Pick every villain you want for a rebooted Batman trilogy

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  1. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    Movie One: Mr. Freeze, The Riddler
    Movie Two: Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, Harley Quin
    Movie Three: Clayface, The Penguin, Black Mask

    You can also briefly explain the plot or themes for each movie too.
     
  2. Rodrigo90 Wink wink ;)

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    Black Mask and Penguin would work, Ivy and Harley too. I'm not sure about the rest.

    I believe Hugo Strange and Clayface would have a lot in common because they both have identity issues, they both try to be different people. Clayface doesn't know who he is anymore, while Strange knows he wants to become Batman. Without being too similar, they would work well together.

    Freeze works best alone imo, and so does Riddler.
     
  3. DeGenerate10 Br Ba

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    1st: Black Mask
    2nd: Hugo Strange
    3rd: Joker and Harley
     
  4. the last son Registered

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    Movie 1. Black Mask and Two-Face

    Movie 2. The Riddler and Scarecrow

    Movie 3. Joker Harley Quinn

    Wow , it's so many ways you can go.
     
  5. shauner111 Registered

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    1- Riddler
    2- Black Mask and Penguin
    3- Mr Freeze (with maybe Harley Quinn leading into a possible 4th movie with both Harley & Joker)
     
  6. kewlmatto Registered

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    There's so many good possibilities - it's more about the quality of the writing than anything else.

    At the moment my preferences would probably be...

    1. Penguin and Riddler
    2. Black Mask and Poison Ivy
    3. Mr Freeze and Hugo Strange
     
  7. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    No love for Clayface or other more extreme villains?
     
  8. DarkSovereignty Ooga Chakka

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    what's the point of having harley quinn in a movie without joker.
     
  9. kewlmatto Registered

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    I love the extreme villains, but not for a mainstream live-action film. Even with a bit of fantasy, I still want Batman a little grounded in reality. Not to the extent of Nolan's movies though. I guess like Burton's in terms of realism (though probably a little more grounded than that even), but not necessarily the same style.

    I really wish an animated trilogy of movies ran concurrently with the next live-action trilogy. Use the more superhuman villains in a really well animated CG film. Clayface would be perfect for that. Mad Hatter would work better there too probably.

    Every second year we get a big animated Batman release. Every third year we get the live action film. That would be perfect.
     
  10. shauner111 Registered

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    Who would you guys classify as extreme villains anyway? Clayface, Man-Bat, the more traditional Killer Croc? Even those characters will probably be grounded in some way once they make it to live-action. You can probably ground all of them if you try hard enough.

    I'm not the biggest fan of those type of villains though. But i can't say i would prefer Deadshot over them either.
     
  11. kewlmatto Registered

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    They could all be grounded in reality, definitely. I'm all for it. But there comes a point where they are changed so much that they stop reflecting the original character - so I think it needs to be a balance.

    I guess you need to ask whether what makes the character special in the first place is completely removed or not. I've seen versions of Killer Croc that do this - he's basically just a thug with weird skin. On the other hand, I'm not wanting to see the Lizard either.

    That's why animation would be great for those villains. You can get away with more.

    I think there are better suited villains for live-action before the need to go into those ones though. I guess it's due to their physical characteristics more than anything. With Poison Ivy and Mr Freeze, you can easily ground them a little more by restricting how they can manipulate plants/ice. With Killer Croc and Man-Bat, if you do the same kinds of restrictions, you lose the character more drastically when you do this.
     
  12. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    Well to be honest I want to see Harley Quinn without revisiting the Joker so early.

    And I think she works in a movie without having an annoyed and uninterested Joker to play off of. In fact I think she makes a better match with Poison Ivy who is a better ”straight man” to contrast with Harley's childish playfulness.

    Plus the audience knows enough about the Joker to appreciate Harley's obssesive groupie love toward him without him showing up.
     
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    It would seem odd if the first time we ever saw Harley Quinn on film it was without Joker, but I agree that Joker needs a rest too. It's a weird position.

    Then again, some of the best Harley Quinn stories are really when she is on her own - not with Ivy or Joker. She can be a great character. If maybe they can reference Joker without featuring him too much this could work. Maybe it could be during one of their 'breaks'.
     
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    My top three villians for the next batman trilogy would be Ridler first because despite the old shumacher film it was a bad characterzation of him in that film. We need to see him like he was in batman animation series. A narcissistic individual who assumed he was better than others and was very intelligent. The second villian would be two face because even though we had a few moments in the dark knight where harvey was his alter ego. it only lasted for a while with tragedy at the end. Third act would be a new first time on film hugo strange which can be introduced in the first film as being a doctor at arkam assylum and by the end of the first two he becomes the strange doctor that needs his own strait jacket.
     
