Official Wolverine And The X-men, Episode 16 "Badlands" Discussion

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Episode Synopsis

16 - Badlands
Wolverine is bent on finding out what Master Mold is. He, Shadowcat and Forge sneak into the Trask lab for a little recon. Before Forge can download all the data MRD officers spot them. Wolverine is captured and Forge arrested. It’s up to Shadowcat to rescue them both. Twenty years in the future Professor X and his team are being stalked by eerie Wolverine-like Sentinels with vicious claws who can even repair their own wounds. The future X-Men and Xavier flee into the Badlands, with the Sentinels in hot pursuit. Professor X is pulled into the middle of the wasteland where he finds Magneto’s daughter, now known as Polaris at a sandy dune that was once Genosha. She is ready to slay Xavier on the spot, believing that his rivalry with her father is what caused this war and led to his death. Her hatred has been brooding for a long time. Back in present day, Future X tells Logan of the eerie Sentinels and he understands the impact of his capture at the Trask Lab and how his actions today will change their future.

My thoughts on the episode:

Still don't know who that guy in Xavier's team with a green telekinetic signature is...Bishop refers to him at one point but I didn't quite catch it...Hellion (?) :huh:

I didn't get why Forge, Kitty, and Logan would be sporting black versions of their uniforms in this episode and not on the other adventures they've been on...I'm sure they've been on covert operations in previous epis. That said tho, Logan looks good with the "X-force-inspired" uni's...Kitty and Forge not so much.
Overall though, a very enjoyable episode especially considering I wasn't a fan of Xavier's storylines in this show so far. I spy Dazzler complete with eye "Star" makeup.

Also, pleasantly surprised about the storyline they've developed for Lorna...they really did have an arc in mind when they started introducing us to her as Magneto's daughter.
Good on them!
 
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aah damn haven't seen it... missed it, if anyone can please PM me a kind link for a megaupload or torrent that would be hugely appreciated if possible!
 
Has it actually aired? I'm not finding it on the torrents right now...hmm...
 
Another good episode that makes use of a Future Plot with a current timeline B-plot. I rather liked the small team of Shadowcat, Forge, and Wolverine. But I'm still irked that we haven't gotten a single shot re-enforcing the status quo they established at the end of episode 13.

If in the next episode, we don't see Cyclops, Emma, Beast, Kitty, Bobby, Rogue, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Storm, and Tildie playing baseball or something, I'm gonna be really mad. Oh and throw Angel in there too - how do you have a character in the main credits who hasn't even shown up since episode 3?!?! And Mystique posing as him in episode 10 doesn't count. I just don't get this show sometimes. But I still love it.

Back to the episode, anyone find it interesting though how [blackout] Wolverine is supposed to be leading the team via Xavior's information, yet Wolverine gets captured breaking into the Sentinel lab, which is why in the future all the sentinels have claws? Yeah...good call on that one, Xavier/Wolverine/writers. [/blackout]

And to answer your question, EnDz0n3, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellion
 
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Did anyone else notice
Synch and Monet
in Lorna's flashback! I thought that was an awesome little easter egg. It'd be cool if at least
M
showed up in the actual story too.
 
Heh...i must have missed them :oldrazz:
 
EnDz0n3, the telekinetic is Julian or Hellion from the more recent comics.
 
We have reached episode 16; only ten left in the debut season, or less than one third of the way. "Badlands" focuses on Future Xavier in the future of "twenty years from now", who along with Nightcrawler is the only character to have more than one focus episode in this show besides Wolverine himself (both Cyclops and Storm have had one focus episode each). Wolverine has had at least five focus episodes, with a 6th due up next week, but what do you expect with that kind of series title? ;)

Spoilers!

