The Amazing Spider-Man Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[Jick]

I'd love to have Rhino in it.
Rhino and Shocker. I think they'd be great, together.

 

[Sentinel X]

Having Rhino in it would probably result in some of the best fights for the franchise. I can just imagine rhino tossing around cars and people while he's chasing Spider-man. It would be somewhat like the final fight in The Incredible Hulk except multiply that by 100 since Spidey has a bigger budget.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

^^
That would be cool.

 

[SpeterMan3]

Well, the villains won't be announced for at least a little over two months now.
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/04/0...s-wont-be-announced-until-script-is-finished/

 

[chaseter]

rhiNO

 

[SymbioticToxin]

Well, the villains won't be announced for at least a little over two months now.
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/04/0...s-wont-be-announced-until-script-is-finished/

Well, I suppose this is good news. It means they don't want to rush it and make a decision about villains till the script is done.

 

[batnkevlar]

I hope the villains are Kraven and the Lizard... I mean, the Lizard is an obvious one, and Kraven should track him down in New York before setting his sights on Spidey...

 

[HUMAN]

What about the Symthe's/Spider-Slayers along with Scorpion? Raimi comes from a horror film background, so the Spider-Slayers would no doubt be awesome.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

^^
I never thought of that. But their are alot of Spider-Slayers, so which ones would they use? Most likely the one where he turns himself into the Spider-Slayer, but they'd have to make alteast another to show how he upgrades them gradually. But I wouldn't like to see them with Scorpion, mostly cause I think he could be a villain by himself.

 

[Mutagen]

^^
I never thought of that. But their are alot of Spider-Slayers, so which ones would they use? Most likely the one where he turns himself into the Spider-Slayer, but they'd have to make alteast another to show how he upgrades them gradually. But I wouldn't like to see them with Scorpion, mostly cause I think he could be a villain by himself.

I think so too.

 

[sauronthegreat]

I also think that Mysterio would play a good part in framing Spider-Man for the Spider-Slayers to be commissioned.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

Maybe. But I'd really like to see, if they had the Spider-Slayers, is for them to introduce Smythe and have him work with Jonah, like in the beginning in the comics. Msterio would frame Spidey, and Jonah would go and find Smythe and have him make the slayers. They could even have him do the whole 'redemption' thing they do since he blames Jonah for his demise cause he had to use that radioactive material thats killing him. Then they could have Smythe, in his rage, contact Mysterio and have him capture Jonah while he turns himself into the Spider-Slayer and about to kill Jonah, then have a final fight with Spider-Man, then have one of his creations go out of contorl and he redeems hiumself by sacrificing himself to destroy it.

Sorry, that was kinda a rant.

 

[thejon93]

Chameleon has always been a villain I'd liked to have seen pulled off theatrically, I'm hoping that they'll give him a shot with this one.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I would love to see him as well, but I think Sam will concentrate more on Villians like Lizard, Rhino, etc, which is fine with me.

 

[thejon93]

I would love to see him as well, but I think Sam will concentrate more on Villians like Lizard, Rhino, etc, which is fine with me.

In Lizard's case, I hope he simply "introduces" him in the fourth installment to allow The Lizard a greater role in 'Spider-Man 5'. As for Rhino, I'd love to see him introduced as a side-villain; could make for a really fun opening sequence, opposed to Peter's usual narration about his love for Mary Jane.

 

[AIRWOLF]

I'm not up for Spider-Slayers, I never really enjoyed them to be honest. However, I am hoping that Lizard makes the cut, it's the only logical choice left.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

In Lizard's case, I hope he simply "introduces" him in the fourth installment to allow The Lizard a greater role in 'Spider-Man 5'. As for Rhino, I'd love to see him introduced as a side-villain; could make for a really fun opening sequence, opposed to Peter's usual narration about his love for Mary Jane.

Honestly,. I don't think Sam will make anymore time for development for Dr. Connors/the lizard. I, personally, believe this is when we will see the Lizard.

 

[Sentinel X]

^Im like 80% sure thats what hes going to do. I would like him to do what thejon93 suggested, it would be much better....however, I doubt its going to happen

 

[AIRWOLF]

Chameleon has always been a villain I'd liked to have seen pulled off theatrically, I'm hoping that they'll give him a shot with this one.

I'm with you there. I think Chameleon would make a great villain. But isn't he more like a mercenary? In that case, they could perhaps introduce Silvermane or Kingpin, maybe he could be working for either of them.

About Lizard, I know he'll make a good villain for Peter/ Spidey, but how can he pose threat to the city? How can we see him as threatening on par with Goblin or Ock? For some reason, I think Lizard needs to be a side villain, who works into the main plot of the movie. Unless they can find a way to make him a main villain, without turning his motives a bit cartoonish.

