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[IDrawDeadPeople]

Here, so The Shadow can voice his OPINION without the Frank Miller 'Thought Police' having to rush in and defend Miller from peoples' points of view in the NO DISCUSSION thread...

Notice how you only see the main character of the movie about 1/3 of the time.

Shadow: The main character of the film is the WOMEN, so we DO see the main character quite often, as Miller's 'Thought Police' so dramatically pointed out.


That being said, cinematically it's 'visually stunning' (I think that's the term that's been used repeatedly, since no one seems to have anything else to say about it).

 

[Compi716]

The women should not be the main characters. That's like Lois Lane being the main character in a movie titles 'Superman.'

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

I agree, 100%.

Frank Miller and his stepford kids would tell you that this is a completely faithful adaptation of Will Eisner's The Spirit, with Denny Colt as the main character...

However, in the real world, where the rest of us are unfortunately forced to live...

We get five posters featuring ****ty women for every 2 1/8 posters featuring the Spirit. ( I used 1/8 because the MY CITY SCREAMS poster did leave a generous inch for Denny to make a cameo in an ad for his own film...)

The main trailer stars Lorelei... and Lorelei... and also Lorelei.

And, then, it gives us some footage of lesser characters such as The Octopus and The Spirit.

I'm going to see this movie for the "guest stars".

 

[theMan-Bat]

The series lead character usually took a back seat to others in Eisner's Spirit comic strips. The stories would focus not necessarily on The Spirit, but on other characters. The Spirit, in the end, became, as much as anything, about the human spirit.
" As far as I was concerned, The Spirit was, in effect, a walk-on. He was nothing more than a hat-rack on which I could hang the story. A peg, as we used to call it; he was a peg. Many of the Spirit stories that I wrote could have been told without him just as well." - Will Eisner.
http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/features/interviews/will-eisner/index.cfm

 

[rogue trooper]

The series lead character usually took a back seat to others in Eisner's Spirit comic strips. The stories would focus not necessarily on The Spirit, but on other characters. The Spirit, in the end, became, as much as anything, about the human spirit.
" As far as I was concerned, The Spirit was, in effect, a walk-on. He was nothing more than a hat-rack on which I could hang the story. A peg, as we used to call it; he was a peg. Many of the Spirit stories that I wrote could have been told without him just as well." - Will Eisner.
http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/features/interviews/will-eisner/index.cfm

Bravo!!

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

Really?

And, since audiences have SO MANY films to choose from in this Spirit film series... it's just brilliant to start with one of those 'other' stories.

Yeah, that's so obviously what Miller was going for...

And, here, all the while, you've been preaching that this film was based on the Sand Saref storyline... I don't remember Lorelei being the star of that one...

I know you probably don't have access to most of those old stories, since your Spirit 'collection' seems to be whatever you can Google up while attempting to sound knowledgable, so no one can fault you. You're a Miller fan, who is now faced with the unenviable task of going back and investigating this Spirit character, so it's understandable that decades worth of material is a bit much for you to go and discover in a brief couple of months. Good effort, though.

"Bravo", indeed.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Really?

And, since audiences have SO MANY films to choose from in this Spirit film series... it's just brilliant to start with one of those 'other' stories.

Yeah, that's so obviously what Miller was going for...

And, here, all the while, you've been preaching that this film was based on the Sand Saref storyline... I don't remember Lorelei being the star of that one...

And Lorelei is not the star of this film or the trailer. Miller said, "The story of the movie is built outward from his original Sand Saref story. I wanted it to be a love story. And I knew it had to involve Octopus and other factors."
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20194343_2,00.html

I know you probably don't have access to most of those old stories, since your Spirit 'collection' seems to be whatever you can Google up while attempting to sound knowledgable, so no one can fault you.

I'm not attempting to sound like anything. There is no sound in text. I couldn't buy the DC Archives, because they're $50 apiece. I do have Jules Feiffer's Great Comic Book Heroes book with the Spirit in Damascus story (which is the one where he wore the white suit and he travels to the East looking for Doctor Fred Gregg because in Central City a thousand people are dieing of the very disease he warned of and only he has the anti-dote), the Warren and Kitchen Sink Press Spirit magazines and The Spirit: the Origin Years comics by Kitchen Sink.

You're a Miller fan, who is now faced with the unenviable task of going back and investigating this Spirit character, so it's understandable that decades worth of material is a bit much for you to go and discover in a brief couple of months. Good effort, though.

"Bravo", indeed.

Unlike you, I like both Eisner and Miller, however, I'm not an Eisner purist like you appear to be. You've made it clear that you don't like Miller. You have been bashing Frank Miller all-over this board and labeling his fans "Hitler Youth" and "Eisner haters" and "Thought Police" and "stepford kids" and Miller worshipers. Bad form. You could state your opinions about what you've seen from this movie without the silly and disrespectful name calling directed at those of us that like Miller's work and like what we are seeing from the film. You even admited once that this could turn out to be one of your favorite films.

If this film turns out to not have excessive nudity and cursing (so that it's in the vein of Eisner's work) and somehow doesn't really divulge the whole 'superpowers' thing (but rather just assumes he has superpowers), this could turn into one of my favorite movies of all time.

Bravo!!

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

And, I haven't changed my mind about that. It could be something I end up loving... if certain things that seem to be emphasized in the advertising campaign wind up being an afterthought in the actual release.

