Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[shinlyle]

How ironic.

Huh?

I think I prefer your long-winded responses to the "two random words and a smiley" posts.

 

[moraldeficiency]

You know what I find ironic? People that don't know what irony is but still use it in a sentence.

 

[shinlyle]

You know what I find ironic? People that don't know what irony is but still use it in a sentence.

I think "Irony" is misused almost as much as "Dynamic".

Congrats on the engagement, too, man!

 

[moraldeficiency]

Thanks a lot, I'm pretty psyched about the whole thing. Congrats on the kid, great name.

 

[Blader5489]

The irony being that farmernudie is clamoring for the "good ol' days" of Spider-Man comics, but is against BND, which provides exactly that--a return to the "good ol' days" of Spidey.

Didn't think I needed to spell it out.

 

[iloveclones]

You know what I find ironic? People that don't know what irony is but still use it in a sentence.

That's not really irony, though. That's just bad schooling.

The fact that people are not using it incorrectly bothers you is ironic, though.

This is a fun game. Who else wants to play?

 

[kainedamo]

The irony being that farmernudie is clamoring for the "good ol' days" of Spider-Man comics, but is against BND, which provides exactly that--a return to the "good ol' days" of Spidey.

Didn't think I needed to spell it out.

BND isn't a return to the "good ol' days", it's a cheap sham. You can't just say "we've destroyed the history of the character, therefore this is the good ol' days".

Cheap tactics do not make good stories.

Classic and good storytelling should not require selective deletion of history. In fact its just bad storytelling to even attempt this. It's like saying "let's chop off a characters hand for a new direction in the story", rather than just trying to tell a good story.

 

[moraldeficiency]

That's not really irony, though. That's just bad schooling.

The fact that people are not using it incorrectly bothers you is ironic, though.

This is a fun game. Who else wants to play?

Nope, there's three types or irony: verbal, dramatic and situational. This is the def. for dramatic (or tragic)from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Dramatic (or tragic) irony is a disparity of expression and awareness: when words and actions possess a significance that the listener or audience understands, but the speaker or actor does not.
So if blader expressed irony but was not aware of what irony is thus making him look foolish to audience members such as myself (but obviously not you), then that in itself is dramatically(or tragicly, as its more common term) ironic. It's also dramatically ironic that you tried to correct me on the defination of irony without fully comprehending it yourself. Sorry I know you were looking to play gotcha, but bad choice of subjects for it. It is bad schooling as well though, but maybe you also need a refresher course on english.

I do however agree this is a fun game.

 

[nobndfan]

BND isn't a return to the "good ol' days", it's a cheap sham. You can't just say "we've destroyed the history of the character, therefore this is the good ol' days".

Cheap tactics do not make good stories.

Classic and good storytelling should not require selective deletion of history. In fact its just bad storytelling to even attempt this. It's like saying "let's chop off a characters hand for a new direction in the story", rather than just trying to tell a good story.

Has anyone read JMS' book on screenwriting? It is incredible, and he pretty much agrees with what you're saying here about bad writing. I didn't like *everything* that JMS did on Spidey, but he gave the stories great depth, and made the characters very human. Like his plots or hate them (I tend to love them), he wrote GOOD stories.

 

[Blader5489]

BND isn't a return to the "good ol' days", it's a cheap sham. You can't just say "we've destroyed the history of the character, therefore this is the good ol' days".

I wasn't talking about how it got there, I was just referring to how it is. The current status quo is that of the "good ol' days.

Classic and good storytelling should not require selective deletion of history. In fact its just bad storytelling to even attempt this.

Eh... not really. I mean, using a retcon as the basis for your story may not be good in theory, but it's the execution that matters. Brubaker's Captain America is a good example of this.

And moraldeficiency, I apologize if my "how ironic" statement confused you. From now on, I'll try to simplify my posts more often so that you can keep up.

