Official Wolverine And The X-men, Episode 15, "Hunting Grounds" Discussion Thread

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Here we are with the 15th episode thread. I guess everyone knows the drill at this point.

Callback to what happened in episode 6 as Mojo returns to kidnap some mutants.
 
Show just finished. Very good epi, thanks in large part to Kurt and scarlet witch though their scenes could get close to sappy sometimes. Wanda is a very likable character in this show and I look forwrd to more appearances from her.

I don't like Mojo's design especially that of his face. They should study the comics...Mojo is kinda like cat beast they both have features that are very hard to draw. This episode also had issues with how characters look next to each other. Spiral looked huge next to wanda and nightcrawlers head looks way too tiny compared to the witch.
 
Loved it. Love the Scarlet Witch - and her design is TOP NOTCH! I don't think they could've done better.

And I rather enjoyed the VERY minor sub-plot with the X-Men searching for/finding Wolverine. Nice moments between Rogue and Emma and Storm and Emma.
 
Where did you guys watch this episode? Can someone PM me a link? Thanks!
 
It really, REALLY looks like we'll see Nocturne in Season 2. :)

Kurt: It vorked.

Wanda: How do you know?

Kurt: I saw it in his eyes.

Wanda: You saw it in his--you're kidding, right?
 
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I can't find this anywhere online. Can anyone help me out here?

EDIT: Never mind found it :)
 
where did you find it, ive seen episodes 1-14 but not 15.
 
Great episode.

I love the development as well as the relationship with Kurt and Wanda. I liked how sad she looked when Kurt said she was not the "love of his life".

I liked Rogue's catty comment to Emma Frost.

Nightcrawler is back with the X-men now which is cool.

I believe this was the first appearance of Lorna/Polaris in the series.
 
Yeah awesome episode. I like the subtleties this cartoon has. Also the dialogue is excellent. The only thing it needs is more team action. I'm tired of the other X-men always arriving when the fight's over. It's like they just go out to pick up Wolverine.
 
Great episode.

I believe this was the first appearance of Lorna/Polaris in the series.

Nope, I think she showed up at the end of 13 along with Mystique and Scarlet Witch as Magneto's giving his address.
 
I think you are right, but this is the first time she spoke then, right?
 
I liked Rogue's catty comment to Emma Frost.

I really liked that too. :D

I think Polaris being Magneto's daughter should've been a "is she or isn't she" plot point that they could have developed over time. But I guess this series really is banking on the fact that people already have prior knowledge from the comic books, as others here have speculated. I just hate the fact that in the show, Magneto has a red-haired, and also has a green-haired daughter...LOL
 
It's not banking on that at all.

They are simply establishing their own continuity taking certain elements from the comics and adapting it for the purpose of this story.

I don't think Dread has much room to complain about how Wanda was characterized for this episode.

As for the hair color . . . they are mutants.
 
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I just hate the fact that in the show, Magneto has a red-haired, and also has a green-haired daughter...LOL

I really like the fact he has a red and green-haired daughter... as TheVileOne said they are mutants. Plus, they are taking alot of elements from different comics and different realities like the House of M and incorporating them into this series. Hell, they even used the term House of Magnus in episode 10 and in the HoM reality his kids were told from a much earlier age they were related to him then in the regular universe comics.
 
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It's not banking on that at all.

They are simply establishing their own continuity taking certain elements from the comments and adapting it for the purpose of this story.

I'm sorry but you don't know that for a fact. There is no need to matter-of factly correct me as if you have more knowlegde regarding that subject matter above me.

I don't think Dread has much room to complain about how Wanda was characterized for this episode.

Where does Dread comment about Wanda? Anyone have a link? I wanna read up on what he has to say...

As for the hair color . . . they are mutants.

IMO, they just look like Ariel's sisters from The Little Mermaid. :D LOL
 
Dread doesn't like Wanda being portrayed as a villain constantly.
 
