Sequels Ok so, unpopular opinion time; I'm leary of X-Men reverting back to Marvel/Disney

[blackdragon6]

First and foremost i have issues with how Fox adapted the franchise. The sidelining of Cyclops, the treatment of Storm, sitting on great characters and villains etc..On the other hand i'm still weary about the X-franchise heading back to Marvel/Disney.

Sure i suspect Storm, and Cyclops would get treated better, on the other hand i doubt we'll get more films like Logan, Deadpool, or maybe even New Mutants (in terms of concept). And for the most part i think Fox did kinda fine by the franchise, and i honestly dug Apocalypse (not as much as the 2 previous films). I'm totally fine with Fantastic 4 going back though, cause i feel like that's a really smooth transition aesthetically and tonally.

 

[psylockolussus]

Logan in my opinion is overrated. As a film its good, but it literally killed the X-Men off screen. No thanks. While Deadpool is fun but acted like as a standalone. These movies should be connected and help each other out, that isnt happening in the Foxverse and that should stop. While the New Mutants completely missed the premise of the source material.

 

[blackdragon6]

Logan in my opinion is overrated. As a film its good, but it literally killed the X-Men off screen. No thanks. While Deadpool is fun but acted like as a standalone. These movies should be connected and help each other out, that isnt happening in the Foxverse and that should stop. While the New Mutants completely missed the premise of the source material.

None of which is necessarily a argument for why Marvel should get them back as opposed to FOX continue making them. Not only that, the point still stands those were good movies.

 

[NotNickFury]

Logan in my opinion is overrated. As a film its good, but it literally killed the X-Men off screen. No thanks. While Deadpool is fun but acted like as a standalone. These movies should be connected and help each other out, that isnt happening in the Foxverse and that should stop. While the New Mutants completely missed the premise of the source material.

I didn't realize the movie was out...

But you would know.

 

[Frankeh]

I think Marvel is capable of making just as good if not better X-Men movies. I think the best days of FOX X-Men movies are behind us (I prefer the main X-Men movies over Logan or Deadpool), and there's simply too much potential FOX has been sitting on or has wasted.

I can't say for certain what Marvel's product will be like. But we do have evidence of FOX's consistent weaknesses even in their best movies. Weak treatment of a lot of X-Men. Repetitive plot points and character dynamics. Downplaying of outlandish elements from comics. Weak costume design.

The possibility of a different approach is enough to entice me.

I didn't realize the movie was out...

But you would know.

The OP hasn't seen the movie either, yet he's giving FOX credit for it for concept (just as psylock is using the concept as a minus).

 

[Shikamaru]

Are you talking about the continuity of those films or the R-rating? If it's the R-rating, Bog Iger already said Disney is looking into R-rated films and that Deadpool will stay R.

If it's the continuity, Deadpool I suspect will continue as-is. I mean, he's the one superhero you can cross over just because he says so. The less it makes sense the merrier for him .

New Mutants isn't out yet so we can't comment.

 

[Marvel united]

Black Panther squashed any doubts I had about Marvel not being able to handle the serious themes of the X-Men.

 

[blackdragon6]

Black Panther squashed any doubts I had about Marvel not being able to handle the serious themes of the X-Men.

Agreed about BP, but like i said in another thread i'm willing to bet that some execs somewhere was squirming in their chairs at what Ryan Coogler was doing

 

[psylockolussus]

I didn't realize the movie was out...

But you would know.

Well its only been delayed to August 2019.

 

[katie_girl09]

If the rights go back to Marvel, I just hope they finally get rid of Bryan Singer. I feel like he has a lot to do with my loss of interest in X-men films. Not only do I think he is a disgusting human being, I think his view of the X-men universe is very narrow and lacking in diversity. That last part is especially ironic considering the subject matter and Singer's place within the LGBTQ community.

 

[EnDz0n3]

If the rights go back to Marvel, I just hope they finally get rid of Bryan Singer. I feel like he has a lot to do with my loss of interest in X-men films. Not only do I think he is a disgusting human being, I think his view of the X-men universe is very narrow and lacking in diversity. That last part is especially ironic considering the subject matter and Singer's place within the LGBTQ community.

He’s gone. They’re Kinberg’s babies now. For better or worse.

