One good thing about the Star Wars Special Editions

[Matt]

I am watching them on HBO, and one good thing I can say about the edits are at least they took out Vader's breathing effect while he talks.

 

[Matt]

Although is it me, or did Lucas take the devil-man out of Mos Eisely? Nothing is worth that

 

[Apollo]

star wars is great,to me theres nothing really ever wrong with it. though i wish jar jar talked more like that captain tarples, and less of an idiot,

 

[Movies205]

To be honest part of the thing about Star Wars is that it's great to get behind geek causes and make bigger things out of things than they really are. Outside of Greedo shoots first, there's nothing that really destorys the movie.

Like let's be honest is there anything wrong with fixing the speeders so it doesn't look like vaseline rubbed on the lens anymore? My only beef with the special edition is it erases all the great work of special effects prior to CGI, like the Jim Henson puppets in the Return of the Jedi with Jabba and there singing and dancing were awesome, or the empire strieks back cave monster... But I was never really that irked at the changes outside of a film historian point of view.

 

[Apollo]

ok, i've heard people keep talking about greedo shooting first, han shooting first and making big deals about this, But i have no idea what the hell everyone keeps complaing about? what is it a movie mistake or somthing during the han and greedo chats??????

 

[Addendum]

ok, i've heard people keep talking about greedo shooting first, han shooting first and making big deals about this, But i have no idea what the hell everyone keeps complaing about? what is it a movie mistake or somthing during the han and greedo chats??????

It's that Lucas had the technology back when he made Star Wars to have Greedo shoot first. He didn't though, because it wasn't in the script.

So then, 20 years later after he's had kids, he decides to have Greedo shoot first, digitally move part of Han Solo in a bizarre dodge move, and then have Han kill Greedo because he thought Han was "too evil". Essentially, Lucas' balls fell off

The only thing is Han was amoral, but then gets a change of heart at the end of the movie, after thinking about what's going to happen to his new pal that he made rescuing some chick from a battle station, and seeing a ragtag group of freedom fighters' loyalty to a mission to destroy said battle station that any other person would think "You're ****ing nuts"

 

[Immortalfire]

Han didn't shoot first. He shot only.

 

[gap5ewl]

I actually like the new effects Lucas put in. Especially during the Bespin scenes because it makes cloud city look way better. And the celebration scene at the end of jedi where they show Naboo, Tatooine, Bespin and Coruscant celebrating th death of the emperor. Oh and also that thet put Ian McDiamard in Empire finally.

 

[gap5ewl]

To be honest part of the thing about Star Wars is that it's great to get behind geek causes and make bigger things out of things than they really are. Outside of Greedo shoots first, there's nothing that really destorys the movie.

Like let's be honest is there anything wrong with fixing the speeders so it doesn't look like vaseline rubbed on the lens anymore? My only beef with the special edition is it erases all the great work of special effects prior to CGI, like the Jim Henson puppets in the Return of the Jedi with Jabba and there singing and dancing were awesome, or the empire strieks back cave monster... But I was never really that irked at the changes outside of a film historian point of view.

yeah star wars fans make the biggest deal out of the smalles things. seriously it doesnt do anything to the plot and makes han look less like scum bag. but of course star wars purists now feel lucas has raped their childhood so they must complain

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

yeah star wars fans make the biggest deal out of the smalles things. seriously it doesnt do anything to the plot and makes han look less like scum bag. but of course star wars purists now feel lucas has raped their childhood so they must complain

In an artistic and cultural context however, these things ARE pretty big.
You know how I know?

'Cause, name me all the other movies from the 70's where the director spent MILLIONS of dollars to use cutting edge technology (that he helped develop for just such a purpose), just to change tiny plot details from the original.

The tiny plot details have had more of an impact than those of other movies.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

yeah star wars fans make the biggest deal out of the smalles things. seriously it doesnt do anything to the plot and makes han look less like scum bag. but of course star wars purists now feel lucas has raped their childhood so they must complain

First of all, you're on a superhero movie messageboard, and I'm sure you're familiar with the saying about glass houses and stones. Second, Han's whole character arc is from 'scum bag' as you put it, to hero. He goes from selfish pirate who will shoot first, to hero of the rebellion. So to say that having Greedo shoot first doesn't do anything to the plot is completely wrong.

 

[Movies205]

First of all, you're on a superhero movie messageboard, and I'm sure you're familiar with the saying about glass houses and stones. Second, Han's whole character arc is from 'scum bag' as you put it, to hero. He goes from selfish pirate who will shoot first, to hero of the rebellion. So to say that having Greedo shoot first doesn't do anything to the plot is completely wrong.

