First Avenger "Over There"....The USO plot point thread

[roach]

I created this because it seems every other Cap thread turns into a discussion of this point....discuss

 

[afan]

I've got nothin' to say

 

[roach]

sonova@#$%!

 

[goldenboy]

If they're actually going through with this plot point, I wonder how they're gonna present the shows. Just generic song and dance stuff with no-name entertainers, and Steve? Or are they gonna have actors portraying Bob Hope, The Andrews Sisters, Lauren Bacall, etc?

Is he gonna be doing feats of strength, acrobatics, stuff like that too? Just hard to imagine a non-ridiculous scenario, whatever it is.

 

[superkong 500]

I hope they limit the show to a stark arriving at the expo escenario with steve just standing there smiling and holding his shield(maybe saying a few words or a speach) and some people doing a dance chreography. Not cap actually fliping and running around doing acrobatics and stuff, leave that for spidey.

 

[roach]

Cap is actually pretty acrobatic...and thinking abut it they are not going to dress this guy up in a colorful suit just for him to come out and give a speech

 

[Artistsean]

Off the top of my head I would say demonstrations of his fighting skills and abilities, tumbling, leaping, throwing his shield, stuff like that.
But Whatever they have him do has to be enough to make the soldiers in the audience remember him and be inspired by him on the battlefield for later on.

 

[roach]

which raises another question...does he get the shield he throws as a uso performer or after.....my guess would be he gets the triangle one and after the realize his potential they give him the round indestructable one

 

[Nirvana]

If they don't incorporate:

1. Cap punching out a fake Hitler
2. The Captain America theme song

Then the entire USO plot point will have missed a golden opportunity.

 

[Webhead2006]

well i do hope what ever happens with this uso storyline it will come out well.

 

[roach]

If they don't incorporate:

1. Cap punching out a fake Hitler
2. The Captain America theme song

Then the entire USO plot point will have missed a golden opportunity.

I'd rather he punch out the real Hitler

 

[That person]

I'd rather he punch out the real Hitler

They can't all be Inglourious Basterds.

 

[roach]

Cap punched Hitler before Inglorious Basterds was eve a thought

 

[TikkiEXX]

Bucky killed Hitler..just sayin. lol

 

[roach]

Hitler is believed to be dead, and he must let the world think that he is dead, until he can find a way to control the raging spirit that dwells within him. DAH DAH DA DAHHHH

 

[TikkiEXX]

lol, but Bucky actually did kill Hitler. he accidentally told on himself in an issue of The Avengers a while back. he didnt come right out and say it but ya know.

 

[roach]

This is a government secret and I could get the death penalty for telling you this but everyone knows Hitler was killed by America's top agents. You may know them as the Three Stooges...they were actual super agents...their bodies capable of withstanding vast amounts of damage....it happened during a massive cream pie fight in Berlin

 

[TikkiEXX]

lmao. haha

 

[afan]

good point, works both ways. it wouldve sucked if Jimmy hadve been killed tho. hes one of my all time favorite actors. hmmm, maybe a cameo?

Grabbed these quotes from the costume thread....seems obvious that the discussion belongs here now.......

One of the rationalizations for Cap in the USO is the desire not to lose the only super soldier, to keep him safe, but keep in mind that Glen Miller was lost when his plane went down, and he was a USO performer. Not saying the risk to a USO performer is as great as one in combat, but that even appearing in the USO in WWII contained an element of risk.

So... an unproven military experiment would probably be better suited in the USO raising funds because that is what the US military did in all their infinite wisdom back then... that was my point. And that is why I think that the USO angle makes alot of sense, for the movie. In reality, its absurd... but that was what the Military had to do to sell war bonds and boost moral about a war that was anything but glamorous.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here... just trying to make a point that the USO angle is not thrown in there willy-nilly to just explain the costume without giving it some serious thought to the validity of the scenario... I say that we wait and see how it plays out before we call the idea horse$hlt.

I never assume anyone is trying to pick a fight, we are just exchanging opinions.

See my point is that the experiment would not be unproven. After the serum, Steve would be studied ad-nauseum. It's the only scenario that makes sense.

For the sake of argument... a weapon is developed, at great expense of time and resource, that in theory will remove every bolt and nut from any type of hardware; planes, ships, tanks, etc.. The weapon is produced, now what's the first thing that will occur......Find out if the theory works by testing it....over and over and over again. That's the way it works in the "real" world and to make a fantastic film real, things must play out realistically. That's a cornerstone of successful comic book films.

That would also be what they would do with Rogers. He would be put through very rigorous testing. The super-soldier project would not be an unproven experiment, it would either be proven a flop or a valuable weapon, and if it is a valuable weapon, which we know to be true, and as the story of the film will prove out; Why the USO?

Now once Cap becomes the bonafide super hero of WWII then the USO tour makes some sense but not as the most valuable use from the get go.

 

[Son of Coul]

I think the USO Show angle sounds great and there's not really much to praise or gripe about because we have no idea how they're gonna play it. Most people seem to be just jumping to conclusions on this.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea there is alot they can do with this uso plot. And we shouldnt knock it yet. Since we dont know what is going to be happening in these scenes, how many scenes it will be yet. For all we know it could be 2-3 scenes and cap is just on stage doing a preformance of skills, to doing a spreech, and then some chorus girls dancing or something.

 

[Rage]

It could be that the us government is both training him and studying him while he is part of the USO tour. Or he could already have been trained and studied to death and the US decided that he was best used for PR because of Steve's natural ability to lead and give patriotic speeches... OR MAYBE he goes AWOL from the USO before he is completely trained to save Bucky. We really don't know.

I always thought that they would put him in the costume of the character "Captain America" a pre-existing comic book and stage personality (much like Uncle Sam) His job would be to give the rah-rah speeches to the troops at the USO shows and possibly kick a little fake Nazi @ss... think Tom Cuise at the beginning of the Last Samurai... but less drunk.

This would explain how the costume would already have a look that they wanted to emulate. This would explain why people (in modern Marvel movies) don't really know about or mention Cap by name, because most would think of him as a character and not a "Super Hero" Those in the "know" like General Ross and Blonsky would know because they have a high enough clearance to read the files. Cap would appear on news reel footage and such, but most would assume it is a PR stunt... except for those few who actually saw him in action. His legend would be a modern urban war legend where people would say... "Captain America is an actor" and another guy would say..." I once saw him take down an entire unit of the SS while they had us pinned down in France... that was NO actor! That guy is super human!!"

So the general public forgets about him... much like they forgot about Howdy Doody and Roy Rogers etc... just another out dated character that time forgot... except he wasn't a character, but an actual living breathing person.

That is my take on it.

 

[TikkiEXX]

great post Rage. ive said earlier that we have no idea if the public knows about Cap or not. theres really been no reason to mention him. and im sure Gen. Ross and Howard Starks knew all about him, im just wondering if the general public does. i think they could play it either way. either hes some great war hero everyone thinks is dead, or hes basically a live action Uncle Sam who did tricks and sold war bonds. i think both could work and i find that aspect of the movie very interesting. cant wait to find out more myself. cant speak for others on the board.

 

[gdw]

Those who really think the government would NOT send him in to the USO clearly know nothing of the government.
You know the saying the shortest distance between two points is a straight line?
Well governments are the exact opposite. If there is a wasteful way to do something, they will do it.

 

[gdw]

Those who really think the government would NOT send him in to the USO clearly know nothing of the government.
You know the saying the shortest distance between two points is a straight line?
Well governments are the exact opposite. If there is a wasteful way to do something, they will do it.