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Pakistan Woman Stoned to Death for Marrying the Man She Loved

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If I live to be a million I doubt I'll ever understand evil BS like this.
 
Nothing gives a cheery start to my day like reading the most depressing news possible. Thanks, Hype. :(
 
True.

It's not so much a religion thing in Pakistan though. It's the fact that their way of life and their laws are extremely archaic. Like, middle ages archaic.
 
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Hoooo boy. Not getting into this one.

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This story just makes my day start like crap. :csad:
 
On topic of the story: I feel for the woman I really do. Arranged marriages when the two parties are unwilling to follow the tradition sucks... but if you live in an area where the law allows this form of justice you should do your best to move out unless you want to become a martyr. (Not that I am blaming her... just that I think she probably knew the outcome)

The laws of the country itself needs to change before anything else can really be done here.
 
On topic of the story: I feel for the woman I really do. Arranged marriages when the two parties are unwilling to follow the tradition sucks... but if you live in an area where the law allows this form of justice you should do your best to move out unless you want to become a martyr. (Not that I am blaming her... just that I think she probably knew the outcome)

The laws of the country itself needs to change before anything else can really be done here.

No, no, it doesn't sound like you're blaming her. You're just saying that she should have known better, and should have done everything differently to avoid being stoned to death by religious fanatics.
 
No, no, it doesn't sound like you're blaming her. You're just saying that she should have known better, and should have done everything differently to avoid being stoned to death by religious fanatics.

It goes a little bit beyond religious fanatics when it is written into the laws of the country. Also I don't know her personally... she may have wanted this to happen to bring attention to it, she may have thought her father would never go that far. Not enough information in the story to know for sure.
 
It goes a little bit beyond religious fanatics when it is written into the laws of the country. Also I don't know her personally... she may have wanted this to happen to bring attention to it, she may have thought her father would never go that far. Not enough information in the story to know for sure.

There is no law saying that a woman should be killed for marrying for love. There is a tradition that is both cultural and religious that says that a woman who marries outside of her family's wishes may be killed.

The law, which you seem so eager to point out, is that victim's family may forgive a murderer, and the murderer may be allowed to go free. That's how 'honor killings' are so-called legal; they designate certain people to kill the victim, then the family forgives them, so the killer is freed.

In this particular article, Farzana Iqbal, the victim, was waiting to appear in court to explain that her new husband did not kidnap her, as alleged by her family. While she was waiting outside the courthouse, her family attacked her and killed her. Her father admitted to participating in his own daughter's murder.

You are attempting to excuse this murder with shaming the victim, and attempting to place the blame squarely on her.
 
You are attempting to excuse this murder with shaming the victim, and attempting to place the blame squarely on her.

Putting words into my mouth and assuming my intentions will never win me over.
 
Putting words into my mouth and assuming my intentions will never win me over.

I don't have to assume, I can read. You said if she had done things differently, this wouldn't have happened to her. That is victim blaming.
 
I don't have to assume, I can read. You said if she had done things differently, this wouldn't have happened to her. That is victim blaming.

Perhaps I am just bad at explaining, I was speaking in generalities. She lived in a country where honor killings are normal. All I mean was due to her culture and her rebelling against the norm she probably knew that it was going to happen. Not that it should of happened.

I know several Pakistan families that fled for this very reason. I speak out of experience. It is a horrid situation but I don't think bringing up that leaving a country where this kind of retaliation is common and expected is such a bad thing. We can't just wave a wand and make an entire culture change overnight.

The types of questions I have are more of why her father was so ashamed of her decision, why did he think she was kidnapped in the first place and did she actually tell him all this and her father is just a murderer making things up.


Can't we have a conversation about the atrocities of a situation without coming at me with a pitchfork for mentioning the options she may of had and asking about the situation?
 
I don't have to assume, I can read. You said if she had done things differently, this wouldn't have happened to her. That is victim blaming.

It would be helpful to make distinctions between normative statements (what should or shouldn't be the reality of a situation) and practical statements (what was or wasn't in her control).

Normatively, yeah, no person should ever be persecuted for being with someone they love and it's tragic that these practices occur. Practically though, I'm sure this woman was aware of the risk she was taking and unfortunately she became a statistic. Should it happen? No. Was she aware it could happen? Probably.
 
It amazes me that this day in age someone cant even choose who they want to marry. And her own father admitting he participated in her death? Honor is more important than your own child? It's better to have "family honor" (and have your daughter be miserable when she marries someone she doesnt love) than just letting her choose who she wants? it's just so sad. There's no honor in killing, so the name of "Honor Killings" just disturbs me to my core. I just dont think this is something i'll ever understand. No offense meant to those who believe in this practice.
 
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