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Yes, the chance for Shore to return to Middle Earth has always been one of the biggest pluses with this project for me. His Lord of the Rings is a complete and utter masterpiece.
Whoa. In general, it was excellent, but the rising "heroic" theme was repetitive and derivative, while the twee pan pipes of Hobbiton were simply nauseating.

His Moria theme was dazzling, though...
 
I still stand by this. A Scotland-filmed Hobbit would be breathtaking.
 
Sure would. Extend your horizons to the rest of the British Isles, and you could film a tremendously varied landscape.
 
I lived in Scotland for a few years and I agree, I think it would look amazing as Middle Earth.
 
God DAMNIT. Just listen to this.

Guillermo Del Toro said:
See, some tricks are easy. I wish The Hobbit had been filmed, I wish it had gone, because then I would tell you I did something – I'm not sure that the design will stay that way – but I came up with a thing for Smaug that has never been done, ever. I know every dragon ever made – that has never been done. I'm not sure the Smaug that will stay is that one, but when everything is said and done, you know, when the third volume comes out [laughing] and we meet again and the movie's out, I'll tell you they did it or not and I'll tell you what the trick was. It's a very simple thing, but it's never been done before. So, you know, I think that is not hard, when you are immersed in this thing, you can find ways of rendering these creatures in a different light. And it's not that hard.

(Skip to 6:30) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfQNdQjvX5M

PJ, you better keep it. I swear to God.
 
Yeah, I just thought about that too. I hope Jackson keeps some of Del Toro's designs. Or at least Smaug.

Imagine what Del Toro could have done with the three trolls.
 
Seriously. Just look at some of GDT's past comments regarding creature design:

(Regarding the creatures in general, with a specific mention of the Wargs)
"I also wanted some of the monsters in The Hobbit to be majestic. I wanted the Wargs to have a certain beauty so that you don't have a massively clear definition: what is beautiful is good and what is ugly is not. Some of the monsters are absolutely gorgeous. The way I phrased it to Weta, I said we would keep the DNA in the same gene pool as the Rings trilogy, but that we would generate a different type of character. For example, in the trilogy most of the creatures are brutish or inarticulate. In The Hobbit, the creatures speak: Smaug has beautiful lines of dialogue; the Great Goblin has beautiful lines of dialogue; many creatures do. So we had to design them with a different approach because you are not just designing things that are scary."

(Regarding the Mirkwood Spiders)
"They are visually quite striking and in a different way to Shelob," he explains. "They are more creatures of the shadow, more creatures of the deep forest… Our spiders have to feel massive but be very nimble."

(Regarding Smaug)
"I wish The Hobbit had been filmed, I wish it had gone, because then I would tell you I did something – I'm not sure that the design will stay that way – but I came up with a thing for Smaug that has never been done, ever. I know every dragon ever made – that has never been done. I'm not sure the Smaug that will stay is that one, but when everything is said and done, you know, when the third volume comes out and we meet again and the movie's out, I'll tell you they did it or not and I'll tell you what the trick was. It's a very simple thing, but it's never been done before. So, you know, I think that is not hard, when you are immersed in this thing, you can find ways of rendering these creatures in a different light. And it's not that hard."

"The bulk of the design took about a year, solid. It’s because of the unique features of the dragon," he explained. "Early in production I came up with a very strong idea that would separate Smaug from every other dragon ever made. The problem was implementing that idea. But I think we’ve nailed it."

"I think one of the designs I'm the proudest of is Smaug. Obviously he took the longest. Early in production I came up with a very strong idea that would separate Smaug from every other dragon ever made. The problem was implementing that idea. But I think we've nailed it. I cannot tell you what it was because it would be a massive spoiler! But I’m 100 per cent happy with Smaug. If there is such as thing as 110 per cent, then I’m there!"


Goddamn. He says all the right things.

Now, my understanding is that while GDT had final say in the designs, the designing process was collaborative between GDT and Peter Jackson (along with Alan Lee, John Howe, and Mike Mignola). It being a collaborative effort, I'm assuming that they had thorough discussions about each design - what worked, what didn't, etc - and that each of them had input. So while GDT had the final say, I imagine that each final design was agreed upon by the two of them.

So if the design process was collaborative, how much will PJ ultimately change? Will we be seeing the new, majestic Wargs, or will we get the return of the Hyena-like creatures of TTT? Will we be seeing the "massive but nimble" Mirkwood Spiders, or miniature Shelobs? And above all, will we be see the groundbreaking Smaug which had our former director "110% happy", or will PJ opt for a different design altogether?

Honestly, I hope that the majority of GDT's designs make it into the final film. But I recognize that PJ is the director now, and he is not obligated to stick to designs that he may not be fully behind. However, at the very least, I truly hope PJ keeps GDT's Smaug 100% intact. Just listening to him gush about the design, hinting at a secret that has never been done before with talking dragons, makes the hair on my neck stand up. I truly believe that, more than any other design, THIS was the one that was going to leave us stunned in our seats.
 
I think Jackson will recognize these issues of GDT's designs and their reasoning behind them, because man, GDT knows what he's talking about.
 
I think a lot of GDT's concepts will be used, because PJ will be conscious that he has to provide his audience with something new. And, although I must admit that everything GDT said was exactly what I would have wanted him to say, experience proves that good intentions are sometimes difficult to bring to fruition.
 
The budget is much bigger so perhaps not? Or are you talking with Jackson's ideas that he could bring?
 
I hope the wargs are less hyena like. they were cool but alltogether unwargish for me.
 
