Parent Licence

[Bubonic]

Is having a child an unalienable human right?

Judging from the results of such laissez-faire parenting, I'd say it should be something that is earned.

The lack of proper parenting is probably one of the leading causes of criminality.
Oftentimes the people in the worse situations to do so are the ones to have the most children.

You'd have to make sure that the bureaucracy of such a program would not be corrupt, this isn't a proposition towards eugenics where "less desirable" people would be prevented from mating.

But it be a system where people would be educated in parenting before the conceived, they'd have to display emotional stability, have basic knowledge about what to do in common parenting situations.

This could effectively reduce the instances of all forms of child abuse, and the cost of implementing such a program would be less then the staggering cost of later rehabilitation , and incarceration.

The population crisis could be slowed down if one of the agreements was that you can only have as many children as you can afford to raise.

We licence almost everything that has big implications, but what has bigger implications then bringing a human life into this world?

Anyways I have more points and counterpoints, and let it be know that most of this is heavily inspired by two text that are online that I read a while ago, interspersed with some of my own ideas.

Been over a year since I did the speech on this so I'll find the links later.

 

[Danalys]

one word unenforcable.

 

[Immortalfire]

Hello Communism, how you doing?

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

I agree, Virtually anyone can make a baby, yet it takes so much more to earn the name mother or father. Too many people rush into having children without thinking of the real factors involved in bringing up a well rounded individual.

It's a sad state of affairs when a teenager will get pregnant just to get her own council property and state benefits.

 

[Apollo]

"Shes having a baby! and she doesnt have a license! stop her! push it back in!"

 

[Super Kal]

... a parent license?...

 

[xisaacx]

but what to you makes a good parent? What about those parents who give their kids everything they want in the world, and the kid still grows up to be a serial killer, rapist, stripper or w/e? It is possible to be a good parent and just have a ****ed up kid.

 

[tzarinna]

So you heard about the 4 kids found dead for god knows how long? Abuse was reported and NOTHING was done!

 

[kedrell]

I say halt procreation altogether. After all, what do we care what happens after we're all dead.

 

[Zen]

Hello Communism, how you doing?

Communists don't regulate reproduction,

you're thinking fascism

but what to you makes a good parent? What about those parents who give their kids everything they want in the world, and the kid still grows up to be a serial killer, rapist, stripper or w/e? It is possible to be a good parent and just have a ****ed up kid.

giving them everything in the world is a bad approach. 99% is parenting, 1% have the evil in'um.




Bubonic, you must only be reffering to america...

and the answer is easy, cut down on certain types of welfare, and people and in a couple generations people will be forced to wake up and make hard decisions... the more you pay for babies, the more they will be made.

i don't think it will change because the U.S. needs military recruits from somewhere when a 'real' war hits

 

[chaseter]

You mispelled 'license'.

As for limiting the number of child births, it should be enforced. Too many dumb and poor people have a lot of kids and we are already straining the Earth's resources...3 total.

 

[The Senator]

That's idiotic.

Just because a few nutjobs do despicable things, that doesn't mean every potentially responsible parent should have to suffer the consequences of someone else's actions.

Not to mention that it interferes with the whole "free will," pursuit of happiness, etc. that our country was founded on...

 

[tzarinna]

Nothing will stop people from ****ing, not even AIDS.

 

[Mr. Credible]

i made this same thread a year or so ago.


i agree it's pretty unenforceable, unless you want to start giving mandatory abortions to girls who get knocked up (which i hope will never happen), but i think some kind of law is necessary. you should have to at least take a parenting course or something. having a kid is one of the most important things one can do with his or her life, and a life literally hangs in the balance.

 

[Zen]

You mispelled 'license'.

As for limiting the number of child births, it should be enforced. Too many dumb and poor people have a lot of kids and we are already straining the Earth's resources...3 total.

how do you regulate whos smart enough to have children and whos dumb enough to be denied???

wheres that line?

should there really be one?

freedom?

even in china they don't say no... they aply economic pressure, which having children should naturally do anyway

 

[chaseter]

i made this same thread a year or so ago.


i agree it's pretty unenforceable, unless you want to start giving mandatory abortions to girls who get knocked up (which i hope will never happen), but i think it's necessary. you should have to at least take a parenting course or something. having a kid is one of the most important things one can do with his or her life, and a life literally hangs in the balance.

But is having 10 and visiting the welfare office, not having a job, etc...good for those kids?

 

[chaseter]

how do you regulate whos smart enough to have children and whos dumb enough to be denied???

wheres that line?

should there really be one?

freedom?

even in china they don't say no... they aply economic pressure, which having children should naturally do anyway

There shouldn't be a line, it should be universal. You can't kill kids so maybe fines, etc...We don't live in the age where more kids meant cheap labor anymore. I feel no pity for parents that live in poverty and have 9 kids and wonder why they are so poor. It's horrible for those kids to get a backstart in the game of education and life.

 

[Bubonic]

Hello Communism, how you doing?

Is it that drastic?
I do realize that there would have to be a close eye kept on officials so they aren't using this to further their own agendas.

Parenting has big consequences, especially when it is bad. You need a licence to drive a car, why not to create a life?

one word unenforcable.

I do realize this, people are stuck on the idea that it is there right to create children, even if they aren't willing to care for them.

"Shes having a baby! and she doesnt have a license! stop her! push it back in!"

If someone who didn't have a licence had a baby, steps could be taken to educate them on par with the set standards. If they were inept, perhaps adoption into a pre-screened family, or one of their relatives that would be on par.

but what to you makes a good parent? What about those parents who give their kids everything they want in the world, and the kid still grows up to be a serial killer, rapist, stripper or w/e? It is possible to be a good parent and just have a ****ed up kid.

Serial killers are a statistical anomaly, and rarely come from ideal families. But most criminals do come from broken homes. Abusers are raised by abusers, etcetera.

 

[kedrell]

Make completing a parenting course a requirement for getting all those nice tax benefits that married people enjoy so much. That would be a start at least, and no one's forcing anything on people, just giving an incentive.

 

[DBella]

So... how do you plan to enforce this law? And what do you do with pregnant women? Throw them in jail? Abort their pregnancy by force? Monetary fine?

 

[chaseter]

An incentive to those that follow the rule, fines by those that do not.

 

[Mr. Credible]

So... how do you plan to enforce this law? And what do you do with pregnant women? Throw them in jail? Abort their pregnancy by force? Monetary fine?

i'm thinking a fine for every kid after 3?

i don't know. it is a pickle.

 

[chaseter]

i'm thinking a fine for every kid after 3?

i don't know. it is a pickle.

5-10 grand or community service time ...probation, etc...

 

[tzarinna]

Don't we have enough outlaws?

 

[The Senator]

China has this thing called the one-child policy. Every family that has more than one child is forced to give it up for adoption, and women currently pregnant with their second child are forced to have an abortion. Women who have more than one child also face imprisonment.

I don't see how this license program would be any different. Proponents of this obviously don't support democracy.