Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales - Part 3

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[LucDisfilm19]

Pirates 5 has now made $600M WW: http://deadline.com/2017/06/the-mum...tional-box-office-weekend-results-1202111212/

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Cool, I would say it has a few more weeks of earnings as well, hopefully it makes enough for a 6th and Depp can get his life together in the meantime.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think Depp probably fell off the wagon when he saw The Mummy.

 

[Vartha]

Made Jack sparrow's compass dial. Might make it into a clock face

 

[lime]

My brother is visiting me for few days, and we went to see the movie again (my second time, his first). He liked it a lot, and I LOVED IT the second time around even more!

It was so much more ejoyable on second viewing.

 

[Greens]

I thought the film was a hollow experience.

 

[Vartha]

Ordered Jack's hat off Amazon. I have plans to use it for the Renaissance Faires, with a twist on the costume based on VIKING descendants lol

 

[StormC]

I thought the film was a hollow experience.

Yep. I actually enjoyed 4, but this movie might as well have been programmed by a computer and put on autopilot.

 

[LucDisfilm19]

Pirates 5 now at $650M WW: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=potc5.htm . I'd say it could hit $700M WW in the middle or at the end of the final 5-day week of June, given that it opens in Kuwait on Thursday. And, since it's final destination will be Japan on July 1, it could potentially make somewhere between $800M & $900M WW. In other words, another hit for Disney.

Also, it's $4.2M away from passing the first Pirates $654.3M WW cume.

 

[LucDisfilm19]

Pirates 5 now at $650M WW: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=potc5.htm . I'd say it could hit $700M WW in the middle or at the end of the final 5-day week of June, given that it opens in Kuwait on Thursday. And, since it's final destination will be Japan on July 1, it could potentially make somewhere between $800M & $900M WW. In other words, another hit for Disney.

Also, it's $4.2M away from passing the first Pirates $654.3M WW cume.

 

[lime]

Yes, not as great money as the previous 3, but anything above 700 (which is a 100% sure) is great BO number.

Looking good for another one.

 

[LucDisfilm19]

Yes, not as great money as the previous 3, but anything above 700 (which is a 100% sure) is great BO number.

Looking good for another one.

I hope ur right.

 

[Octoberist]

Yes, not as great money as the previous 3, but anything above 700 (which is a 100% sure) is great BO number.

Looking good for another one.

Look at the domestic numbers again. It's not final, but it's pretty bad. Actually, in general, the BO hasn't been great besides the usual tentpoles and now, Wonder Woman. Even Cars 3 has done worse than the last two films. That means something.

Again..Diminish numbers means they'll make even LESS money for part 6. Also, Disney doesn't really need the franchise. Maybe they did when they first green light the film.

Maybe they'll think about another one, but they'll have to lower the budget dramatically. But then that's what they did with part 4. So I don't know.

And if you think about it, nothing has gone viral from 'Dead Men Tell No Tales'. There was just mild buzz, besides from the fans of the series but ultimately it sorta came and went.

So I've been wrong before. Disney has big pockets after all but I can't see a part 6.

 

[StormC]

Yeah, 5 started development before the Avengers secured Marvel as a dominant force in entertainment and Disney bought SW. There's just no incentive really to keep going.

 

[LucDisfilm19]

Well, I, for one, think Pirates 6 should happen and I have hope that it will. What Disney should do, though, is release it on a much safer release date to avoid diminishing returns.

 

[Drizzle]

Well, I, for one, think Pirates 6 should happen and I have hope that it will. What Disney should do, though, is release it on a much safer release date to avoid diminishing returns.

They were originally going to release this one in July, I think. But then Star Wars: The Last Jedi got pushed back and this took its place. I don't know how much better it would have fared.

Dead Men Tell No Tales really would be a fine way to wrap up the series. The only real loose end is that post credits scene.

 

[lime]

Look at the domestic numbers again. It's not final, but it's pretty bad. Actually, in general, the BO hasn't been great besides the usual tentpoles and now, Wonder Woman. Even Cars 3 has done worse than the last two films. That means something.

Again..Diminish numbers means they'll make even LESS money for part 6. Also, Disney doesn't really need the franchise. Maybe they did when they first green light the film.

Maybe they'll think about another one, but they'll have to lower the budget dramatically. But then that's what they did with part 4. So I don't know.

And if you think about it, nothing has gone viral from 'Dead Men Tell No Tales'. There was just mild buzz, besides from the fans of the series but ultimately it sorta came and went.

So I've been wrong before. Disney has big pockets after all but I can't see a part 6.

So... if the a movie makes 300 domestic and 100 internationally is better than 150 domestic and 700 internationally?