 

[thejon93]

Honestly,. I don't think Sam will make anymore time for development for Dr. Connors/the lizard. I, personally, believe this is when we will see the Lizard.

Well, I still believe that there's loads to develop around with this character: his family, the formula that will transform him into The Lizard, etc. Just because he was mentioned/seen in the last three films, doesn't mean that would please general moviegoers looking for another dynamic villain, along the lines of Doctor Octopus.

^Im like 80% sure thats what hes going to do. I would like him to do what thejon93 suggested, it would be much better....however, I doubt its going to happen

Now, now, hold your faith, my friend. Of course, I can't make any guarantees on that... but I do know that Raimi cares about this property. The first two films were high strong with great characters, it was only the third that faltured. I think that Raimi himself was even disappointed with the way 'Spider-Man 3' turned out, and now that he has another chance... I'm certain he'll make the absolute best of it.

I'm with you there. I think Chameleon would make a great villain. But isn't he more like a mercenary? In that case, they could perhaps introduce Silvermane or Kingpin, maybe he could be working for either of them.

About Lizard, I know he'll make a good villain for Peter/ Spidey, but how can he pose threat to the city? How can we see him as threatening on par with Goblin or Ock? For some reason, I think Lizard needs to be a side villain, who works into the main plot of the movie. Unless they can find a way to make him a main villain, without turning his motives a bit cartoonish.

I agree with you with your argument on The Lizard. Personally, I believe that he'd be best posed as a secondary villain, rather than a main adversary. It's Dr. Connors who should be one of the main characters. If they get him right with this film, then his story will become more so tragic than "Sweet, The Lizard Man!". I'm just hoping that they don't hype The Lizard up with this one, like they did with Venom in the last installment.

Kingpin... that may be a problem. Kingpin is currently known as a "Daredevil character", and the property currently belongs to 'Fox'. However, I'm hoping that Kingpin never becomes an adversary for Spider-Man (in this franchise, at least). Mainly this is because he has more history with Daredevil. This character is Daredevil's main opposition at all times, even when he's fighting other villains. It's usually all to do with bringing down Wilson Fisk. For Spider-Man, however, I think that an angle like such can work out with a character like Tombstone, played out like it was on the 'Spectacular Spider-Man' series. I've always been one-up for change on Spider-Man's lesser popular villains, as long as it's for the better. That's why I'm routing for Chameleon to star as the main adversary, because he has a potential that has never really been fully realized in the comics.

 

[MysterioMenace]

I’d really love to see something akin to “Kraven’s Last Hunt”. Substitute Vermin for the Lizard, add some more action scenes, and you’ve got a pretty great story that would really steer the franchise in an intelligent and redeeming direction. Follow early Dr. Connors/Lizard appearances, though I’d personally keep him mainly more primal, having little to no dialogue in scaly form. Attempting to turn humanity into reptilian brethren does sound especially Sam Raimi B-Horror flick, but I’m not so sure how that’d come off on film. So I think I’d primarily keep him in the savage Todd McFarlane “humanoid velociraptor” portrayal. Also obviously alter the setting of his first appearance transmutation in the Florida everglades to the cesspools of New York City.

The interesting thing about the Lizard’s that, while perhaps he is yet another addition to the annals of duality dueling “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde” inspired comic book caricatures, he’s also Peters close friend and inspiration. There in lies more drama then most villains. There’s a relationship outside of their otherworldly battle royals, no re-writes necessary. No unnecessary sympathy cords need to be edited into this origin story. No sick daughters and no brain-warping robotic arms making good people go bad, preventing the little kiddies from seeing genuine villainy. I’m not bitter. Anyway, empathy’s already included in the Lizards comic back-story. The personal connection felt between Parker and Osborne’s what made the Green Goblin into something truly memorable, so it is with the Lizard, merely overlooked. Spider-man’s put into a position in which he’s forced to literally beat upon someone he truly cares for. That’s powerful stuff that I’ve always felt was undersold as far as the characters worth goes.

We have people obsessing over shallow villains like Venom and Carnage merely on murder merit. That doesn’t make a character. It’s their ethics and reasoning behind their oftentimes horrendous actions that truly defines what villains honestly are. Whether they be conscious of their amorality or otherwise. I’ve always felt that Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, and the Lizard have had the largest effect upon Spider-Man throughout his mythos. All these characters added something far more personal then any of the others. Whether it be (purposely or otherwise) killing a loved one, drastically psychologically damaging Parker, having a personal relationship together outside the heightened heroics, or a bit of all three, they really stole the show away from the others. They’re almost all fun rivals, but those four had the most depth and/or won the greatest achievements over our friendly neighborhood hero. Utilize them, not the glorified bank robbers and one-dimensional galactic goop!