 

[iloveclones]

Nope, there's three types or irony: verbal, dramatic and situational. This is the def. for dramatic (or tragic)from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Dramatic (or tragic) irony is a disparity of expression and awareness: when words and actions possess a significance that the listener or audience understands, but the speaker or actor does not.
So if blader expressed irony but was not aware of what irony is thus making him look foolish to audience members such as myself (but obviously not you), then that in itself is dramatically(or tragicly, as its more common term) ironic. It's also dramatically ironic that you tried to correct me on the defination of irony without fully comprehending it yourself. Sorry I know you were looking to play gotcha, but bad choice of subjects for it. It is bad schooling as well though, but maybe you also need a refresher course on english.

I do however agree this is a fun game.

You haven't proven that blader doesn't understand irony. Which is central to the whole thing. In fact, he understands it perfectly. Now you, like kainedamo, might not agree with his conclusions that he draws(that BND is old school), but that doesn't change the fact that if the premise is that BND is old school (which blader obviously believes) than farmernudie's comment was in fact ironic(to blader), because in blader's opinion there are infact old school spidey comics being produced, just ones that farmernudies refuses to read. It doesn't matter whether they are actually old school or not (because that is subjective) They are old school to blader, so farmenudie's comment is perfectly ironic to his perspective.

Which makes your comment suspect. Because if you do not understand that blader's comment was ironic, and you are poking fun at him for not understanding irony, that is textbook irony.

And I didn't need an online dictionary

I beginning to feel like I'm a box of Cream of Wheat (a no-prize to anyone who can tell me the significance to this conversation.)

 

[moraldeficiency]

You haven't proven that blader doesn't understand irony. Which is central to the whole thing. In fact, he understands it perfectly. Now you, like kainedamo, might not agree with his conclusions that he draws(that BND is old school), but that doesn't change the fact that if the premise is that BND is old school (which blader obviously believes) than farmernudie's comment was in fact ironic(to blader), because in blader's opinion there are infact old school spidey comics being produced, just ones that farmernudies refuses to read. It doesn't matter whether they are actually old school or not (because that is subjective) They are old school to blader, so farmenudie's comment is perfectly ironic to his perspective.

Which makes your comment suspect. Because if you do not understand that blader's comment was ironic, and you are poking fun at him for not understanding irony, that is textbook irony.

And I didn't need an online dictionary

I beginning to feel like I'm a box of Cream of Wheat (a no-prize to anyone who can tell me the significance to this conversation.)

Ok, then subjectively, blader found the comment ironic, so he's right on that. And subjectively I did not, so I found his comment on irony ironic, and I'm correct also. So based on what you've given as ground rules for irony the only comment incorrect is your own. Because you stated that (after explaining blader had bad schooling) that I was incorrect even though now you go back and say since it's subjective we're both correct (and therefore you are wrong) based on our personal perspectives.

If IMO I don't find anything about BRAND NEW DAY old school (I guess all the new characters, creative direction, writers/artists scheaduling, confused me about how old school it actually is) then my comment is just as correct as blader's. To defend him while trying to nail me with the exact arguement is also kinda ironic(it's all over the place).

You are correct that you didn't need an online dictionary, but a logic course might help you.

 

[iloveclones]

I'll be sitting right behind you. (All the cool kids sit in the back.)

 

[moraldeficiency]

I'll be sitting right behind you. (All the cool kids sit in the back.)

silly wabbit, going to school's for suckers who can't play sports.

 

[Themanofbat]

My dog ate my homework...

 

[farmernudie]

Well....in MY original post..i was talking about getting away from "Arcs" and events and multiple creative teams breaking things up, as well as events.

So, I am not seeing the IRONY in me not liking, or wanting to buy a comic book with alternate retroactively altered history/present...with 3X multiple creative ARCS as being the same as the good ol' days of 12 issues and an annual.

If Blader wants to call them the same thing..i guess he can...but it again would be comparing apples to coconuts.