For the record, I do like a good portion of Miller's work... or at least did until I talked to some of you people ... now, I'm terrified that he has mind control powers and will use All Star Batman and Robin to subliminally tell me to kill my wife in her sleep, and I'll have no choice but to do it.

Daredevil, Ronin, and most of 300 were all great. I used to love the Wolverine mini series until I realized that the only reason the character fought ninjas was because Miller was in a ninja mood, and not because he was thinking about what was best for the characters he was writing... the same problem most objective people have with his take on The Spirit.

I do absolutely believe he tries to live up to his own hype of being "extreme", and therefore, some of his own ideas suffer from having to be molded into how to shock the audience. In regards to this film, my one concern, that most people share... but you cannot seem to understand my words... is in a film about EISNER'S work... I would like to hear more of Eisner's voice than Miller's voice.

Now, I didn't say I didn't want Miller to have a voice... I just want Eisner to sound slightly louder.

Secondly, and here's a disclaimer: I do not mean this as an insult, so check your ego before reading: I became abrasive on here when I realized that most of the people I signed up to DISCUSS this film with (as opposed to simply getting slammed with endless cut-and-pastes of other sources' quotes and materials) had been basically bored out of this forum by lack of conversation... and I'm left with two people who cannot seem to actually discuss the characters or the film but rather just high five each other for their use of cuts-and-pastes of other peoples' opinions.

I swear I don't mean this as an insult, and you know what I said is true, even if you are not in the mood to admit it.

Oh, and I used 'hear' and 'voice' so you can once again avoid my point by playing semantics... "I'm not attempting to sound like anything. There is no sound in text." Um... words SAY things.

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[Keep in mind this entire post was done in a comedic vein and was not intended for slamming purposes... I think you're a good kid... so, I'm trying to be funny/nice.]

 

[theMan-Bat]

And, I haven't changed my mind about that. It could be something I end up loving... if certain things that seem to be emphasized in the advertising campaign wind up being an afterthought in the actual release.

For the record, I do like a good portion of Miller's work... or at least did until I talked to some of you people ... now, I'm terrified that he has mind control powers and will use All Star Batman and Robin to subliminally tell me to kill my wife in her sleep, and I'll have no choice but to do it.

Daredevil, Ronin, and most of 300 were all great. I used to love the Wolverine mini series until I realized that the only reason the character fought ninjas was because Miller was in a ninja mood, and not because he was thinking about what was best for the characters he was writing... the same problem most objective people have with his take on The Spirit.

I do absolutely believe he tries to live up to his own hype of being "extreme", and therefore, some of his own ideas suffer from having to be molded into how to shock the audience.

I don't believe he tries to shock us or offend us with women in tight clothing, nudity, violence and language. I see all of that every day and I hear cursing every day, I'm not shocked, I find it refreshing that he doesn't sugar coat his work to pander to the Disney audience. The sensitive "politically correct" people might be shocked and offended and outraged, but I don't believe that's Miller intent. Miller's work is just not catered to them. He's tries to give us an entertaining ride and give us a relatable uncensored contemporary world and not sugar coat anything. I'm not shocked by Miller's Dark Knight Returns, Sin City or All-Star Batman & Robin. Obviously Miller's work is not catered to everyones taste, nether is Scorsese's Taxi Driver, and so on and so forth. However, I think Miller has toned down his usual R rated material a bit for the Spirit characters. I think The Spirit will be PG-13.

In regards to this film, my one concern, that most people share... but you cannot seem to understand my words... is in a film about EISNER'S work... I would like to hear more of Eisner's voice than Miller's voice.

Now, I didn't say I didn't want Miller to have a voice... I just want Eisner to sound slightly louder.

That's understandable.

Secondly, and here's a disclaimer: I do not mean this as an insult, so check your ego before reading: I became abrasive on here when I realized that most of the people I signed up to DISCUSS this film with (as opposed to simply getting slammed with endless cut-and-pastes of other sources' quotes and materials) had been basically bored out of this forum by lack of conversation... and I'm left with two people who cannot seem to actually discuss the characters or the film but rather just high five each other for their use of cuts-and-pastes of other peoples' opinions.

I swear I don't mean this as an insult, and you know what I said is true, even if you are not in the mood to admit it.

I'm not insulted because it's true that we do quote Eisner and Miller alot. We quote Eisner and Miller to get the facts straight, rogue trooper and I are not intending to slam you, just to share the information.

Oh, and I used 'hear' and 'voice' so you can once again avoid my point by playing semantics... "I'm not attempting to sound like anything. There is no sound in text." Um... words SAY things.

To quote Foghorn Leghorn, "It was, I say, it was a JOKE, son."

[Keep in mind this entire post was done in a comedic vein and was not intended for slamming purposes... I think you're a good kid... so, I'm trying to be funny/nice.]

Bravo!!

 

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Having just finished reading the spirit archives 1 I feel I have a thumbnail of authority (lol). I am undoubtedly going to see the film, but if it is mainly about the ****es who come from the brothel of hollywood i might just cry tears.

:-}

 

[The Shadow]

The women should not be the main characters. That's like Lois Lane being the main character in a movie titles 'Superman.'

Well, put. I'll probably still go watch the movie but I'd look forward to it more if it was actually The Spirit.

 

[The Shadow]

Oh, by the way thanks for the thread. Mighty Kindly of ya!