Being most feel the Lizard’s only the natural progression of the story and, considering the animalistic side of that role, this is the time to utilize the Great White Hunter. Every other villain would seem tacked on, whereas Kraven meshes perfectly with the Lizard. He may seem a bizarre choice. I’d have thought so too, that is before I read “Kravens Last Hunt,” in which they took all be it this B-grade villain that no one ever gave much of a glance to and truly transformed him into something profoundly deep, threatening, and even tragic. Splice in portions from the early Kraven stories, him hearing murmurs of some Lizard man in the sewers of the concrete jungle, maimed bodies turning up, desperate to hunt what’s never been hunted. He’s desperate for the catch, something that brings meaning back into his life. Enter Kraven the Hunter - Battling the man that took down his hunt: Spider-Man.

Of course for being a rather long-winded post that’s the shorthand of the script I’ve written in my head. Follow that and I believe you’d have a Grade-A story.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I’d really love to see something akin to “Kraven’s Last Hunt”. Substitute Vermin for the Lizard, add some more action scenes, and you’ve got a pretty great story that would really steer the franchise in an intelligent and redeeming direction. Follow early Dr. Connors/Lizard appearances, though I’d personally keep him mainly more primal, having little to no dialogue in scaly form. Attempting to turn humanity into reptilian brethren does sound especially Sam Raimi B-Horror flick, but I’m not so sure how that’d come off on film. So I think I’d primarily keep him in the savage Todd McFarlane “humanoid velociraptor” portrayal. Also obviously alter the setting of his first appearance transmutation in the Florida everglades to the cesspools of New York City.

Hmm...Kraven's Last Hunt, IMO, would be hard to interpret on screen, but I'd love to see it. I like how you said replace Vermin with Lizard, because 1: I don't really care for Vermin, and 2: Lixzard would fit more, I think. I'd like to have Lizard have dialogue in the film, but something vicious and easily missed, so that you'd have to watch it more to catch on, ya know? And knowing raimi he might make a mix of classic Lizard and McFarlanes Lizard. Ya never know with him. And Lizard trying to turn people into lizards would be doable on screen, but it would be too much like Ock and his machine in SM2.

The interesting thing about the Lizard’s that, while perhaps he is yet another addition to the annals of duality dueling “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde” inspired comic book caricatures, he’s also Peters close friend and inspiration. There in lies more drama then most villains. There’s a relationship outside of their otherworldly battle royals, no re-writes necessary. No unnecessary sympathy cords need to be edited into this origin story. No sick daughters and no brain-warping robotic arms making good people go bad, preventing the little kiddies from seeing genuine villainy. I’m not bitter. Anyway, empathy’s already included in the Lizards comic back-story. The personal connection felt between Parker and Osborne’s what made the Green Goblin into something truly memorable, so it is with the Lizard, merely overlooked. Spider-man’s put into a position in which he’s forced to literally beat upon someone he truly cares for. That’s powerful stuff that I’ve always felt was undersold as far as the characters worth goes.

I honestly don't want Spidy too know its Conners, purely on the fact it wuld be like the other villains and how he knows them. I want him to thnk its some random mutation or whatever, and then near the end realize its Conners. I agree that it would be better and earier in a way so we don't have a bad rewrite of someones origins *cough*sandman*cough*

We have people obsessing over shallow villains like Venom and Carnage merely on murder merit. That doesn’t make a character. It’s their ethics and reasoning behind their oftentimes horrendous actions that truly defines what villains honestly are. Whether they be conscious of their amorality or otherwise. I’ve always felt that Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, and the Lizard have had the largest effect upon Spider-Man throughout his mythos. All these characters added something far more personal then any of the others. Whether it be (purposely or otherwise) killing a loved one, drastically psychologically damaging Parker, having a personal relationship together outside the heightened heroics, or a bit of all three, they really stole the show away from the others. They’re almost all fun rivals, but those four had the most depth and/or won the greatest achievements over our friendly neighborhood hero. Utilize them, not the glorified bank robbers and one-dimensional galactic goop!

People want Venom and Carnage for more then murder merit, they want them because they're fan favorites. I'm a huge fan of the symbiotes, but I don't want them to be in the Spidey franchise though. But I don't 100% agree that ethics and reasoning are the what helps define a villain. I honestly like villains who are just out there doing bad things for kicks, or someone who's forced to do it. And I don't really think Kraven had that much of an impact on Spidey, but thats cause I haven't really read anything about Kraven.