As a sequel to the 9th episode, "FUTURE X", this episode picks up sort of where that one left off, with the X-Men of 2029 trying to survive long enough for Future X's time travel gambit in the present to pay off. As assembled in episode 9, this team of rag-tag X-Men consist of Domino (from the former Brotherhood, of course, with shorter hair), Marrow, Bishop, and Hellion, naturally alongside Future Xavier himself in his set of mechanical legs-braces. The group finds themselves on the run from, what else, Master Mold's Sentinels. Only they seem to face a new breed of Sentinel, one that has a set of claws on each arm and appears able to reassemble itself from damages, a robot healing factor if you will. Xavier notes to Bishop how this seems very familiar.

Of course in the comics, the last futuristic Sentinel that could reform itself from damages was the seemingly indestructible Nimrod, whose design I always hated. The designs of these Weapon X Sentinels are superior; less bright pink and white. With no way to escape or defeat these Sentinels, the troupe is forced into running into the desert, or the "Badlands" in the title, an area where Sentinels do not venture due to Sandworms and Spice...no, that's DUNE. Master Mold overrules their programming, as she/it desperately wants to capture Xavier so his psychic powers can be technologically duplicated. Strong magnetic bolts course through the Badlands, tearing apart the robots, separating Domino from her precious guns, and even abducting Xavier. But, this time it isn't Magneto; it is his daughter, who is twenty years older and now calling herself Polaris.

I was never one who liked Bishop at all in the comics or in the 90's cartoon when he appeared. This show, however, has managed to work him better. Firstly, they stuck with his "bald" look, easily the best of his various hairdo's in the comics. Secondly, as his adventures are solely based in the future, he doesn't have time travel contrivances yet. Lastly, while he is voiced very well by veteran voice actor Kevin Michael Richardson (who seems to get some role in any cartoon series on TV these days, just a few steps behind Phil LaMarr), Bishop is a man of few words. He isn't telling everyone he is a cop, or explaining his powers endlessly. He doesn't brag or boast, or get on everyone's nerves. He is a soldier, a man of action. When he speaks, it is blunt and to the point. Bishop almost makes Wolverine seem verbose. This works for him. His power is easily demonstrated by visuals that they don't need to be explained, something Chris Claremont never realized. His outfit, with the 90's costume covered in the trench, was lifted from a mini from about 5-7 years ago and it works very well in animation.

The rest of the Future X-Men are what you expect. Marrow is voiced by Tara Strong (another VA veteran), and while she accepts Xavier after last episode, her bone spikes aren't terribly useful against robots. Domino of course is played by Gwendoline Yeo and as she was the least zealous of Quicksilver's Brotherhood group, in for the cause, not to inflict random carnage, it makes sense to see her alongside Xavier due to circumstance. Hellion, played by Roger Craig Smith, is your holdover from the NEW X-MEN that Craig Kyle & Chris Yost wrote into the ground for a few years, and is your typical youthful telekenetic. Aside for Bishop and Domino, the lot of them usually are lost in the fog of Xavier's discoveries and some exposition, but that isn't a major downer.

Upon discovering Polaris, Xavier discovers that she is trying to carry on the dream of her dead father, Magneto. She has apparently been tearing apart any robots that venture into the Badlands to make her own twisted stab at a New Genosha, where only she lives. Basically, she's insane. When his comrades come to save Chuck, she quickly assembles a Sentinel to fight them. As it is a mangled robot, and all it can say is "Destroy", it seemed a clear homage to Rover from the last arc of Grant Morrison's X-MEN run from several years ago, who had a Sentinel like that based in a future reality. They eventually remove Polaris' psi-proof helmet and Xavier learns that at some point in the past (and our X-Men's perhaps near future), Genosha is completely destroyed by fire, and Magneto sends his daughter away to safety. She's been stuck for years trying to recreate it, but isn't a soldier enough to do much more. It was a tragic turn for the character, even if we really haven't seen much of Lorna Dane before now. All we have seen of her is that she is Magneto's third child, and the one he shelters the most; I suppose that is enough for the show's purposes. In the comics, of course, Lorna has had bouts of unstable behavior. Come to think of it, all three of Magneto's kids have gone conkers at least once or twice over the last four decades. It's like he says in his MARVEL SERIES 1 Trading Card, "I'm a failure as a father!"

