Discussion in 'Iron Man 2' started by Immortalfire, Apr 19, 2010.
you catch on more than you admit.
Agreed, it was intense and you could really see how each guy felt justified.
Just to put it in perspective; currently the fans here at SHH have rated IM2 at 9.18...
My review...I haven't seen it at all, but when I do I will love it because it's another Marvel movie and another step towards building the Marvel Universe on screen. I will love every cameo and easter egg I can find and I will have an even harder time waiting til next year for Thor and Cap and til 2012 for Avengers. I don't have to see it to know I'll love it and I think most of you here are in the same boat. I don't get the whining about too much extra non-Iron Man stuff in it...I thought it was a clear plan by Marvel to set up their universe...but hey, that's just like my opinion, man
Everyone take notice the of the new announcement at the top of the page regarding spoilers - posting here as well for anyone who missed it.
You're free to talk about anything from the movie, just try to use the spoiler tags whenever possible until next week when the movie is in release everywhere.
I'd give it an 8.75, rounded up to a 9. I'd agree with most of the IGN review. There are a few minor nitpicks, but very minor. It'll never be able to replicate the novelty and freshness of the first film, but it's a great film nonetheless.
Now that my one fear has been relinquished by The VileOne, which villian does
Tony take down? Whiplash or Hammer?
Both Tony and Rhodey take down WHiplash in a very lame fight that doesn't even last 1 minute.
Hammer isn't a villain per se. Or better yet he's not an immediate threat to Tony. His downfall is the fact that he puts blind faith in Vanko which backfires on him because he can't control the drones.
What I loved the most was that while they couldn't go full throttle on the
Demon in a Bottle storyline, Theroux's script managed to have a drunk Tony being very dangerous inside the armor. And I loved that Rhodes was there to step up and try to stop him !
So question, is there an actual music score, or hero's theme this time, or is it more of that lame guitar riff?
This is the third time I've tried posting a response here. SHH is laggy like hell for whatever reason.
Either way, I put 8/10, which is what I would give the first movie as well. Overall I loved it, but the film is more uneven than its predecessor. The story is a bit convoluted, and I sort of found myself feeling Nick Fury didn't belong in there... but overall I felt it was quite good and a lot of fun.
No hero's theme. To be fair though the first film had a hero's theme. People might not have liked it, but it was there.
I didn't notice anything resembling a recurring theme in this... maybe the sappy stuff used for the more emotional scenes...
That sucks. He needs a great theme like Superman, Batman and Spider-man... that to me always makes a superhero film more classic and less contemporary. It's what elevates a hero from B-level like Fantastic Four to the top tier.
I always thought the one thing the Fantastic Four movies got perfectly right was a great heroic theme. *shrugs*
The only person I feel didn't really belong was Coulson if not for you know what.
I barely remember it. Granted, I've only seen it twice, and the score was the least of its problems.
Spoiler Free review. Just got back from seeing Iron Man 2. My review is as follows.
Firstly, let me say that I found the first film to be awesome, perhaps a little over praised but still a solid foundation to develop a good franchise. Iron Man 2 starts off with a bang, but unfortunately ends with a wimpier. Seriously, I'm pissed this is the best that was offered.
As I sat through the first 40 or so minutes of the film my initial reaction was 'Man, I'm not sure what the critics were on about', the story was solid, the pace good, Stark was charming and charismatic, the villain a genuine threat to Iron Man, the action sequences great, it's was an Iron Man film.
Then something weird happens, the air gets sucked out of the movie, it seems to forget what exactly it was doing, it turns into a mish mash of, well something. Iron Man seems to just disappear, Tony no longer seems to be doing anything particular, Whiplash becomes a glorified mechanic, and the whole Nick Fury/Avengers stuff is horribly stuffed in for no justifiable reason. Iron Man 2 annoyingly stops doing what it started, there's no more threat to Iron Man or for anyone else for that matter, it becomes a big ball of 'meh', the story breaks down, the action dries up, it's like they just put the breaks on.
RDJ is probably the saviour of this film, without him in the lead I have no doubt this film would be received worse than what it currently is. He brings his A game here thankfully and is the best thing about the movie, you can't help but take notice when he's on screen. His interactions with Gwyneth Paltrow are the best scenes in the film, both of them play off each other nicely.
Micky Rourke as Whiplash starts out great, as I said he was a genuine threat in that first act, but then becomes nothing more than a secondary character that doesn't do a hell of a lot else throughout the rest of the film, it's a wasted character. It's a real shame that the character wasn't allowed to be developed further, an opportunity missed here for Whiplash to be one of the great superhero movie villains.
Scarlett Johannson may as well not even be in this film. Black Widow serves no purpose to the story other than to fight a bunch of dudes at the end and and somehow become an instant expert in how to reboot War Machine's suit. She's just kinda 'around' and probably gets less screen time than Jon Favreau does (what's up with that Jon?).
Don Cheadle is fine, wouldn't say he better than Terrence Howard but he's not worse, the character as a whole doesn't really do much other than partner Stark at the end.
