Phase 2

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  1. Gr0oT

    Gr0oT I AM GROOT

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    If Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Defenders = Phase 1 of the MCU Street Level what would you like to see for Phase 2?
    I'd like a continuation of Daredevil and 3 new series; Heroes for Hire, Moon Knight and Punisher.
    Perhaps have it culminate in a 4 parter involving Daredevil and Punisher.
     
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  2. Lord

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    Heroes for Hire, Punisher or Tomb of Dracula/ Blade. One of these should get the focus of the next Phase of Netflix shows.
     
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  3. Gr0oT

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    I completely forgot about Blade, so long as it learned from the shortcomings of the other Blade series I'm down...
    But since you bring up some of the darker characters of Marvel, just imagine an entire Phase with something similar to Midnight Sons as the crossover event!
     
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  4. Lord

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    Yeah, i'dd like to see a Phase that introduces the supernatural, i feel like Blade should be more episodic than the previous series, or, instead of making one for him, he could first guest star in a Tomb of Dracula show.

    My guess is that there could be a wave of supernatural Marvel series consisting of Tomb of Dracula, Werewolf by Night, Nightstalkers, and then possibly Midnight Sons, Ghost Rider and Frakenstein.
     
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    Since "Phase" seems to be deeply associated with the movies, I'll use the term "Wave" in its stead. :)

    Wave 2
    Daredevil (season 2)
    Heroes For Hire (featuring Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones)
    Moon Knight
    Punisher
    Defenders 2

    I would steer clear of the slightly more overtly supernatural elements on Netflix. I'd rather they turn the Dr. Strange sequel (which would probably arrive in Phase 4) into a supernatural team-up of sorts where Dr. Strange recruits the likes of Blade and Ghost Rider to take on Dormammu. Might I interest you in a title like Dr. Strange: Midnight's Sons, anyone? :)
     
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  6. Gr0oT

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    Don't forget Manphibian lol.
    I'm concerned about Ghost Rider working on a tight budget but I would like the supernatural at least flirted with in a series.

    I can agree that some of the more grandiose supernatural stuff needs to be reserved for the screen. The exciting thing about this is the possibility for the shows and the movies to eventually flow into each other.

    That's where the importance of quality is most significant. Like right now you couldn't take the current AoS team and fit them in a movie, nor lame ass t.v. Deathlok for that matter... But if you do solid representations of some of the supernatural players in Netflix I could see them naturally fitting into a movie cameo.

    And Wave is a nice fit. But heck the threads made and it's about 5 years premature lol.
     
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    Come 2018, when this thread is still active, and the term "Wave" is widely adopted, I'll be the guy constantly petitioning a mod to change the title. :)

    EDIT: Hmm, that got me thinking. I know Netflix isn't exactly TV, but content delivery mechanism aside, these shows would functionally work like TV shows. And TV shows' second seasons typically come a year after season 1. So, if Daredevil is picked up for a second season, I'm wondering about how the schedule would work. Considering the Defenders min-series would be a quasi-second season for the four shows, I'm thinking we might get possibly a slightly longer break (maybe 1.5 years) between Daredevil's season 1 and 2.
     
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    All of that sounds great. I especially like the term, "Wave".

    For the suprnatural team-up, just Midnight Sons or The Midnight Sons will do.
     
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  9. Lord

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    Well, it's nice that it's premature, when i made the Phase II thread, that term wasn't used for the films yet, hopefully, they will take the "Wave" title too.

    I agree wth some things being better for the big screen, but i think that Tomb of Drácula would be perfect as a tv show.
     
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    I think The Defenders will be part of Phase III for the MCU. Daredevil doesn't start until after Avengers 2, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some cross references between characters, like Dr. Strange and The Hulk showing up.
     
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  11. Gr0oT

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    Already my use of the term Phase is causing confusion!
     
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    I don't think there will be supernatural characters showing up prior to the Dr Strange movie, outside of mystic kung fu anyway. Also, even if they produce some Netflix shows starring supernatural characters and stories, doesn't mean they will be in any way tied to the Defenders.
     
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    I can see Blade getting his own show though
     
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    Moon Knight, Punisher, Cloak and Dagger.
     
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    Don't expect Heroes For Hire I think there's a REASON they made the Defenders because it's too soon for New Avengers.... Now to replace Heroes For Hire how about New Warriors.
     
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    Daredevil, Punisher, Heroes for Hire, The Runaways, Cloak & Dagger
     
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  17. KangConquers

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    The thing is The New Avengers/ Heroes For Hire are simply being renamed The Defenders. So a Heroes For Hire show would be redundant. It would have the same characters from The Defenders (Cage, Iron Fist, Jones) simply charging a fee for their superheroics. That doesn't warrant a separate title.
     
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  18. Spider-Fan

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    I'd say Marvel Knights for Phase 2. Daredevil, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Blade, etc.
     
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    Heroes for Hire (Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Jessica Jones).
    Daredevil season 2.
    The Punisher.
    Blade.
    Elektra.
    Misty Knight and Colleen Wing

    Ghost Rider would be too expensive to do on a TV show budget as would most of his rogues (they couldn't even do him right on a movie budget).
     
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    TV can get away with cheaper looking effects. Also, GR2's budget was cut in half mid production, but even on a low budget, he looked visually good. It was the plot/script that mostly failed in GR's movies. I think it'd be easier to do scripts for him on TV. You'd only need him to be the Rider at the very end of episodes. The rest of the time could be set-up and such.
     
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  21. Gr0oT

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    True, but the narrative would have to be amazing to make up for the fact that you'd probably see 10 minutes of Ghost Rider within 780 minutes of his own series.
    First movies budget was 110 million, the 2nd movie was 57 million. How much of that $170 million go to the special effects?
    How many minutes was Ghost Rider actually onscreen?

    Plus I'm sick of out of shape old men being Mephisto.

    Although I doubt he'll get his own movie anytime in the next 10 years I can see him being featured in someone else's movie or his rogue gallery being used.
     
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    I really like this idea.
     
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    GR2's budget was cut in half mid-production. So, take that 57 mil, and make it closer to 30 mil. I'd see Bixby's TIH series as a good series to watch for how a Ghost Rider series could be done. Only, replace science with mysticism.
     
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    Except that the actual Hulk parts of that show were underwhelming to say the least. The stuff with Banner was great for the most part, but when you have a show with "Hulk" in the title, you kind of don't want the Hulk to be disappointing. They couldn't use ANY of his main comic book rogues because of budget and the Hulk's strength was pathetically reduced. GR would be the same way. If you have "Ghost Rider" in the title of your show, then people are going to want to see the Ghost Rider in ALL his glory.
     
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  25. Spider-Fan

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    I can't hate on TIH show at all. That had a low budget and it was the 70s before the advances we have now. I honestly don't think it'd be an issue to do that in a show. I think we could get the Rider enough for it to work on an episodic basis, and include his rogues. Granted, the effects wouldn't be as polished, but the GR property is tainted on film. No one is going to try it on film for a long time now, and honestly, both plots of the movies were unbearably cliche' and we've seen many similar films like them. I think a show format would allow it to have more originality.
     
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