Fortunately, of course, Lorna sides with the team in time to save them from a horde of Sentinels, and Future X goes on his way.

Unlike in "FUTURE X", the present day subplot for the episode ties in better and has more time and focus, as well as gives some to a heroine who needed some; Shadowcat/Danielle Jadovits. In the present, Wolverine leads her and Forge into one of Trask's Sentinel facilities. They are clad in black op's costumes, which is a nod to X-FORCE, which Craig Kyle co-writes with Chris Yost (these dark outfits basically come in in HULK VS. WOLVERINE too). Kitty suggests just trashing the joint with the full X-Men, but Wolverine wants to download data and "stop them for good". It is a worthy plan, but it backfires when he orders the other two to flee, then promptly gets captured after beating a half dozen soldiers.

The pacing of the action with Wolverine wasn't too bad this time; while most of the time he slices guns, there were a few edits that at least could have implied that at least one of those guards took a claw slash elsewhere, if you wanted to imagine so. With Forge a complete non-combatant, this forces Kitty to rescue the three of them. Alas, it does not occur until Trask is able to analyze Wolverine's body and lecture him about his plan to "teach robots how to fight like mutants", which we know leads to the harsh future in 20 years when they rule everything. I also liked the "black" versions of their costumes. Functional, and will justify some extra action figures!

Also, something else happens; Kitty Pryde actually lectures Logan about coming up with a not-so-good plan. As in, an actual member of the team notes that Logan did not make the right decision, it backfired, and CALLS HIM ON IT! One should note that the only other member of the team who did this lately was Emma Frost, so it may seem that only women have the, ahem, stones to challenge Wolverine. In the comics of course, Logan and Kitty have a spunky mentor/student relationship, so it fits. In another first, Logan's error doesn't turn out to be meaningless to the general story; Logan being captured in the present, even briefly, led to the suped up Sentinels that Xavier faced in the future. The episode ends with Future X having another time travel telepath conference with Logan, nothing the severity of the war they face. Wolverine, of course, vows not to lose.

Hey, an episode where someone on the X-Men calls Logan on an error, and the story doesn't simply absolve it away into insignificance, is a step in the right direction for the writing staff's intention to show this X-Men team as not as cohesive and Logan as a far from perfect leader. A cynic might state that this sort of thing should have happened more than, at most, 3 instances within 16 episodes, but I will take what I can get towards complexity.

Obviously, Future Xavier has faith in Logan to be able to lead the team in the present and accomplish the goal of changing the future by saving the present. The fact that Logan once disobeyed a direct order from him ("Past Discretions", when Logan abandoned the team to research his past and absolve personal guilt), is still prone to foolishly not involve the X-Men in his own battles and thus risk his life as well as the life of the occasional young mutant (Christy Nord, "Stolen Lives"), or that his imperfect battle decisions made things harder for him in the future (Trask studying him led to the "Wolvie-Sentinel" later on) haven't dissuaded him from that decision. Of course, he is the star of the show. But Future X obviously sees Logan as being capable of doing what neither of the two other natural leaders of the team, Cyclops or Storm, are capable of. It will remain to be seen at the season finale whether this all ties well together, or was just a premise contrivance. I have a little more faith in that direction now than even three episodes ago, but it will not be infinite.

It also is almost surprising how often Wolverine will lose a fight and get captured in a series where he is the title star and focus. I had thought his consistent defeats in X-MEN EVOLUTION were due to Kids' WB's restrictions on violence to teenagers (and thus Logan had to take the brunt of punishment for them), but I apparently was mistaken. While it hasn't happened nearly to the point of ridiculousness as it was for the first two seasons of EVOLUTION, the writers are on a thin tightrope between keeping Logan as an underdog in a fight, or showing him as an overrated figure who is a step too slow when the chips are down. Still, last episode Logan was pretty much schooling Spiral and Mojo, so I will say the writers are at least still standing strong on that tightrope for now. It is hardly an easy balance, and I appreciate the difficulty.