Dread doesn't like Wanda being portrayed as a villain constantly.

Ah i'm sortof the same way, Quicksilver, Multiple man et al constantly being portrayed as villains..."Hey we need thugs...bring in Jamie!!!" it doesnt take much of an imagination anymore...

Atleast with Wanda though she's fallin in the gray area, which i think was your point.
 
Wanda's a good person. And Kurt is in love with her :D . Wanurt is my OTP.

Multiple Man was not a villain or a thug in Evolution.

And also, I mean . . . Madrox is pretty big jerk. Makes sense for him to be a villain/thug.

In X-men: TAS, Madrox was a member of X-Factor led by Forge.
 
For all of the WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN's faults with writing certain characters, whether Cyclops, Storm, or even sometimes Wolverine himself, they have so far managed to handle Nightcrawler perfectly. Aside for Wolverine, Nightcrawler is the only member of the X-Men who has managed to have two entire episodes focused on him as a solo hero. This now will make it the third, matching him almost with Wolverine himself. While Wolverine's solo episodes have been hit or miss, all of Nightcrawler's episodes have steadily gotten better. Episode 15, "Hunting Grounds" is no exception.

There were a vocal minority of fans of EVOLUTION who hated Nightcrawler there. They said he was "too goofy" or they didn't like his voice actor's performances as him. Well, this version makes none of those "errors". Liam O'Brien sounds just like one would imagine Nightcrawler sounding and while Kurt here is capable of a joke or two, is is a serious adventuring X-Man. While I never minded the Evolution Kurt, this version is easily superior and I will go further and say this is the best version of Nightcrawler yet animated. And that is especially good for me, that WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN actually delivers 100% on one of my favorite X-Men for once. I mean, they've abandoned Colossus. Wolverine has had to flex with being the leader and at times has been mishandled, or overstated at the cost of others. Cyclops, whether emoting over Jean or not is usually depicted as a waste of an X-Man, in no way comparable to the almighty Wolverine. Kitty has her moments but is clearly in background character mode, with Iceman. But Nightcrawler? Awesome. No complaints. Which is rare for me. If you're a fan of the fuzzy elf, you should be pleased.

This episode continues along the themes of the last two Nightcrawler episodes, which were episode 6, "X-Calibre" and episode 10, "Greetings from Genosha".
The Reavers (led by Spiral) and Mojo make good on their threat to capture Nightcrawler for their own entertainment, and this time suck in Scarlet Witch as well. Unlike Cyclops or Storm, Nightcrawler is capable enough to be able to rescue himself and beat his enemies with minimal, if any, assistance from Wolverine or the rest of the X-Men. It is further proof how no adventure or episode is wasted in this show; they all bring about ramifications and reactions, and build up to greater things. If anything, the only neglected quibble is that little information on Mojo or Spiral is given, and they seem almost like random adversaries.

After being captured by Mystique at the end of episode 10 in his attempt to warn the X-Men about Magneto's real intentions in Genosha, Nightcrawler has found himself in a teleport-proof prison. His only visitor seems to be Wanda Maximoff, played by Kate Higgins. Not interested in being read or spoken too, Nightcrawler doesn't want to hear her words of condolence for siding with her father. While clearly torn between her loyalty to Kurt and her father, the two are quickly kidnapped by Spiral and end up in a forest, being hunted by her gang of cybernetic Reavers. Adapted to Nightcrawler's teleport tactics with electrified tech and force-fields, Kurt and Wanda clash over battle tactics and ideals. Wanda wants to stand her ground and fight, while Kurt wants to deny Mojo the pleasure while seeking a way to escape. They ultimately learn that the "forest" is an artificial one that is inside a dome beneath the ocean. The situation becomes more complicated when a tech-controlled Wolverine is brought into the situation as Mojo's greatest "hunter".