I'll give props to Sam Rockwell, he's a joy to watch and you can tell he really laps up the role as Hammer, but again, he's not really threatening or menacing for than matter.
A shout out to Garry Shandling, that guy is hilarious in just about anything, he's quite funny in the few minuets he's on screen.
The action, well it's limited, there's the Monaco Race sequence which is great to watch, and the finale, and that's about it, the only other time Iron Man shows up is when he and Rhodey duke it out at Stark's birthday party. For all the talk of not enough Batman in TDK, there's a distinct lack of Iron Man in this film, I'm certain this will be a complaint. The big boss finale, well anti-climatic can best sum it up.
The Avengers thing is a real annoyance, it is forced into the film for no other reason than to promote what's coming up, it serves as a 15 mins commercial that only comic fans will get, those who are unaware of the Avengers coming up will no doubt be baffled as to who the hell Sam Jackson is and what the hell he is doing here. There's no introduction for the many who weren't aware of his end of credit cameo in film one, nor does he do anything vital, he just appears (Note to Marvel: the majority of the audience don't follow these films as closely as us, think about that). It does nothing but waste time and slow the pace of the film further, time which could have been better spent on continuing with what was started.
Overall, Iron Man is an oddity, it's not bad, it's just we deserved something better than what we got, the first 40 mins was exactly what the rest of the film should have been. I don't know what went wrong but my suspicions are that Marvel was too focused on setting up the Avenger rather than focusing on Iron Man, in which case this film should have called Iron Man 2: Prelude to the Avengers. It seems like Favreau has no say in this film except act one, that's where the film feels like he's firmly in control, after that it becomes Marvel's movie. It won't rank next to the likes of TDK, or X2 or S-M2, anybody going into the theatre thinking this will be up there with the great sequels best leave that line of thought at the ticket counter. My best advice is to soak up the first act of the film because the rest is a let down. I'll be generous and give this 7/10.
I saw Iron Man 2 today, and loved it.
they really introduced alot of elements that will help weave the marvel universe together. it felt like it was touching a much larger story, leading into a much bigger story but still maintaining its own, iron man story. the effects were great and the actors were solid.... except justin hammer. i didnt like him, a bit too much improv allowed for him i think.
mickey rourke was awesome. he gave the story alot of credibility. hes such a good actor i bought his performance totally. same with RDJ, hes not just the wise cracker anymore, hes showing alot more depth this time round.
Jackson was a different Fury than i was expecting, hes awesome. cant wait to see him jumping out of a chopper with a big gun in the avengers films. he nailed fury
scarjo wasnt as great as i hoped. she looked like a knock out but she stumbled over the dialogue a bit, but her action and black widow persona was great.
and the after the credits scene just tied it together really well, such an awesome way to end it
The John Ottman theme in Fantastic Four was probably one of the highlights in that dense story. He also did X2, he's a good composer. Yeah, I don't quite remember Iron Man's theme... they should definitely get Hans Zimmer, but I'd say that about any theme.
I would like to make one comment about Iron Man 2, and people's expectations being let down. The reason why Iron Man 2 is not highly praised is because of Iron Man 1. If you notice, everyone compares the sequel directly to Iron Man 1, and because it's not as much of a surprise, and not as good of film, that means Iron Man 2 is bad? The thinking of this is all wrong, just because it's not as good as Iron Man, doesn't mean it's a bad film. I'll give you an example. X1 wasn't that highly praised, and it wasn't that amazing, and because it wasn't that amazing, when X2 was released everyone was blown away by it's awesomeness. So, obviously X2 is highly praised, because it's much better then the first. I think this line of thinking is extremely flawed. Judge a movie by the movie, not by it's predecessor, which is exactly what everyone is doing.
Thing about ScarJo/Black Widow was I found it sort of awkward when she was hanging around in her BW outfit for no good reason.
the diner scene and the following bit at Stark's place just felt odd. You had this dude in a stylized leather coat and an eye patch, and a hot chick in a tight fitting lycra suit walking around wearing this stuff like it was the most normal thing in the world. I know that's how it is in the comics, but it didn't really work for me.
I don't understand how some here say this is very good,but not as good as Ironman,to me going by that shouldn't that mean that the movie is as good as it but not better than it? I think love is too much of a big thing to say if this isn't as goof as Ironman or better. It strikes me as odd.
And I think the fact that the Avengers build up taking up too much time in the movie is silly,since it's one story out of a bunch of ones that are different. I assume that the real reason for that is that it's drawn out when it shouldn't be.
It still drops the ball even if you do judge it on it's own merits. This issue isn't so much that it doesn't live up to it's predecessor, from a pure story telling perspective it just gets it wrong.
dude thats what normal is for fury and shield, theyre beyond top secret, they always had the agents around them and always commente on the perimeter being locked down. mind you they are talking to a guy with a reactor in his chest who flies around in a metal suit
i liked both 1 and 2 the same, just that number one stands alone as an iron man story. 2 is much more of a iron man building to be in the avengers. theres much more going on and needing to be established.
2 is good, dont listen to us nerds, go and see it and judge for yourself.