I didn't like this episode as much as last episode, even if it mattered more to the general plot. Of course, last episode focused on Nightcrawler, one of my top five favorite X-Men, so that is an easy reason why. It was a good episode, and I did like it, focusing in on the present storyline. While the subject of time travel is usually one that I often feel distracts the X-Men and becomes too conveluted for it's own good, I think this show has handled it well. It is basically a story tool for what the series is doing in the present, and the writers are not going overboard with needless details; what is shown is only what is essential to the greater plot, and works towards it. It is never just a "random" adventure to fill time. Plus, hey, they make Bishop actually cool, something over 15 years of comics failed to do for me. This episode was a worthy, and superior, sequel episode to "FUTURE X".

Next episode, according to a synopsis, will have another Logan foe show up, Silver Samurai, and may homage an old UXM, which had Rogue "earn" Logan's trust in an 80's two parter. It will be interesting to see if the writers go that route.
 
Certainly a strong episode.

I like their use of philosophy about 'the dream' in this ep which is at the heart of what Xavier and Magneto are all about... protecting mutants. The difference between them is the methods in how they try protect mutants.

The episode was interesting and managed the combine some of the best of New X-Men 132, Uncanny 431, and Uncanny 443 and put its own unique spin on it.

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Good episode. But i still wanna see more team action. Who takes Forge on a stealth mission by the way? I enjoyed Bishop. I just wish they used another mutant instead of Marrow. She's so useless. Synch or M would have owned those sentinels.
 
And to answer your question, EnDz0n3, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellion

EnDz0n3, the telekinetic is Julian or Hellion from the more recent comics.

Thanks guys! Figures I don't know the character, since he's a noob :p

I also agree that they could have chosen a better rag tag team of mutants to accompany Xavier. I thought having both Domino and Marrow in the team was sort of repetitive...and it showed. They actually had to portray Sarah as a scared little girl at one point but i guess they got the dynamic to work by having Marrow miss (almost?) all of her marks and have Dom to hit the bull's eye, so to speak (ie. Polaris' helmet).

Also didnt see the point of Hellion too much. He kept putting boxes in front of doors so the sentinels don't get to them...but really boxes?

Sarah: I think we just lost them

Really Sarah?! they just saw u go inside that building...

:D

And i think the whole point of having a telekinetic on the team was to have him control the sentinel at the end and have the visual of the present comics (sorry don't know what it's called) but really they forgot Hellion's green power signature, which i thought was his whole schtick and set him apart from the other telekinetics.

Bishop was cool, having his bada$$ Madureira look.

Oh and i just tend to ignore Forge's appearance on this show, like he's not even there.

I really did enjoy this episode though... LOL
 
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Good episode. But i still wanna see more team action. Who takes Forge on a stealth mission by the way? I enjoyed Bishop. I just wish they used another mutant instead of Marrow. She's so useless. Synch or M would have owned those sentinels.

They needed Forge to hack into Trask's mainframe to get detailed information about the Sentinel program. Wolverine's general idea of getting long term data for a permanent strike, rather than one that would just delay production, was sound. It was just some of his execution that was spotty. Of course, execution really is everything.

That said, I do agree that they needed another stealth member for that mission; Nightcrawler would have fit in. Even without teleporting, he can climb walls, is hard to see in shadows, and so forth. But, it isn't like he was hurting for spotlight. This was probably the most airtime either Kitty or Forge had in a while.
 
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I actually would have liked the future team to be Xavier, Bishop, Shard, Jinx, Scorch, Link, Nom. Yeah, I know most people don't know that team but I always liked them and feel we should see them again.
 