  15. shauner111 Registered

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    I think the way to bring Harley in before Joker (and it can be used to hype up Jokers first appearance) would be to act as if he is established and had at least 1 battle with Batman already. He can be a near legend in Gotham who pops up once in a while, and Harley is with him already and we see her on screen first. Batman is aware of Joker and many other villains but he has no idea who she is. She reveals her latest connection to the Joker.

    As for the "extreme villains". i prefer the Croc who is just a thug with a weird skin condition over the Lizard rip-off. But Man-Bat should not be turned into a realistic villain. Either go all fantasy or don't have him. So ya i get it.

    With Freeze i would like for some of him to be grounded but it still needs to be fantasy based. A nice balance.
     
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    1st - Killer Croc reason being so we see an unrealistic character, I want the new series to not be grounded in reality, also he's a character that hasnt been seen on screen. I would go a horror route with it by having Batman searching through the sewers for him and finding half eaten bodies.

    2nd - Mr. Freeze. His character was raped in Batman and Robin and he deserves redemption like Bane.

    3rd - The Riddler. An ultra serious take on him this time.

    Overall I want the movies to be more personal between Batman and the villains and less "Villain tries to destroy Gotham" Don't get me wrong I like the Nolan movies but the villain trying to destroy the city has become boring to me. I'de rather the villains go after Bruce Wayne/Batman personally and worry about destroying him.
     
  17. shauner111 Registered

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    Jesus, im tired. I was reading along and was horrified that you wanted Victor Fries to be raped in his next movie. Maybe i should have kept reading at a faster rate ahah.

    Yes, yes in Batman & Robin! Yeah even Poison Ivy didn't deserve that treatment. Freeze is the one character from the past that got short-changed the most. In the last 7 movies it's gotta be him. I find it really sad that most people only see the character as a joke, and relate it to Arnold only. That includes Christopher Nolan. It really sucks because he has the most potential.

    Penguin is a childhood favourite of mine and i demand an accurate and serious and grounded take on the character! I dont care if it's in a more fantastical Gotham or realistic. I want a grounded Penguin soon.
     
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    I dont know man...Freeze at least had some (horrible) dialogue unlike BAAAAANE!
     
  19. EliteF50 Registered

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    One villain per movie, please. Can't have Freeze and Riddler. They're both A-listers, they need their own movies.
     
  20. Mr.? Registered

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    Completely agreed. I don't like the multiple villain formula.
     
  21. shauner111 Registered

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    As previously stated, i think Batman Returns, and Nolans movies handled the multiple villain formula well. Yes i know Scarecrow got brought down because of Ra's but at least they didnt team up together to tag-team Batman. it worked for me.

    Maybe Returns got a bit weird with the Penguin/Catwoman scene but the rest was OK.

    I love the multiple villains, but i dont want to see team-ups. Riddler needs to work alone. Mr Freeze needs to work alone and be the main threat without question. Penguin can have a rival but no team-up. A character like Hugo Strange needs to have a big role but he can't be the only villain.
     
  22. MessiahDecoy123 Psychological Anarchist

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    I don't see the problem with multiple villains.

    It's kind of a wasted opportunity to spend 2 hours with Batman chasing a single, non-Joker bad guy when Batman has over a dozen classic villains, most of whom haven't been used effectively in a movie yet.

    I think Nolan proved using a major villain with a couple of minor villains scattered across Gotham is a more productive approach to Batman movies.

    and can you imagine the Nolan Batman trilogy without Scarecrow, Two Face or Catwoman adding to the story? We would never see Nolan's take on those characters.

    Do the villains have to plot and scheme together? No.

    But at least show that Batman has his hands full fighting super villains in Gotham making his perseverance all the more admirable.
     
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    1st - Red Hood or Black Mask
    2nd - Hugo Strange and Catwoman
    3rd - The Joker and Harley Quinn
     
  24. Airwings Waves of air

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    I want to see how Aronofsky will present classic characters like Penguin, Riddler and Mr Freeze.
     
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    Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Riddler, Penguin, Hugo Strange, Poison Ivy, permawhite and permasmile Joker, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow done right in a minor role, Killer Croc in a minor role, Mad Hatter and Ventriloquist & Scarface cameos

    Hush and Professor Pyg could be cool
     

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