Official Contest of Marvels II Discussion Thread

Midnight Ice said:
Hey Phaed, good leading!

And about our Harvest VS Kid Omega match, I hope you didn't think I was upset or anything about whether or not Kid Omega could use the X-Men's computers. It really doesn't matter to me either way, especially in this match where as I agree with you that the Phalanx is probably well known. (I am not saying Kid Omega would win though, lol):xmen:

Oh, no...it was no problem. Every once in a while, JH and I discuss the rules, and it was something that needed clarification. It really doesn't effect either of our arguments that much, I believe.
 
Ahura Mazda said:
I will apologise for those statements but i never intended them to be anything personal.

I was using sarcasm to underly an argument which is something I often do. It is never meant as a PERSONAL attack.

And the 100/100 argument which was referring to the 99/100 is nothing but a discussion on how I feel that battle would go. I did not realise that was taken as a personal insult.

I am going to rant on for one second here and be a bit personal. I work in finance and currently, I am a fund manager. My fund manages approximately 2 billion in assets. I am used to negotiating deals over a 100 million. I am not saying this to make myself important, which I am not, I am stating this because if you guys take what I write in these forums as personal, I warn you to be very careful when and if you step into a negotiation involving large sums of money surrounded by lawyers. Negotiations can last for hours and voices will often get raised. It is never personal but it can feel like it at times. Just remember it is always a game, that is all a negotiation or debate is. Just a bit of advice, ignore it if you wish.

Well, like I said, the best way to keep it from being personal is just to review and make sure there aren't any "you" type statements. JH had a vision of the tournament when it began, and the most important rule that (I think) he feels is at the top of all rules is to keep everything civilized. I also understand how in certain work environments we develop a certain personality. I'll give an example too:

When I was a manager to various employees at a retail store, a very good manager taught me much of what he knew. He believed to get the most out of your employees and the people who would sell you product to sell in the store you had to be tough. Sometimes being hard on an employee, he believed, got the most out of them. Basically, I turned into a carbon copy of him. But, many of the employees resented me and didn't really enjoy my company. After him, I went to work for another manager. This one was much different, and I soon learned her approach. After that...another mananger who blended what both of them taught me. Finally, I came back to the original store when that first manager was forced to leave. The employees really didn't welcome me back in complete joy...but, I ended up making many friends when they realized how much I had changed. In fact, my best friend today was an employee I hired during my first run with the company. She loves to say how I was such a dic& before; and, now we spend quite a bit of time together.

Years later, I got divorced, started working for my brother, but needed another part-time job just to make the ends meet with an additional house payment and other things. (Lawyers are real expensive.) I worked for Mervyn's and a manager who I really enjoyed. It seemed that the big-wigs at Mervyn's main office didn't like her style of looking out for her employees; so, they kind of forced her to quit. (She told them if they wanted to cut all benefits for employees and make them part-time, they could tell them.) Another manager came in, and she didn't care a thing about employees, just the bottom line. I basically told her before I quit that the employees and customers make up your store, and that she was extremely hated. She was doing well for the company, but in the end, she's just as replacable as anyone else, and they really didn't care about her. (She did agree with me.)

To be successful in retail right now might demand for her type of management; but, at the cost of your soul, it's not worth it. The company asked me 5 times to be management for them. I refused each time. I let them know I'm not the person they want, because I'd put people before company. I never work for a company, I work for the betterment of a store, the people who work there, and the community around it.

So, in my roundabout way, what I'm saying is that even in your occupation, you make the choices in how you deal with customers and clients. Whether you earn minimum wage or the wages of Bill Gates, it's not about money, but who you are and how you present yourself. Some things are not for sale, and the way people perceive you is one of those things.
 
Phaedrus45 said:
Well, like I said, the best way to keep it from being personal is just to review and make sure there aren't any "you" type statements. JH had a vision of the tournament when it began, and the most important rule that (I think) he feels is at the top of all rules is to keep everything civilized. I also understand how in certain work environments we develop a certain personality. I'll give an example too:

When I was a manager to various employees at a retail store, a very good manager taught me much of what he knew. He believed to get the most out of your employees and the people who would sell you product to sell in the store you had to be tough. Sometimes being hard on an employee, he believed, got the most out of them. Basically, I turned into a carbon copy of him. But, many of the employees resented me and didn't really enjoy my company. After him, I went to work for another manager. This one was much different, and I soon learned her approach. After that...another mananger who blended what both of them taught me. Finally, I came back to the original store when that first manager was forced to leave. The employees really didn't welcome me back in complete joy...but, I ended up making many friends when they realized how much I had changed. In fact, my best friend today was an employee I hired during my first run with the company. She loves to say how I was such a dic& before; and, now we spend quite a bit of time together.

Years later, I got divorced, started working for my brother, but needed another part-time job just to make the ends meet with an additional house payment and other things. (Lawyers are real expensive.) I worked for Mervyn's and a manager who I really enjoyed. It seemed that the big-wigs at Mervyn's main office didn't like her style of looking out for her employees; so, they kind of forced her to quit. (She told them if they wanted to cut all benefits for employees and make them part-time, they could tell them.) Another manager came in, and she didn't care a thing about employees, just the bottom line. I basically told her before I quit that the employees and customers make up your store, and that she was extremely hated. She was doing well for the company, but in the end, she's just as replacable as anyone else, and they really didn't care about her. (She did agree with me.)