 

[Lip]

Agreed about BP, but like i said in another thread i'm willing to bet that some execs somewhere was squirming in their chairs at what Ryan Coogler was doing

I think it's worth noticing that the risk taking in Marvel started with James Gunn in the first Guardians of the Galaxy. Then came Ragnanok and now Black Panther. So those movies are paving the way for more creative freedom and risk taking.

So even if some execs were "squirming in their chairs" a little about what Coogler was doing, I bet they were more confident after the payoff of Guardians and Ragnarok.

If the rights go back to Marvel, I just hope they finally get rid of Bryan Singer. I feel like he has a lot to do with my loss of interest in X-men films. Not only do I think he is a disgusting human being, I think his view of the X-men universe is very narrow and lacking in diversity. That last part is especially ironic considering the subject matter and Singer's place within the LGBTQ community.

Unfortunately minorities can be insensitive towards other minorities too. I've never enjoyed Singer's vision of women and his disinterest for people of color.

 

[blackdragon6]

So even if some execs were "squirming in their chairs" a little about what Coogler was doing, I bet they were more confident after the payoff of Guardians and Ragnarok.


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No Offense but Ragnarok, and Guardians 2 was just Disney/Marvel turned up to eleven. And shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Black Panther lol

 

[Frankeh]

No Offense but Ragnarok, and Guardians 2 was just Disney/Marvel turned up to eleven. And shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Black Panther lol

The first Guardians of the Galaxy was absolutely considered something fresh when it came out. It was a comedy and it was a space opera.

 

[def28]

Yeah, that comment makes zero sense. GOTG was a movie that plenty thought would fail and was an extreme risk because of how weird and zany it was. Now that it was a scucess and it's not a new thing anymore people seem to forget that.

There was nothing like it and the Deadpool writers even said it's success helped with Deadpool getting moved forward.

 

[blackdragon6]

The first Guardians of the Galaxy was absolutely considered something fresh when it came out. It was a comedy and it was a space opera.

Sure, if you over look other space operas with comedy like Ice Pirates, and The Last Star Fighter.

Yeah, that comment makes zero sense. GOTG was a movie that plenty thought would fail and was an extreme risk because of how weird and zany it was. Now that it was a scucess and it's not a new thing anymore people seem to forget that.

There's nothing risky about a Sci-Fi comedy in space with a talking raccoon. C'mon man y'all reaching.

 

[Frankeh]

There's nothing risky about a Sci-Fi comedy in space with a talking raccoon. C'mon man y'all reaching.

Nothing risky about a talking raccoon? You're contradicting yourself. If any reaching is being done here it's by you unfortunately.

Neither Ice Pirates nor Last Star Fighter are comic book movies. If you're gonna use that argument I might as well inform you that Logan is a western which has been done before.

 

[blackdragon6]

Nothing risky about a talking raccoon? You're contradicting yourself. If any reaching is being done here it's by you unfortunately.

Neither Ice Pirates nor Last Star Fighter are comic book movies. If you're gonna use that argument I might as well inform you that Logan is a western which has been done before.

The way you said it, made it seem like a comedic space opera wasn't done before, and that's just not true. In a world of talking got damn chipmunks in live action, there was nothing risky about rocket. Marvel does different genres in the same tone and style (excluding BP, and the Captain America films). There's differences, but it's very superficial. For better or for worse Rogue One was nothing like TFA. That's what i meant, but i think you knew that. Logan is a western but it has it's own identity without an assembly line tone and style. And you're being overly obtuse and defensive about a studio that isn't paying you or me lol.

 

[Frankeh]

In a world of talking got damn chipmunks in live action, there was nothing risky about rocket. Marvel does different genres in the same tone and style (excluding BP, and the Captain America films). There's differences, but it's very superficial.

Except no one takes the talking chipmunks seriously. Those movies are all rotten on RT. Are you really making this comparison now?

Anyway, Marvel movies being assemply line is just your opinion. As I said, GOTG was considered a fresh comic book movie when it came out and it's true. As def28 said it encouraged the Deadpool filmmakers.

Logan is a western but it has it's own identity without an assembly line tone and style.

So does GOTG.

And you're being overly obtuse and defensive about a studio that isn't paying you or me lol.

Spoken by someone defending Fox? Leery of Marvel properties returning to Marvel? Maybe don't accuse me of something you're doing.