I really liked the twisted design that Wolverine had as Mojo's pawn, especially the twisted "grin" that was like a combination of A CLOCKWORK ORANGE and Joker's Laughing Gas effect. While Wanda wants to just take Wolverine out, Kurt is willing to place his life on the line to save his friend, even when it seems hopeless. While one could imagine the idea of Wolverine becoming what he always feared he would become; a sadist's mind controlled weapon, would have effected Logan's character a bit, there just wasn't enough time to cover it here.

While I admitted to liking how Kurt was written in Evolution, I didn't care for how Wanda was written in that show. WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN here has managed to write a superior version. While I do tire of Wanda always being written as a Brotherhood terrorist in most modern cartoons considering about 80% of her comic book past is with the Avengers, this version of her captures that dynamic better. In the comics, she was the one who had the most doubts about Magneto's ideals than Pietro did, and the most apologetic for his methods. This episode allows a character study on her, pretty much facing how the methods of her father Magneto do not always apply to every situation, and can even lead to a worse result. See sees in Nightcrawler how the alternative method is not always worthless or weak. While she ultimately chooses to remain on Genosha with Magneto in the end, it is very obvious that she has doubts about his methods. Kate Higgins puts in a very good performance as Wanda here, playing off O'Brien's Kurt well. Combined with a dead-on version of the costume, this may very well be the definitive animated version of Wanda here, even more interesting than some of the ones from the 90's where she already was a hero. Granted, surpassing the terrible lines from 1999's AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND isn't much of a compliment, but there it is.

In fact the only bit where Logan almost upstages Nightcrawler is at the end where he defeats Spiral, the adversary who once battled Kurt for several minutes, with a single spin kick, as well as beating Mojo almost single handedly (with an assist from Wanda). But personally I didn't mind that too much; Logan was sufficiently motivated, and despite the title of the show, gets his rear handed to him fairly often. He's owed some payback.

Who is Mojo on this show? All we know is that he is a fat cyborg who wants mutants to fight each other, or his cyborg gang, for his own bemusement. Who was that woman named "Rita" who was bound to their ship in episode 6? The show doesn't say. It even is unknown whether Mojo and Spiral come from another dimension, or are just Earth empowered cyborgs. Honestly I never cared for the "Mojoworld" stuff from the comics, so if this show wanted to make them more Earth based, I say go for it. I enjoyed some of the methods that EVOLUTION took to tone down the X-Universe and make it less ridiculous, and if this show is going to continue that, by all means shoot for it. Some could even say that this version of Mojo almost seems akin to Arcade, but he is probably more well known (and doesn't remind people of the Joker like Arcade usually does). None of this hurts the episode itself, as the focus is on Kurt and Wanda, though. I never cared for Mojo, so if he and his minions don't get fleshed too much, I wouldn't mind either. He usually was a distraction for the X-Men.

The action is pretty good for the show's standards, although Nightcrawler is purposefully being defensive so it won't be the same as some of his past brawls. The only caveat is Wanda, but it isn't the fault of the show's writers. Wanda's caveat is her power is so ill defined. Sometimes she creates "random bad luck". Other times she just shoots generic energy beams, or her energy beams make whatever is convenient to the plot happen. It is ill defined and was "spammed" in EVOLUTION to the point of annoyance, but here it isn't bad. I wouldn't expect this show to handle her powers better than some 40 years of the comics. It just is part of her.

There are little bits to other characters, though. We meet Polaris and unlike his other children, Magneto seems to deliberately keep her in the dark and not involve her in his battles. He punishes Pyro severely for informing Lorna of things that Magneto does not wish her to know, showing how Magneto's Genosha is one he rules with an iron fist, out of oppression and ignorance. Tom Kane does very well as Magneto, another character the show is handling well. While Magneto often has a point, he also can be chilling him his tactics or methods. His design is one of the show's best.