To be successful in retail right now might demand for her type of management; but, at the cost of your soul, it's not worth it. The company asked me 5 times to be management for them. I refused each time. I let them know I'm not the person they want, because I'd put people before company. I never work for a company, I work for the betterment of a store, the people who work there, and the community around it.

So, in my roundabout way, what I'm saying is that even in your occupation, you make the choices in how you deal with customers and clients. Whether you earn minimum wage or the wages of Bill Gates, it's not about money, but who you are and how you present yourself. Some things are not for sale, and the way people perceive you is one of those things.

I've never been management but I would say (based on the job I do) the best way to get someone to do something is to make them think it was their idea in the first place. Use suggestion. Yes you have to be tough sometimes but you have to show them the benefit in doing things a certain way. This way they see it as doing something to benefit themselves rather than simply following orders. If you can explain why something must be done most people will be reasonable about it :up:

And if they don't show them the door :cmad: ;)
 
hippy fascist said:
I've never been management but I would say (based on the job I do) the best way to get someone to do something is to make them think it was their idea in the first place. Use suggestion. Yes you have to be tough sometimes but you have to show them the benefit in doing things a certain way. This way they see it as doing something to benefit themselves rather than simply following orders. If you can explain why something must be done most people will be reasonable about it :up:

And if they don't show them the door :cmad: ;)

Hmmm....next time we debate, I'll try that on you: Make you conceed defeat.
 
I just got home, and while I haven't had chance to read the Ahura/Zoken match (I typically read all debates at the end while I vote so it's all fresh in my mind) I do want to remind you guys, and everyone else, to remain gentlemanly. Phaed has done a wonderful job in all that he's said reguarding it, and he hit the nail right on the head when he mentioned the most important part of this tournament is the integrity of how it is played. My favorate quote here at the CoM is that "this is a gentleman's game" and that it will remain. Not only is this a game, it is a place where we can all come and unwind and just have fun. I like it here because I can meet people I never would have other places at the hype and make new friends. And overall, we can all just 'hang out' as if we were all buddies (except Darren Daring, he sucks)

That said, I commend Phaed for how he's handled this problem and if I see something that needs addressed as I read the debate, I'll talk with you guys about it. To Ahura and Zoken, I like you both. I think you both have been a great addition to the tournament this year and I not only want you both to stay with us, but to also have a blast while here. If either of you have any further problems, let me or Phaed know and we will take care of it. That's part of our job.
 
Phaedrus45 said:
Well, like I said, the best way to keep it from being personal is just to review and make sure there aren't any "you" type statements. JH had a vision of the tournament when it began, and the most important rule that (I think) he feels is at the top of all rules is to keep everything civilized. I also understand how in certain work environments we develop a certain personality. I'll give an example too:

When I was a manager to various employees at a retail store, a very good manager taught me much of what he knew. He believed to get the most out of your employees and the people who would sell you product to sell in the store you had to be tough. Sometimes being hard on an employee, he believed, got the most out of them. Basically, I turned into a carbon copy of him. But, many of the employees resented me and didn't really enjoy my company. After him, I went to work for another manager. This one was much different, and I soon learned her approach. After that...another mananger who blended what both of them taught me. Finally, I came back to the original store when that first manager was forced to leave. The employees really didn't welcome me back in complete joy...but, I ended up making many friends when they realized how much I had changed. In fact, my best friend today was an employee I hired during my first run with the company. She loves to say how I was such a dic& before; and, now we spend quite a bit of time together.

Years later, I got divorced, started working for my brother, but needed another part-time job just to make the ends meet with an additional house payment and other things. (Lawyers are real expensive.) I worked for Mervyn's and a manager who I really enjoyed. It seemed that the big-wigs at Mervyn's main office didn't like her style of looking out for her employees; so, they kind of forced her to quit. (She told them if they wanted to cut all benefits for employees and make them part-time, they could tell them.) Another manager came in, and she didn't care a thing about employees, just the bottom line. I basically told her before I quit that the employees and customers make up your store, and that she was extremely hated. She was doing well for the company, but in the end, she's just as replacable as anyone else, and they really didn't care about her. (She did agree with me.)

To be successful in retail right now might demand for her type of management; but, at the cost of your soul, it's not worth it. The company asked me 5 times to be management for them. I refused each time. I let them know I'm not the person they want, because I'd put people before company. I never work for a company, I work for the betterment of a store, the people who work there, and the community around it.

So, in my roundabout way, what I'm saying is that even in your occupation, you make the choices in how you deal with customers and clients. Whether you earn minimum wage or the wages of Bill Gates, it's not about money, but who you are and how you present yourself. Some things are not for sale, and the way people perceive you is one of those things.

That is very sound advice and in many ways a negotiation can be any conversation that occurs between 2 individuals to get to a desired result.

