

"I might just see it six more times."
Marc Andreyko (writer, Manhunter)

"Because I'm such a fan of 'Superman' and 'Superman II', I was prepared to really dislike this movie...but I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Brandon Routh grew on me as the movie went along, the effects were terrific, and the 'feel' was right.

"My only complaint was the Superman/Luthor relationship, which seemed a bit off to me; almost like they hadn't met before. I wanted more of a sense that the two characters had a history that really created all this animosity."
Adam Beechen (writer, Robin)

"I loved it. It was emotionally pure. It made me care about Superman. Yes, Lois was too young and Superman was Jesus and Lex wasn't acting as smart as he is, but I still liked it very much. Superman's kid should get himself a costume and throw pianos and kill people in every movie. He could call himself The Tuner."
Brian Michael Bendis (writer, New Avengers)

"I sat there the whole time with a big, stupid grin on my face. There was plenty to like: Spacey made a great Luthor, Routh was good as Superman and great as Clark, the plane-saving scene was just stunning. But, for me, it wasn't any individual bits, it was the whole thing. Plus, beyond the adventure, beyond Superman's heroics, seeing Superman's very existence inspire people: Richard turning the plane around, Kitty dumping the crystals without even understanding why...man, that's Superman! I'm ready for more already!"
Kurt Busiek (writer, Superman)

"I have to say, 'Superman Returns' leaves its predecessor in the dust. Contrast the absence of someone as over-the-top as Otis with the presence of Richard White, whom Singer wisely chooses to portray, not as a schmuck, but a heroic individual whom Lois could easily fall in love with. Yes, he's not Superman...but he doesn't have to be.

"Then there's the matter of Lois' son. I mean, let's face it, with all his physical frailty, the writers tried too hard. They went overboard trying to convince us that Jason's father isn't who we all knew he was before seeing a single frame of the film. (Although it sets up an interesting conundrum: Presuming he was conceived during Clark and Lois' assignation in the Fortress-an involvement that Lois would now have no recollection of-basically his presence is the equivalent of an immaculate conception from Lois' point of view.) Nevertheless, the young actor does a marvelous job, the timing of the reveal is nicely done, and the scene toward the end with Superman and the sleeping Jason is, quite simply, the best Superman scene ever committed to film."
Peter David (writer, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man)

"'Superman Returns' was a faithful recreation of the better character elements of the now-classic 'Superman' and 'Superman II' films. Those elements are what gave those films their longevity in the hearts and minds of Superman fans everywhere, and for them I say well done. While I was disappointed that plot-wise, 'Returns' went over largely the same familiar ground as the first two films, there was still a lot to enjoy. Yes, the plane rescue was fun, but that weird and wonderful scene where Jason and Luthor's henchman played the piano together in a moment of truce was a delicious bit of nail-biting suspense."
Paul Dini (writer, Detective Comics)

"For me, 'Superman Returns' should have been called 'Superman Runs Away,' as that was the true theme of the movie.

"Superman ran away from his responsibility to keep Luthor in prison by not testifying at his parole hearing.

"Superman ran away from his responsibility as a father, essentially becoming a deadbeat dad.

"Superman tried desperately to crawl away from Luthor and his minions as they were kicking the stuffing out of him. Not once did he stand up to fight. Was the kryptonite affecting him? Sure. But he still looked like a coward.

"Superman ran away from his responsibility to apprehend Luthor at the end of the film, depriving the audience of the needed reconciliation between the hero and protagonist. Since Luthor stuck a kryptonite shiv in his side, I needed to see some payback.

"Superman ran away from his responsibility to lock the door. In other words, he knew Luthor knew where the Fortress was, yet left it in such a way that anyone could enter. Luthor did so and attained the means to destroy a world. That's like me leaving a few nuclear bombs on Osama's front steps. Who gets blame in the end?

"There were things that made no sense. Superman's kid has superpowers, yet needs an inhaler? Asthma? Allergies? Or maybe he's just a dweeb? Or maybe it was a 'mask' like Clark's glasses? Fine idea, if true, but the director needs it in the film.

"Superman couldn't stand up to Luthor because there was kryptonite on the island? Yet he later lifted the entire island into space, even though he had a shard of kryptonite in his side and there was kryptonite within inches of his face? Huh?

"I thought the psuedo-death scene was a 10-minute throwaway bit that could have been so much more.

"There were some very nice sequences and I thought Brandon Routh made a great Superman, but Lois was wildly miscast. Too many things didn't make sense and the film dragged in spots. Frank Langella lacked the charm Jackie Cooper brought to Perry White.

"Worst of all, it wasn't Superman I saw on the screen. He was more a shadow of what Superman should be."
Dan Jurgens (writer/artist, History of the DC Universe)

"I loved 'Superman Returns.' I loved the young Clark flashback sequence and you can't tell me you didn't get chills the first time you see Superman swoop in to save the day. The visuals alone are worth the price of admission and I am a sucker for Parker Posey.