Being most feel the Lizard’s only the natural progression of the story and, considering the animalistic side of that role, this is the time to utilize the Great White Hunter. Every other villain would seem tacked on, whereas Kraven meshes perfectly with the Lizard. He may seem a bizarre choice. I’d have thought so too, that is before I read “Kravens Last Hunt,” in which they took all be it this B-grade villain that no one ever gave much of a glance to and truly transformed him into something profoundly deep, threatening, and even tragic. Splice in portions from the early Kraven stories, him hearing murmurs of some Lizard man in the sewers of the concrete jungle, maimed bodies turning up, desperate to hunt what’s never been hunted. He’s desperate for the catch, something that brings meaning back into his life. Enter Kraven the Hunter - Battling the man that took down his hunt: Spider-Man.

Karaven would fit with Lizard, but other villains whoget the role wouldn't be tacked on so to speak. I'm sure, though I can't think of any at the moment, that other villains could fit with Lizard. And I don't want Kraven to just hunt Lizard because of redemption. I want him to do it because he loves the hunt. I only want him to hunt for fun, or for revenge, which could happen if he's beaten or outsmarted or whatever by Spidey and Lizard. Then I want him to hunt for revenge.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Lizard AND Scorpion

 

[Hectorminator]

I’d really love to see something akin to “Kraven’s Last Hunt”. Substitute Vermin for the Lizard, add some more action scenes, and you’ve got a pretty great story that would really steer the franchise in an intelligent and redeeming direction. Follow early Dr. Connors/Lizard appearances, though I’d personally keep him mainly more primal, having little to no dialogue in scaly form. Attempting to turn humanity into reptilian brethren does sound especially Sam Raimi B-Horror flick, but I’m not so sure how that’d come off on film. So I think I’d primarily keep him in the savage Todd McFarlane “humanoid velociraptor” portrayal. Also obviously alter the setting of his first appearance transmutation in the Florida everglades to the cesspools of New York City.

The interesting thing about the Lizard’s that, while perhaps he is yet another addition to the annals of duality dueling “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde” inspired comic book caricatures, he’s also Peters close friend and inspiration. There in lies more drama then most villains. There’s a relationship outside of their otherworldly battle royals, no re-writes necessary. No unnecessary sympathy cords need to be edited into this origin story. No sick daughters and no brain-warping robotic arms making good people go bad, preventing the little kiddies from seeing genuine villainy. I’m not bitter. Anyway, empathy’s already included in the Lizards comic back-story. The personal connection felt between Parker and Osborne’s what made the Green Goblin into something truly memorable, so it is with the Lizard, merely overlooked. Spider-man’s put into a position in which he’s forced to literally beat upon someone he truly cares for. That’s powerful stuff that I’ve always felt was undersold as far as the characters worth goes.

We have people obsessing over shallow villains like Venom and Carnage merely on murder merit. That doesn’t make a character. It’s their ethics and reasoning behind their oftentimes horrendous actions that truly defines what villains honestly are. Whether they be conscious of their amorality or otherwise. I’ve always felt that Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, and the Lizard have had the largest effect upon Spider-Man throughout his mythos. All these characters added something far more personal then any of the others. Whether it be (purposely or otherwise) killing a loved one, drastically psychologically damaging Parker, having a personal relationship together outside the heightened heroics, or a bit of all three, they really stole the show away from the others. They’re almost all fun rivals, but those four had the most depth and/or won the greatest achievements over our friendly neighborhood hero. Utilize them, not the glorified bank robbers and one-dimensional galactic goop!

Being most feel the Lizard’s only the natural progression of the story and, considering the animalistic side of that role, this is the time to utilize the Great White Hunter. Every other villain would seem tacked on, whereas Kraven meshes perfectly with the Lizard. He may seem a bizarre choice. I’d have thought so too, that is before I read “Kravens Last Hunt,” in which they took all be it this B-grade villain that no one ever gave much of a glance to and truly transformed him into something profoundly deep, threatening, and even tragic. Splice in portions from the early Kraven stories, him hearing murmurs of some Lizard man in the sewers of the concrete jungle, maimed bodies turning up, desperate to hunt what’s never been hunted. He’s desperate for the catch, something that brings meaning back into his life. Enter Kraven the Hunter - Battling the man that took down his hunt: Spider-Man.

Of course for being a rather long-winded post that’s the shorthand of the script I’ve written in my head. Follow that and I believe you’d have a Grade-A story.

Hey, everyone else: take the time to read this post. Mysterio makes the best points for why Lizard and Kraven SHOULD be in Spider-Man 4, and how they SHOULD be handled. Well said, Mysterio.

 

[[A]]

Lizard AND Scorpion

ahh that would be good.

for the people saying Rhino, I'd like to see that too..