Poor gap5ewl I'm the one who made hte original comment and he's taking all the heat for it However, he did misinterpret me somewhat since I would considering the Han/Gredo shooting first a big thing as well but outside of that I don't remember any major changes(I own the SEs and the original on VHS, but it's been a while since I've seen either so correct me if I'm wrong), and some of which I agree with. On the otherhand I'd also make the argument that a lot of the changes are completely super-ficial and don't really add anything, some even in minor ways hurt the original narrative. One of the biggest things is the Empire Strikes Back Monster, in the original production the puppet wasn't working rihgt so they had to do quick cuts so you never really see the monster. This created a great effect, so in the SEs they went back and added the monster, it kind of diminish the effect, it didn't hurt hte plot of hte film but what you had was a great cinema techique traded for cheap CGI. So on the whole I have no issue with the SEs but do I see a super-need for them, no, though some of the additions I do like and some I don't.

 

[gap5ewl]

Poor gap5ewl I'm the one who made hte original comment and he's taking all the heat for it However, he did misinterpret me somewhat since I would considering the Han/Gredo shooting first a big thing as well but outside of thatI don't remember any major changes(I own the SEs and the original on VHS, but it's been a while since I've seen either so correct me if I'm wrong), and some of which I agree with. On the otherhand I'd also make the argument that a lot of the changes are completely super-ficial and don't really add anything, some even in minor ways hurt the original narrative. One of the biggest things is the Empire Strikes Back Monster, in the original production the puppet wasn't working rihgt so they had to do quick cuts so you never really see the monster. This created a great effect, so in the SEs they went back and added the monster, it kind of diminish the effect, it didn't hurt hte plot of hte film but what you had was a great cinema techique traded for cheap CGI. So on the whole I have no issue with the SEs but do I see a super-need for them, no, though some of the additions I do like and some I don't.

Yes there's a lot of changes that don't add anything really. I can understand the Han shoots first but it's not a big deal really it doesnt take away from his character. He is still hesitant to join the rebellion, he is still a loner who only cares about himself throughout the film, he still comes off as a "scum bag" so him shooting first or second doesn't do anything. But you have to admit when fans complain that Lucas added a brief cgi extenstion of the space battle towards the end of ANH or changed Boba Fetts voice for continiuty in Empire, that's taken it a little too far.

 

[blud_knight]

who cares anyway you should never let anything dominate your life. Not movies, books, government or religion. When you let something consume you, you forget who you are. You stop thinking for yourself. You become a tool. Once its lost, you may never come back. If that is what they want for themselves then I laugh at them.

 

[Warhammer]

To be honest part of the thing about Star Wars is that it's great to get behind geek causes and make bigger things out of things than they really are. Outside of Greedo shoots first, there's nothing that really destorys the movie.

Like let's be honest is there anything wrong with fixing the speeders so it doesn't look like vaseline rubbed on the lens anymore? My only beef with the special edition is it erases all the great work of special effects prior to CGI, like the Jim Henson puppets in the Return of the Jedi with Jabba and there singing and dancing were awesome, or the empire strieks back cave monster... But I was never really that irked at the changes outside of a film historian point of view.

Seconded.

 

[patrickbateman]

((stares))

why does hayden show up in the end? where's liam neeson?

 

[hey yo its sean]

I'm not going to get into the "Anakin" arguement, but why would Liam Neeson show up?

 

[blud_knight]

^because the movies suck that much

 

[Apollo]

they shouldn't have had hayden show up, they should have kept it the way it was

 

[hey yo its sean]

who cares anyway you should never let anything dominate your life. Not movies, books, government or religion. When you let something consume you, you forget who you are. You stop thinking for yourself. You become a tool. Once its lost, you may never come back. If that is what they want for themselves then I laugh at them.

Speaking of becoming a tool. Hahah get a load of this guy.

 

[Apollo]

i went back and watched the old ending ewok music from the VHS tapes i had of return on the jedi, and its so funny listening to it again , it brings back old memories...

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

to hell with laim nelson(everything though he;s on of the best actors we've ever produced from my country) why wasnt Charles Barkley there at the end of jedi

 

[blud_knight]

Speaking of becoming a tool. Hahah get a load of this guy.

you make me laugh.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I care nothing for fan movements, but I am very intrested in storytelling, Joseph Campbell, and so on. Han killing someone in cold blood, casually, is very different from Han defending himself when someone is trying to kill him.

The very fact that Lucas did change it in the first place shows that he knows this.

 

[The Kid]

Special Editions isn't what star wars fans are mad about. They're mad about the treatment of the original editions which lucas intentionally treats like crap even though they're a major part of cinema history.

So this thing is bigger than all of us here at our little computers. This ongoing war between Lucas and the raped childhood of fanboys and fangirls is for the sake of doing whats right, which is treating the originals with some damn respect.

*steps down off soapbox*