 

[blackdragon6]

Spoken by someone defending Fox? Leery of Marvel properties returning to Marvel?

Defending FOX??? I made sure to put my grievances into the first post. I didn't give them a pass, i already explained my issues with them.

 

[Herofan]

I think in terms of quality and even style there's not that great a difference between the Fox films and MCU but therefore I'm not enthusiastic about the move to MCU ... the biggest problem with both universes is feeling crowded and therefore underdeveloped (although with Fox also with some characters getting too much focus too often) and the overcrowding is likely to increase with now crossover-ing to other Marvel characters.

 

[Lip]

No Offense but Ragnarok, and Guardians 2 was just Disney/Marvel turned up to eleven. And shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Black Panther lol

Sure, if you over look other space operas with comedy like Ice Pirates, and The Last Star Fighter.

There's nothing risky about a Sci-Fi comedy in space with a talking raccoon. C'mon man y'all reaching.

Well...

From The New York Post:
Is ‘Guardians of the Galaxy’ Marvel’s biggest gamble?

From The Hollywood Reporter:
Why 'Guardians of the Galaxy' Is the Riskiest Marvel Film Since 'Iron Man' (Analysis)

From The Guardian:
Guardians of the Galaxy review – a whip-smart, risky space romp

From Variety:
How Marvel Guards Its Properties But Isn’t Afraid to Take Chances With Its ‘Galaxy’

And if you google, you'll find a lot more. From respectable people. So you wanting or not, GOTG was Marvel taking risks.

And if you follow your own logic by saying GOTG is not risky because there were other space operas with comedy like Ice Pirates and Last Star Fighter, then you have to say there is nothing risky and unique about Logan or Deadpool because Logan is certainly not the first and only character-driven western movie, and Deadpool is certainly not the first and only character who breaks the forthwall or the first and only rated-r action comedy.

 

[Frankeh]

Lip

 

[blackdragon6]

Well...

From The New York Post:
Is ‘Guardians of the Galaxy’ Marvel’s biggest gamble?

From The Hollywood Reporter:
Why 'Guardians of the Galaxy' Is the Riskiest Marvel Film Since 'Iron Man' (Analysis)

From The Guardian:
Guardians of the Galaxy review – a whip-smart, risky space romp

From Variety:
How Marvel Guards Its Properties But Isn’t Afraid to Take Chances With Its ‘Galaxy’

And if you google, you'll find a lot more. From respectable people. So you wanting or not, GOTG was Marvel taking risks.

And if you follow your own logic by saying GOTG is not risky because there were other space operas with comedy like Ice Pirates and Last Star Fighter, then you have to say there is nothing risky and unique about Logan or Deadpool because Logan is certainly not the first and only character-driven western movie, and Deadpool is certainly not the first and only character who breaks the forthwall or the first and only rated-r action comedy.

None of that has anything to do with what i meant, def28 is the one that brought up risk. My reservations had little to do with risks. I said concept, but what i really meant was tone and style specifically from Marvel. Which in turn got GOTG brought up because it was "different" which is not really what i meant in the first place.

 

[Lip]

None of that has anything to do with what i meant, def28 is the one that brought up risk. My reservations had little to do with risks. I said concept, but what i really meant was tone and style specifically from Marvel. Which in turn got GOTG brought up because it was "different" which is not really what i meant in the first place.

You did say there is nothing risky about GOTG:

There's nothing risky about a Sci-Fi comedy in space with a talking raccoon. C'mon man y'all reaching.

That's why I brought up a few of the many articles with critics talking about the risk GOTG was.

And anyway, my first post was this:

I think it's worth noticing that the risk taking in Marvel started with James Gunn in the first Guardians of the Galaxy. Then came Ragnanok and now Black Panther. So those movies are paving the way for more creative freedom and risk taking.

So even if some execs were "squirming in their chairs" a little about what Coogler was doing, I bet they were more confident after the payoff of Guardians and Ragnarok.

In other words, I'm saying that Marvel is slowly opening up to more and more creative freedom and risk taking. It started with GOTG, which was risky, then Ragnarok and Black Panther. I'm saying these movies are paving the way to more and more creative freedom. And I expect Marvel will continue this path that proved to be very successful for them.