Money by the way is never a goal..it is just a way of keeping score in the game of finance. And on a side note, Bill Gates' wages are not that high.......it is the sale of his shares which actually accounts for his great wealth. He sold shares of Microsoft every day in 2000 just underneath the disclosure limit.

By the way I must agree as well with Hippy but managing people can be very difficult. Even if you do explain, if the money is not quite what they imaginned or you have them working weekends, people can get pretty annoyed :( And often there is no exact formula as everybodies' psychology can be different. Phaed based on how you handle yourself on these boards, there is a good chance you would have done well as a people manager. I think the product would have been secondary. But I can understand you not wanting to take that step.

Anyways after the career and debate intermission maybe we should get back to the basics:

comic book characters! :D

By the way it sucks that there is no debate for the Ares vs Ranark match :(
 
I've been a Receiving Manager and an Office Manager in the past, both retail... and I've been the type who cares more for the employee and customer than the company, and the companes didn't much care for that. My first boss made my life horrendous until I couldn't take it and quit (though respectfully giving a 2 month notice). The second job was the same, except though my district manager was on my butt, my immediate boss was just like me and understood. We actually made a really good team, but sadly, the job didn't pay enough for me to support my wife and two daughters and I had to leave it.

I've had enough of management for a while. Maybe I'll eventually become some type of manager at Home Depot, but not now. I'm counting on my wife making management before me, and she's close :)
 
Well, there will be a side for Ares. I really benefitted with his last miniseries. He finally got the respect he's due. (Now, you're probably wishing they'd do the same for Pluto. I could totally dig a Pluto vs. Ares comic!) Since I'm not in a rush, I'm probably saving it for Monday when I need something to do at work.
 
I miss Star Blazers. I have a few video tapes and a couple DVDs. One day I'll buy the 3 full sets on ebay, I guess; as, they aren't putting them out any longer.
 
I've thought about the old Hulk series; but, from recollection, I don't think I'd enjoy them that much. I would probably like to get The Greatest American Hero complete set, though.

Also, I've never watched it, but after Thanksgiving, Target had Smallville seasons 1-3 for 14.99. I picked them up, but haven't watched them yet. I just keep hearing good things about that show.
 
Phaedrus45 said:
Well, there will be a side for Ares. I really benefitted with his last miniseries. He finally got the respect he's due. (Now, you're probably wishing they'd do the same for Pluto. I could totally dig a Pluto vs. Ares comic!) Since I'm not in a rush, I'm probably saving it for Monday when I need something to do at work.


I doubt a mini series for Pluto would ever happen as he is never likely to become a permanent resident of Earth and in Hades I doubt there would be much of a story line ;)

By the way, I don't quite get how they made him an evil character as in mythology he never was evil in the comic book sense. He certainly never envisaged dethroning Zeus.
 
Ahura Mazda said:
I doubt a mini series for Pluto would ever happen as he is never likely to become a permanent resident of Earth and in Hades I doubt there would be much of a story line ;)

By the way, I don't quite get how they made him an evil character as in mythology he never was evil in the comic book sense. He certainly never envisaged dethroning Zeus.

Hades has always been misunderstood like that. He was never an evil god, but since he is similar to Lucifer in certain ways people have latched on to him being evil as well.
 
ky & Hellstormer, I shall definitely get my debates up today (in case you were worried about me :woot: :csad: ) :up: (hopefully soon) :yay:
 
Phaedrus45 said:
I've thought about the old Hulk series; but, from recollection, I don't think I'd enjoy them that much. I would probably like to get The Greatest American Hero complete set, though.

Also, I've never watched it, but after Thanksgiving, Target had Smallville seasons 1-3 for 14.99. I picked them up, but haven't watched them yet. I just keep hearing good things about that show.


Greatest American Hero...

*wipes tear from eye*

Good times. Good times.
 
Iceman/Psylocke said:
ky & Hellstormer, I shall definitely get my debates up today (in case you were worried about me :woot: :csad: ) :up: (hopefully soon) :yay:
DOn't even worry about it ;)
 
Hey guys,

I need some help. If any one of you can get a copy of Magician Apprentice #3 (gotta be a first printing, not the second printing that comes out next week), I will either pay you or send you a nice collection of comics to make up for it. I cannot find this comic on milehigh or mycomicshop or ebay. I'm desperate.
 
Just a reminder, after voting is finished this week, we are having a bye-week. So, Dec. 22 - Dec. 28, nothing will be happening, besides any discussions we have in this thread. After that, for those interested in looking ahead, the following people have matches taking place betwen Dec. 29 - Jan. 4:

Wolverine25th, Wiegeabo = 4
Trigger, *Midnight Ice, DarkHellRider, Powderman = 3
Phaedrus45, Harlekin, Zoken = 2
Darthphere, Kytrigger, Ahura Mazda, Hippy Fascist, Hellstormer, JewishHobbit = 1
Iceman/Psylocke = 0

(A "*" by your name indicated two of your characters facing each other.)

If you think you won't be around for debating during the second part of the holiday, you can PM me your opening debate; and, when the matches get posted, I'll post your debate.
 

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