"Sure, you could nitpick little things here and there, but there are very few movies that you can't do that to.

"Also, I think Brandon Routh was a terrific choice: His portrayal of Clark is eerily close to Christopher Reeve and he is even more imposing than Reeve was as Superman. I hope this movie does well and they make many sequels because I love me some Superman!"
Howard Porter (artist, Trials of Shazam!

"I can remember the evening of June 18, 1981 very well. I took one of the worst beatings of my life, and it was all Superman's fault. For those of you who don't immediately recognize that date, it's the eve of the U.S. bow of 'Superman II.' The film was showing at midnight at some theaters in my hometown, Philadelphia. But, as I wandered into my mother's house after playing softball across the street (bath time!), we heard on the radio that downtown, at the Sam Eric Theater, lucky filmgoers could see 'Superman II' at 10 p.m. if they paid to see the original 'Superman' at 7:30.

"Well, I wanted to do that. Possibly...probably...more than I'd ever wanted to do anything in my entire life. And so I started to fight. And my mom fought back. I got beat up in the hallway. I got beat up in the bathroom. I got beat up and stripped. I got beat up in the bathtub. My head was throbbing from screaming so much as I nearly drowned. I got beat up in the hallway after the bath, and then my mom put my PJs on me while I was still wet. I got beat up in my bed, and then left in the dark.

"But then that fantastic John Williams score rose up inside me, and, like Maya Angelou, still I rose. I limped out into the hallway, hyperventilating, crying...I remember having to check to see if my ear was still attached. Soaking wet, wearing my PJs (Superman Underoos, natch), I limped toward my mom's door as the theme song crescendoed in my mind. People, I was born to see this movie that night. With fists of steel, I banged on her door...

"...and that's where the story ends, true believer, because I was beat so bad I passed out. But I saw 'Superman II' five times on Saturday: all five shows from the theater's door opening to close, despite the ringing in my ear. It was magical and awesome, and worth getting beaten up over.

"I don't know if 'Superman Returns' is the right Superman movie for 2006, when it feels like America should be apologizing to a world that doesn't want its protection. It's slow and romantic, character driven and operatic. It feels, at times, haunted by the ghost of Christopher Reeve. Kate Bosworth is too young. Lex's plan doesn't make much sense. It doesn't revel in the majesty of flight enough. It has a slow first 45 minutes. And it doesn't seem like Superman should be able to do what he does in the climax.

"And yet, I don't care at all. From the opening percussion to the final eye-wink, 'Superman Returns' is a love letter to the kid inside me who spent half his childhood running at top speed with his fists thrust in front of him, believing in flight. It's a return to a beloved character, crafted by a filmmaker confident enough to embrace the strengths of his predecessor instead of raging against them or hiding from them.

"This time, I was there at midnight. I'm too big for anyone to stop me now. But even if someone had tried, this film, like the first two 'Superman' films, was worth getting beaten up over. I can't wait to see more."
Hugh Sterbakov (writer, Freshmen)
Source: http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/000865909.cfm
 
PAUL DINI'S REAL TAKE:

that paul dini quote above was all PR. He wrote down what he really felt on his blog:

http://kingofbreakfast.livejournal.com/31840.html

"Yeah, I saw the new SUPERMAN movie.

Eh, it was okay.

Considering the train wreck it could have been it was outstanding, but as it was, to me at least, it was just okay.

Given Superman's history in comics, movies, radio, television and a dozen other places, I was disappointed that the filmmakers looked only as far as the two movies made in the late 70's for their inspiration. But Superman, both as a character and as an entire concept, is much richer than those films. Clark the bumbler, the barely developed Daily Planet staff (besides Lois), the Superman/Clark/Lois triangle, goddamn wacky Lex and his daffy henchmoll du jour, ugh. Enough. You clowns are spending, when all is said and done, 300 million dollars. Show me something I can't get at the video rental store. Screw the fact THE INCREDIBLES is a cartoon, give me a story that's better than that, because animated or not, THE INCREDIBLES is the new gold standard for superhero movies. SUPERMAN RETURNS was in live-action (partially) and it felt like a cartoon, a flat, boring one. THE INCREDIBLES had characters that were compelling, some cool plot twists, great action sequences, and a villain's plot that, while not the most original, actually made sense. Weren't too many of those elements in SUPERMAN RETURNS.

I liked bits and pieces -- Eva Marie Saint, Brandon Routh, the Smallville flashbacks, Superman seen via a security camera foiling a convenience store robbery, the whole saving the plane sequence. Sweet raisins in a bowl of bland oatmeal.

Then again, I saw it for free, so what right do I have to complain?"
 

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