I like Shard...the rest...not so much. But to each his own.
 
Shard would encourage Bishop to talk more, and I am liking his "soldier of few words" persona here.
 
If they really wanted to they could have had Kitty's character hack into the Sentinel program instead of tagging along Forge, who again, to me, doesnt really work in this show...Whenever I see Forge...it's always "what has he done/is going to do this time?" I really do think he drags the show, and that's saying a lot for a character that doesn't appear very much. They should have stuck with Bobby being the comic relief as it should be.

And this is coming from a guy who's neither a Kitty nor a Bobby fan...
 
Good episode.

My one nit is how Kitty acts so self-righteous about Forge getting captured, but that's entirely her fault, and the show seems to side with her.
 
If they really wanted to they could have had Kitty's character hack into the Sentinel program instead of tagging along Forge, who again, to me, doesnt really work in this show...Whenever I see Forge...it's always "what has he done/is going to do this time?" I really do think he drags the show, and that's saying a lot for a character that doesn't appear very much. They should have stuck with Bobby being the comic relief as it should be.

And this is coming from a guy who's neither a Kitty nor a Bobby fan...

Bobby is also the comic relief, just unlike Forge, he actually is of use in a fight, and has in fact saved the day once or twice.

The writers wanted Forge for his powers and went with the CHUCK stereotype of a computer nerd being useless in a fight. It may not make Forge the best member of the X-Men, but it makes him one who is easy to pigeon hole. I see Iceman as more adventurous. Granted, Forge's power is hard to define; what is the difference between being a mutant or an exceptional human prodigy? Forge is on that tightrope.

I do admit Forge's schtick does get predictable. But I haven't seen this show or EVOLUTION make a deal out of Kitty being a genius, as she is in the comics. Evolution made her a valley girl and while she still is spunky here, she isn't a computer tech at all. They probably feel making her too smart would make her unrelatable. Hey, that's why Spider-Man has to act like a rookie for the past decade. :p

Good episode.

My one nit is how Kitty acts so self-righteous about Forge getting captured, but that's entirely her fault, and the show seems to side with her.

The show usually sides with Logan's self righteousness, so I didn't mind the switch.
 
But I haven't seen this show or EVOLUTION make a deal out of Kitty being a genius, as she is in the comics. Evolution made her a valley girl and while she still is spunky here, she isn't a computer tech at all. They probably feel making her too smart would make her unrelatable. Hey, that's why Spider-Man has to act like a rookie for the past decade. :p
Well, Kitty, like most Claremont female characters who he spends a lot of time with, ends up being awesome at pretty much everything, so when translating them you usually cut it down a bit (they've already got Beast and Forge, where, particularly with the latter, being the smart guy is far more integral to their role in the team).
 
Well, Kitty, like most Claremont female characters who he spends a lot of time with, ends up being awesome at pretty much everything, so when translating them you usually cut it down a bit (they've already got Beast and Forge, where, particularly with the latter, being the smart guy is far more integral to their role in the team).

True. Forge needs the tech thing because he is a non-combatant. Beast hasn't done much in a while. But, yeah, Shadowcat has to be the spunky intangible girl. ;)
 
Good episode.

My one nit is how Kitty acts so self-righteous about Forge getting captured, but that's entirely her fault, and the show seems to side with her.

I actually saw that more as them assigning Forge the comic relief persona yet again. I think no matter who would have been in the Kitty position (superior), Forge would still be shown as the incompetent one (inferior). Again, it's the "what funny thing is Forge going to do this time." I'll learn to tune out his character, atleast i hope so...
 
great episode, though I hated polaris's look.

I know, me too. Ick. But I guess it worked for the whole "crazy Polaris" thing. Those Lensherr/Maximoff/Dane children are always flying off their rockers.
 
Wasnt a fan of Polaris' look as well...the hair really was the thing that did it in for me...so now we have two females with short green hair?! LOL

*other one being vertigo
 

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