I love Theodens musings as he gets ready for the battle at Helms Deep... "where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountain..."
One of my most anticipated movie moment ever, and it was even better then I could have ever imagined.
From the moment the Fellowship leaves Rivendell there is so much unadulterated greatness it is hard to contain. And it is cut and put together so well. It is also infinitely quotable. I think the only movies I know more line for line is ESB, P&P and maybe TDK.
I love Theodens musings as he gets ready for the battle at Helms Deep... "where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountain..."
Helm Deep hasn't aged quite as well, but it is still so impressive. I think though, in terms of battles my favorites are either the Balrog/Gandalf opening to TTT, Aragorn vs. the Nazgul at Weathertop, the entire Moria sequence, or the battle at Amon Hen.
The battle at Amon Hen might take it just for how much I love the interpretation of each of the four warriors in action. It is Legolas at his most reserved and thus most believable. Just so badass. Gimli just hits things and doesn't look so utterly out matched like he does in other scenes. Aragorn shows some true skill, while still showing his human limitations.
What's up with all the tracked music in the Hobbit?
I saw the Hobbit today, and the score as heard in the film is a complete mess. There's tracked music from all three LOTR films all throughout the film in moments that are wildly inappropriate to the thematic continuity Shore created. Huge chunks of the Hobbit score as heard on album are missing.
With so much care given to the music in LOTR, what the heck happened here?!
I have seen An Unexpected Journey today, and to make it short, the way Howard Shore's beautiful music was presented and used and edited was absolutely abysmal.
I don't know if Mr. Jackson or any of the editors realise it, but the music means a great deal to many of the viewers, and not just to Lord of the Rings or Tolkien fans, but average film fans as well.
This movie lacks trust in the composer's work, and severely so. Otherwise it would be inexplicable why so many cues were edited the way they were.
The inclusions of direct quotes and tracking from all over the Lord of the Rings trilogy, when similarily great music was written by Howard Shore, took me out of the film several times. That usage of themes throws thematic continuity right out the window, something that was always one of Howard Shore's strongest abilities in this Tolkien film series.
Some of the strongest moments on album - not there at all. "The Adventure Begins", first half gone. "The World Is Ahead", mostly gone. "A Good Omen", almost entirely gone. "Riddles In The Dark", mostly gone. The choir in "Radagst The Brown", gone. The dramatic bits of "The Hill of Sorcery", gone. The first minutes of "The White Council", gone. Some of "Brass Button", gone. The middle part of "Over Hill", gone
And in their place isn't even new music most of the time. How the Riddles in the Dark sequence began, with direct lifting of the Ring theme from Fellowship (yes, those Ring variations on album are all gone!), and Gollum's menace and pity themes tracked in, like, six times in a row, that drove me mad right in my seat. Really, they must have used every cimbalon statement of his theme there is in Lord of the Rings.
Not even the haunting chorus from the end of "Brass Buttons" is there. Then, in all honesty, The Breaking Of The Fellowship is used in the scene when Gandalf talks about Bilbo giving him courage. That didn't match the pacing at all. Then, my god, the worst musical moment as far as continuity is concerned is when Thorin attacks Azog with the Nazgul music behind him. That was so unbelievably awkward for someone knowing the music a bit.
Then there was the direct reusing of "Master Peregrin's Plan" from Two Towers, followed by an absolutely out of place statement of Gondor Reborn. Jesus. I think it is even a re-recording because the french horn counterpoint is not there.
What is this new devilry?
Out of all the things I was worried about going into this film, frame rate, pacing, the music was the least of my worries.
Bilbo's theme is cut almost entirely from the film!
The Nature variations at the end are really breathtaking, but at that point, the music took me out of the film a dozen times already.
The coup de grace at the end is
that the music is removed completely from the final shots of zooming in on the Lonely Mountain and Smaug opening his eye.
I have no idea what was going on behind the scenes, if the amount of rearranging affected the score so much that there wasn't enough time to properly rescore it, but that seems unlikely because you could have simply left the pieces as they are and not lose anything.
Whether Mr. Jackson realises it or not, music is a major part of these films, and for the way it is treated in An Unexpected Journey by editors and the director, the term "careless" is the mildest one.
I expect a better treatment in The Desolation Of Smaug, and many others as well.
As someone who has seen the film Its not quite LOTR but your still in MiddleEarth type of deal. Think of The Hobbit in a time where Sauron had not regained most of his former strength. Its simply suppose to be about an adventure within middle earth but there is not quite any world ending danger.
In the Hobbit you get rumbles of evil and things are coming but really The Hobbit for me had a feel of an adventure before the time of darkness and the Ring waking up.
Is this a joke? This can't be serious. If this is true, how can anyone defend Jackson on this? Why do this? It make no sense whatsoever. This is simply attempting to us the emotions associated with those themes from their original scenes.
As someone who has seen the film Its not quite LOTR but your still in MiddleEarth type of deal. Think of The Hobbit in a time where Sauron had not regained most of his former strength. Its simply suppose to be about an adventure within middle earth but there is not quite any world ending danger.
In the Hobbit you get rumbles of evil and things are coming but really The Hobbit for me had a feel of an adventure before the time of darkness and the Ring waking up.
How familiar are you with the themes and scores from LOTR? Because if you are anything like me or my brother (who studies music), you will be able to tell.
Ive seen that clip of The riddles in the dark and I can say that I noticed the reuse of the theme from LOTR and it was somewhat annoying but it fit the scene so it wasnt a problem. The use of the Nazgil theme when Thorin attacks Azog will most certainly annoy me tho. Anytime music gets reused for scenes that hold no relation to the them of the music it yanks me out of a film. Think Trade Federation theme in the PT.
Ive seen that clip of The riddles in the dark and I can say that I noticed the reuse of the theme from LOTR and it was somewhat annoying but it fit the scene so it wasnt a problem. The use of the Nazgil theme when Thorin attacks Azog will most certainly annoy me tho. Anytime music gets reused for scenes that hold no relation to the them of the music it yanks me out of a film. Think Trade Federation theme in the PT.
Sometimes Clips are cut short and slightly different then in movie time. POTC had familure tunes in it in all there movies. The Hobbit likely has this same concept. I am sure there is some new music as well. The dwarfs singing was best music part.
Sometimes Clips are cut short and slightly different then in movie time. POTC had familure tunes in it in all there movies. The Hobbit likely has this same concept. I am sure there is some new music as well. The dwarfs singing was best music part.
No one is saying there isnt new music. Just that chuncks of the new music wasnt used and was replaced by tracked music. Have you listened to the score release of the hobbit? If you havent you would be less likely to notice the new musics absence.
Ive seen that clip of The riddles in the dark and I can say that I noticed the reuse of the theme from LOTR and it was somewhat annoying but it fit the scene so it wasnt a problem. The use of the Nazgil theme when Thorin attacks Azog will most certainly annoy me tho. Anytime music gets reused for scenes that hold no relation to the them of the music it yanks me out of a film. Think Trade Federation theme in the PT.
You know that really mars that otherwise stirring scene? The needless cuts to Eowyn and Merry screaming annoyingly. It should have played out like the famous scene from Zulu which clearly inspired it, but their stupid faces and shrill screaming pours cold water on the building atmosphere.
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