Discussion in 'Iron Man 2' started by Thread Manager, Jan 28, 2011.
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It's okay. It's decent. I didn't ask for my money back.
But the essential truth is that Iron Man 2 is a potboiler. It's pure product. Very professional, but no heart like the first movie. This is a super-sleek conveyor belt blockbuster that cashes in on the popularity of the first movie and sets the audience up for the Marvel movies to come.
The storyline is a big, big mess. It's a jumble of ideas rather than a focused story. There are so many plotlines going on that either continue from the first movie, set up the next movie, set up future Marvel movies, or all of the above, that there is barely time for this one to have any identity of its own. Iron Man 2 ends up being more-or-less a comedy with some great CGI work. Downey riffs with everyone, but he shouldn't still be doing it by the supposedly exciting climax when lives, including his, are in danger. But that's the tone of the thing.
Iron Man 2, more than anything, reminds me of Lethal Weapon 4. It's essentially a cast reunion, with some brand new actors to show off, some impressive action to look at, and a token attempt at a story.
Iron Man 2 is amusing but an absolute waste of potential. When many superhero sequels are superior to their originals, IM2 seems very lazy and half-assed.
It's quite sad to realise that the Iron Man franchise has (very likely) already had it's finest moment, and that was two and a half years ago.
You know everything you said is true. I loved, loved IM and I can't say the same for IM2 sadly.
Not a bad movie, it was still entertaining but it failed to do a lot of things it set out to do.
Spot on, KR.
It was good. Felt too much like an Avengers set-up at times, but good nonetheless. The first is still the best.
I have high hopes for a post avengers iron man 3 thats simply allowed to be an iron-man movie.
Yup to all of this.
Superhero sequels being inferior to the originals is quite common actually. Supes 2, TDK, Batman Returns, HellBoy 2, Blade 2, etc. all have that in common with IM2. And the few that did improve(X2, Spidey 2) did so because the 1st was frankly easy to top, not because they themselves were stellar in any way. All IMO, of course. In fact sequels of any kind being superior to the originals is still extremely rare. I can't even think of one offhand but I'm sure they exist.
TDK is superior to Batman Begins. You may not think so, but general consensus is that it's superior.
Since when does general consensus mean anything conclusive? IMO, BB is the only Batman film worth watching and TDK is a load of contrived crap. I found that, while inferior to IM1, IM2 was a quality sequel much in the same way Aliens or T2 were quality sequels that didn't quite live up to the originals.
Are you arguing for you personally or trying to state for a fact that the others didn't improve? TDK is way more popular than BB (and I feel TDK is vastly superior).
IM1 for me was a 4/5. Awesome, but it has a few flaws in the 3rd Act for me. IM2 is more like a 3/5 film. It's entertaining and I have fun watching it, but could have and should have been more and has some problems that are very bothersome (like the final fight).
I'm not argueing at all, just stating an opinion. To me, IM1 was damn near a 5/5 movie. The only film in my life I've ever seen that I'd say was better is Jaws, which is my all time favorite movie. I'd give IM2 a 4/5.
Again, popularity does not mean a movie is better. Nor does box office. If that was the case then TF2 is one of the best films ever made.
There are however objective things one can analyze in regards to story, plot and such. BB had a good story that held up well on it's own without many WTF? moments. TDK has oodles of those kinds of moments which indicates bad writing and story. I could go ahead and list them all but I really shouldn't have to. They've been mentioned all over the place on the net, all you need to do is look them up. I'd give BB a 4/5 and TDK a 1.5/4.
I've probably only watched this film twice since it's been out on Blu-ray/DVD.
Me too. Spider-Man 2 is another sequel better than the original. Blade 2 as well.
I've seen Blade 1 & 2 before and while I can't hardly remember anything about Blade 2(bad sign) I can easily remember Blade 1 from begining to end and I haven't seen it in 10 years. That's why I prefer it in that case.
With Spidey films, I think Spidey 2 is overall the more consistent and even of the 2 movies and thus on the whole it is the better film. But I remember enjoying the 1st half of Spidey1 far more than I enjoyed the whole film of SM2. But then, SM1 has the bad 2nd half which brings it overall score down below SM2's.
Just have to reiterate how incredible of a post this is.
Its exactly how I felt and I think a lot of other fans of the first IM felt with IM2.
Lets hope Black can maybe add some much needed attention to story more than anything for IM3.
I agree that IM2 was not as good as the first, but the way some people talk about it, it's a much better film that those that like to poo, poo it.
IM2 isnt poo poo, its just really sub par.
Depends on what 'par' you're talking about. Sub par for an Iron Man movie based on how well the first went? Yes. Sub par among the superhero genre of films? Uh, no. Not even close.
Yeah sub par for superhero movies. Not good, not bad. Average at best.
Recently watched Iron Man 2 again(I have a huge gallery of movies, but never bought the Iron Man films until a week ago, lol...shame on me I suppose). Now, even though Iron Man 2 was nowhere near the first one, it had its moments and it was just a fun ride. Were there things in the film that I could nag about? Yes, mostly with Rhodes(I wanted Howard!!!), but, I thought the movie was an amazing film, and not a poor film from Marvel Studios.
I understand that they wanted to build up the Avengers storyline and they did such, but you can very much feel an Iron Man story in this film as well, that was fleshed out. The whole "legacy" theme went through and through, and I was enjoyed by the Ivan Vanko storyline. Sure, the final match was a bit too fast, but if you think about it, the Ivan battle started as soon as the drones went crazy as they were commanded by Ivan himself. He seemed like a genius in the film, although why he decided to make his suit look like Obadiah's, I have no idea.
My questions from after this movie? Will Justin Hammer be back. Now, I don't think his threat to Potts will come to fruition, as it more or less scared Pepper(which could be a factor on why she resigned...but, besides that, will we ever hear Virginia or is Pepper her name in the series? Lol), but I believe Hammer could play a part with the Ten Rings storyline.