OMD/BND is far from what we used to read in the good old days. It could be told with marriage or without. Heck, this isn't even the same Peter....the Peter I grew up reading grew up and got married/was married for the past 20 years. THIS Peter NEVER got married.

BUt yeh...Harry is alive again and Pete is living with Aunt May again and he is pumped for wheatcakes. And Pete banters. But he has ALWAYS done that. Yeh...this is not what i was originally talking about at all.

 

[DoomRulz]

I wasn't talking about how it got there, I was just referring to how it is. The current status quo is that of the "good ol' days.



Eh... not really. I mean, using a retcon as the basis for your story may not be good in theory, but it's the execution that matters. Brubaker's Captain America is a good example of this.

And moraldeficiency, I apologize if my "how ironic" statement confused you. From now on, I'll try to simplify my posts more often so that you can keep up.

When did Brubaker retcon Captain America??

 

[iloveclones]

BND is far from what we used to read in the good old days.

Well, my good old days date back to a pre-married Pete. So to me, it's right on. I can't speak for the Johnny-come-latelies who have only been around for 20 years.

 

[Venom 1988]

When did Brubaker retcon Captain America??

I believe he is refering to Bucky still being alive.

 

[Themanofbat]

Well, my good old days date back to a pre-married Pete. So to me, it's right on. I can't speak for the Johnny-come-latelies who have only been around for 20 years.

And to this, I would agree as well...

 

[Blader5489]

I believe he is refering to Bucky still being alive.

Yep.

 

[farmernudie]

ILOVE CLONES: Well, my good old days date back to a pre-married Pete. So to me, it's right on. I can't speak for the Johnny-come-latelies who have only been around for 20 years.

Yeh, well, I 've collected since the start, and pretty much every title of spidey there ever has been.

I can only speak for me....and like i stated,...this doesn't feel like the old comics to me personally...nor is this the same Peter to me.

Sure, they're are (overly-trying) to retroactively make him feel "young and hip" again...old cover styles, lettering....etc...but it just feels very wrong to me and very forced.
Even more, we've got more arcs than before, a poorly written agenda that is the premise for the entire thing...and in general, to me, more of the stuff that's been making spidey weak. (and the industry in general...not just spidey)

Again, I'd like to return to the days of 12 issues and an annual, a creative team that can actually write and delve into their stories without interuptions by events, arcs, reboots, creative team changes, announcements, shock and awe, "new #1" title relaunches etc.

That's my opinion.

 

[Endless Flight]

Again, I'd like to return to the days of 12 issues and an annual, a creative team that can actually write and delve into their stories without interuptions by events, arcs, reboots, creative team changes, announcements, shock and awe, "new #1" title relaunches etc.

It's funny how the fans get it, but the suits don't. They just keep circling the drain in a vicious cycle that'll end the industry eventually.

 

[Themanofbat]

Even more, we've got more arcs than before...

That's my opinion.

I wouldn't necessarily call them "arcs", because unlike "arcs", which have had the typical begining, middle and end parts that just make for great TradePaperBack wrapping, these stories have had a nice continual flow with stuff not even getting resolved when fill-in-the-blank creative team is finished with its third issue...

THAT... to me, is what a comics should be like, and I am glad with this new direction.

I have gone from being terribly upset with OMD and the new status quo and the obvious "glitches" in continuity and for the first time in a long time, I actually look forward to next issue... a feeling once lost, but I'm glad it's back.

And I truly respect your opinion farmie... you typically come across as well spoken and quite polite (as opposed to many others), and if BND/Spider-Man is not in your future, I hope that you discover many new and cool comics out there... Invincible is a super-hero book that would probably be right up your alley.

Cheers...

TMoB

 

[BlackLantern]

I like the new direction....I was ok with Parker having a GF, I was never OK with him being married. I think this lends itself to lots of different storytelling opportunities....IMO Married = Boring