Also getting some tidbits are Storm, Frost, Rogue, and Iceman. Left at the Mansion after Logan was kidnapped by the Reavers off camera, they launch to try to rescue him. Rogue is irritated that Frost is unable to find him on Cerebro, and all Iceman seems to worry about is how angry Logan will be. Storm appeared to hold the group together without Logan and it was about time someone did. I mean, Scott's too much of a sad sack right now to do more than shoot an optic blast at someone. Storm is a proper figure to act as a co-leader when Logan isn't around. It is something that should have been written in, oh, about ten episodes ago, but better late than never. It was good to see Rogue interact with some of her fellow X-Men again after returning to the team. There seems to be no ill will amongst her allies. Seeing Iceman without Kitty attached was a rarity for this show, but he didn't do much beyond a few amusing lines. At least it is a defined role.

Nightcrawler rejoins the X-Men at the end of this episode, but as he was the only one of them who got as many solo episodes as Wolverine, it almost feels like he never left. It will be interesting seeing him with the cast again. If only Colossus was there, it would literally be my ideal roster of seven X-Men on the show's cast. It is so tantalizingly close, and yet will never be, that as a fanboy I can't help but squeal a little about the omission. I know objectively that Colossus will never join the main cast or be written as a character by this crew; they clearly don't like him and see him as nothing but a design, to be used sparingly (see Evolution). And looking at the rest of the show's strengths, especially in this episode, and objectively I can look past that. It's only the 12 year old in me that sometimes screams, "Oh, C'MON!" at that little omission. I mean, even X-MEN 3 gave us two Fastball Specials, and that movie stank. Wolverine, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Beast, Rogue, Shadowcat...just missing that big steel piece of the Dread X-Men puzzle. Arrraggh! SO close!

But, the positive here is Nightcrawler. For those who don't like Wolverine at all, he alone is a key reason to watch the show anyway. He, Scarlet Witch, and Magneto have literally carried two entire episodes and could probably carry more. When the X-Men and Brotherhood finally have it out this season, as I am suspecting, it will be quite a spectacle. Even an alliance against the Sentinels would be tense and full of drama.

Rock solid episode here, one of the show's best despite the villains. Proof that while WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN may not always be a flawless series, it is a good one capable of handling characters other than Wolverine (when it wants to, or likes them), and is leading forward with an ongoing story-arc and subplot that gets better as it goes along. It may not start off with the grand slams of SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN, but it has a far more complicated universe to handle, and tons of more characters, who arguably could be stars in their own right. "Hunting Grounds" is solid proof of that.
 
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Wanda was a member of Force Works in the Iron Man 90's cartoon you know.
 
I'll drink to that!

Wanda was a member of Force Works in the Iron Man 90's cartoon you know.

Yes, she was! But aside for competing with Julia Carpenter/Spider-Woman for Tony Stark's affections, she really had no character in that show. Especially as she, along with most of Force Works, left early on in Iron Man's second (and good) season. Thinning out the cast to just Stark, Julia, Rhodey, and HOMER helped the show greatly, but naturally out of those Force Works members, only Hawkeye showed up from time to time (before the series finale, of course).

She was part of X-Factor in the 90's X-Men show, which never made much sense other than to keep her with Quicksilver, but aside for the origin she never did much. And of course, there was AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND, which was hardly flattering to any character.

While she may be part of the Brotherhood here (again), Kyle, Johnson & co. are handling her very well and this is easily the best animated version of Wanda yet. Her romance with Kurt is interesting and she is clearly conflicted about her morals right now. Considering AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES is coming to TV in 2012, and by then WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN should be finished with their second season and possibly even a third, it might be interesting if they had the character eventually "turn noble" and cross over onto the Avengers show. Considering Kyle's buddy and collaborator Yost will be working on A:EMH, it is possible. I wouldn't hold my breath for it, but it is possible.

But that's all for the future. At least for now she's written well, acted well and has a solid design. Really nothing more to ask for with her at this time.
 

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