Well one thing is for sure out of all this ******** that's happened for years... we're gonna get AWESOME behind the scenes appendicies on it all. :awesome::woot:
 
Just head on over to TheOneRing.net's main page. Talk about a cluster****.

All signs seem to point to The Hobbit leaving New Zealand.
 
Damn, lots of news for one day! I'm hoping that they can at least work out a deal to shoot the Hobbiton scenes in New Zealand, seeing as it's already constructed.
 
As nice as it would be to see the Shire & what not be filmed there again they tried to screw The Hobbit. But then that back fired badly as Alfred would say with what the Joker would say

"Watch the New Zealand Film Industry burn"

They ****ed up & it should cost them
 
Yep, no sympathy from me. New Zealand screwed the pooch on this one. Time to take Bilbo and Company on the road.

Scotland would be perfect in my opinion.
 
According to Fran Walsh, when NZ Actors Equity was asked two days ago about why the blacklist hasn't been lifted, their response was, "We don't feel like it."

Wow. These are the kind of people WB, Jackson and Company have been dealing with :dry:.

And Walsh is right. If the blacklist had been lifted, a message would have gone out on all of these actors unions' webites notifying their members. Yet, you go the the SAG website, and the blacklist is still issued.

Honestly, I understand why WB is considering moving. Who would risk losing millions of dollars in an unstable, unsafe work environment? They've already lost millions because of this union cluster****. WB is doing what any other business would do in a similar situation: protecting their investment.

I truly admire NZ for what they did with LoTR, but in light of this situation, Ireland and Scotland get my vote.
 
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The WB should really just leave. It will be the end of Big Hollywood Blockbusters filming there & probably anything Movie related once so ever & then New Zealand will cry to The Hobbit people
 
I got this from TheOneRing.Net's message boards.

Independent journalist Russell Brown has a clear breakdown of exactly where NZEA has gone wrong with The Hobbit fiasco and its representation in general of actors.

His comments about the Irish union's efforts vs the NZ union's actions are rather eye-opening.

http://publicaddress.net/6916#post6916
Great article.
 
Variety said:
'The Hobbit' boycott comes to an end
Actors union in New Zealand back New Line/WB pics
By PAMELA MCCLINTOCK


Middle Earth may stay in Middle Earth after all.

After a tense standoff, a new actors union in New Zealand announced early Thursday (local time) it won't boycott Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit," from New Line/Warner Bros. and MGM.

"New Zealand Actors' Equity and the Screen Production & Development Association (SPADA) have entered into an agreement to commence good faith negotiations for a new set of conditions which will govern the way in which performers are engaged in the local screen industry," read a statement from the groups.

"Talks are to take place over the next six months. As a sign of good faith, while negotiations occur, Equity has agreed that those productions which fully comply with the current guidelines for the engagement of cast in the industry--'The Pink Book"-- will not be subject to industrial action," unions continued.

Statement was issued only hours after Jackson and his producing partner Fran Walsh indicated they are ready to move "The Hobbit" out of New Zealand entirely because of the threatened boycott.

"Next week Warner Bros. is coming down to New Zealand to make arrangements to move the production off-shore," Jackson said in a joint release with Fran Walsh, with whom he is producing the two "Hobbit" films.

But insiders stressed that New Line and parent co. Warner Bros., who are partnering with MGM on the two "Hobbit" pics, have yet to decide whether they will indeed move the production to another country.

On Sept. 24, SAG and half a dozen actors unions advised its members to boycott "The Hobbit" due to a dispute between producers and New Zealand Equity, which is alleging that local performers are treated unfairly and deserve a union contract.

In a separate statement, the New Zealand union called on all international performance unions to call off their own boycotts of "Hobbit" in an "effort to re-establish" stability in the New Zealand film industry.

Jackson said the dispute with actors' unions has "undermined Warner Brothers' confidence in New Zealand as a stable employment environment," and that the studio is "very concerned about the security of their $500 million investment."

In a separate interview with New Zealand National Radio, Walsh suggested the production could move to the same studio in the U.K. where the "Harry Potter" pics were shot.

"There is the Harry Potter studio there that they say would be perfect for us," Walsh said.

Jackson and Walsh's statement provoked an angry response from the Helen Kelly, prexy of the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions.

Kelly also suggested "Hobbit" producers want to move the production to another country for tax credit reasons, not because of union issues.

Walsh denied this claim.
Source: http://www.variety.com/article/VR11...adlines+(Variety+-+Latest+News)#ixzz12wXZ1xfn

A statement from the Screen Actors Guild:

SAG said:
“Today, our sister union New Zealand Actors Equity issued a statement recommending all international performer unions rescind their member advisories on the feature film production The Hobbit. In light of this recommendation, Screen Actors Guild will be alerting its members that they are now free to accept engagements, under Screen Actors Guild contract terms and conditions, on The Hobbit.”
SOURCE: http://www.sag.org/sag-statement-regarding-feature-film-production-hobbit

And a statement from SPADA:

SPADA said:
Any production that commences preproduction before 31 March 2011, and adheres to the guidelines as set out in the Code of Practice for the Engagement of Cast in the New Zealand Screen Production Industry dated 6 June 2005 (and more commonly known as the “Pink Book”), will be covered by this agreement.
Equity has contracted with us that they will not enter into any negotiations or undertake any industrial action against those productions or encourage or facilitate any of its affiliate bodies or members to do likewise.
SOURCE: http://www.spada.co.nz/home/home.html

I guess only time will tell if Jackson was right about the damage already being done.
 
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I was was ****ing wrong.
 
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