I refuse to believe that 700+ world wide box office is not good enough.

 

[StormC]

So... if the a movie makes 300 domestic and 100 internationally is better than 150 domestic and 700 internationally?

I refuse to believe that 700+ world wide box office is not good enough.

This is a strawman. Nobody said that, but it's in a blockbuster franchise's best interest to maintain a healthy domestic fanbase. Movie studios get less money back from international markets (generally around 40% while they get 50% from domestic markets).

Each Pirates movie has made less and less domestic money since 2, and the international market is shrinking at a slower rate but nonetheless this will close out at 200-300M less than 4. 6 would be even less than that. For movies that are lucky to cost under 300M (5 cost 230M while estimates put 4 at around ~400M), that's a terrible return rate. The sustainability just isn't there anymore.

Paramount is actually in a similar situation with Transformers, as The Last Knight might be a bit do-or-die; while it's sure to make gangbusters overseas, it's in all likelihood gonna fall far short of 200M domestically. Future movies will just keep doing worse. But at least they've kept their budgets under control.

It makes zero sense for Disney to pursue this franchise when they have proven successes in Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, live-action remakes, and their own animation. They have enough revenue streams to not have to bother with a sinking ship and a lead actor who brings bad press and unprofessional behavior to the set.

 

[lime]

This is a strawman. Nobody said that, but it's in a blockbuster franchise's best interest to maintain a healthy domestic fanbase. Movie studios get less money back from international markets (generally around 40% while they get 50% from domestic markets).

Each Pirates movie has made less and less domestic money since 2, and the international market is shrinking at a slower rate but nonetheless this will close out at 200-300M less than 4. 6 would be even less than that. For movies that are lucky to cost under 300M (5 cost 230M while estimates put 4 at around ~400M), that's a terrible return rate. The sustainability just isn't there anymore.

Paramount is actually in a similar situation with Transformers, as The Last Knight might be a bit do-or-die; while it's sure to make gangbusters overseas, it's in all likelihood gonna fall far short of 200M domestically. Future movies will just keep doing worse. But at least they've kept their budgets under control.

It makes zero sense for Disney to pursue this franchise when they have proven successes in Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, live-action remakes, and their own animation. They have enough revenue streams to not have to bother with a sinking ship and a lead actor who brings bad press and unprofessional behavior to the set.

I can't be unbiased. I love Pirates more than any Marvel or Star Wars movie.

 

[LucDisfilm19]

They were originally going to release this one in July, I think. But then Star Wars: The Last Jedi got pushed back and this took its place. I don't know how much better it would have fared.

Dead Men Tell No Tales really would be a fine way to wrap up the series. The only real loose end is that post credits scene.

That's why I'd like the sequel to happen, to tie up that loose end.

 

[Filmfan93]

I can't be unbiased. I love Pirates more than any Marvel or Star Wars movie.

A bit off topic, but saw you are from Bulgaria, too. Good to see a fellow neighbor on these forums!

 

[LucDisfilm19]

This is a strawman. Nobody said that, but it's in a blockbuster franchise's best interest to maintain a healthy domestic fanbase. Movie studios get less money back from international markets (generally around 40% while they get 50% from domestic markets).

Each Pirates movie has made less and less domestic money since 2, and the international market is shrinking at a slower rate but nonetheless this will close out at 200-300M less than 4. 6 would be even less than that. For movies that are lucky to cost under 300M (5 cost 230M while estimates put 4 at around ~400M), that's a terrible return rate. The sustainability just isn't there anymore.

Paramount is actually in a similar situation with Transformers, as The Last Knight might be a bit do-or-die; while it's sure to make gangbusters overseas, it's in all likelihood gonna fall far short of 200M domestically. Future movies will just keep doing worse. But at least they've kept their budgets under control.

It makes zero sense for Disney to pursue this franchise when they have proven successes in Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, live-action remakes, and their own animation. They have enough revenue streams to not have to bother with a sinking ship and a lead actor who brings bad press and unprofessional behavior to the set.

If I may provide an argument for why Pirates would a better franchise to continue with Transformers, at least those movies are ambitious and have charm and some story to it, whereas as Transformers is just becoming boring and have nothing else to tell or nowhere else to go. Also, TF cost $30M more than POTC 5. So, if there was on ambitious franchise of films I'd like to see continue, it'd be Pirates. I hope the Transformers franchise ends with this one, because after 1-3, the franchise started sucking hard.

 

[Erzengel]

Pirates doesn't exist without Depp as Sparrow. TF series is going to move forward with a Bumblebee movie.

But the comparison with TF is apt because you have panned movies that continue to do well increasingly overseas.