Police Shoot More People

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Jonathan Ferrell, 24, crashed his car early Saturday morning, and approached a home, looking for help. The residents, unsure of who was outside, called the police. When the officers arrived, Ferell ran towards them, only to be shot several times. Ferell, who might have been badly shaken up by the accident, died on the scene.

The officer who shot Ferell, Randall Kerrick, was charged with voluntary manslaughter on Saturday, a felony charge that means the killing was done in self-defense.

"The evidence revealed that Mr. Ferrell did advance on Officer Kerrick and the investigation showed that the subsequent shooting of Mr. Ferrell was excessive," police said in a statement. "Our investigation has shown that Officer Kerrick did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon during this encounter. "

So we have that and this:

In a bizarre confrontation last night, NYPD officers shot two bystanders while trying to arrest a man who was blocking traffic just a block from Time Square.

An unidentified 35-year-old man "was blocking traffic and appeared to be attempting to be hit by cars when a police officer on foot patrol attempted to take him into custody in the intersection," according to police commissioner Ray Kelly. After he resisted arrest on West 42nd street and Eighth Avenue, the man allegedly pretended to point a gun at officers, who then fired on him.

A 54-year-old woman, who was using a walker, was hit in the leg and rushed the Bellevue Hospital. A 35-year-old woman was shot in the buttocks and taken to Roosevelt Hospital.

http://gawker.com/nypd-shoots-two-bystanders-while-firing-on-unarmed-man-1318596713

Video and pics at the link

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Is there any particular reason they felt the need to discharge their firearms on somebody who was DISRUPTING TRAFFIC?

 

[Quasimod0]

The first story sounds like the cop just freaked out cuz this guy was running at him.
The cops in the second one sound a little too trigger happy

 

[Teelie]

Both of these are reasons why the police really need to be better trained in not shooting people at the first sign of trouble. The man was trying to get help for a crashed vehicle, an accident, so one trigger happy ******* shoots him. The second one is just plain stupidity. And we're supposed to trust these people with our lives and increasingly with personal, private information they shouldn't even legally be posessing. Not to mention the increasing use of SWAT teams with heavy weaponry and hair-trigger fingers ready to shoot at even slight provocation.

Sadly this is what we're beginning to expect of the police these days: utter incompetence. I know most cops are better than this but the ones who screw it up for the decent ones really take it to the next level of ineptitude.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Is there any particular reason they felt the need to discharge their firearms on somebody who was DISRUPTING TRAFFIC?

They didn't discharge on him for disrupting traffic, they discharged because they thought he pointed a gun at them.

 

[Teelie]

Says he pretended to point a gun... what was in his hands that resembled a gun? Did he have anything or did he merely point his fingers like he had one? It's too vague in details to know but should they be firing their guns at people who only might have a weapon in their hands?

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Says he pretended to point a gun... what was in his hands that resembled a gun? Did he have anything or did he merely point his fingers like he had one? It's too vague in details to know but should they be firing their guns at people who only might have a weapon in their hands?

I'm not condoning what they did, but to say the police are just discharging on people for disrupting traffic isn't right. I'm more appalled at the first story tbh.

 

[Teelie]

It isn't but it is also not far from the truth either. They were trying to apprehend him for literally being suicidal then they went and shot at him because maybe he pointed something that looked like a gun in their direction only to shoot two completely innocent bystanders instead.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

After stumbling around Eighth Avenue, the man, according to witnesses, pulled out his Metrocard and pointed it at officers like a gun.

From the article to shed a little more light on to the situation

 

[warhorse78]

The first story sounds like the cop just freaked out cuz this guy was running at him.
The cops in the second one sound a little too trigger happy

I read about something like this once. One person they killed was actually a drug dealer, and the bystandards were witnesses that they tried to silence. Unfortunately for them, everything was caught on camera via a nearby security camera at a pawn shop. This crap happened down in Miami, of course.

Now, this happened some time ago, but there was a big police raid against organic grocery stores and farmers in California. Here is actual footage of it.

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I guess they lost the war on drugs there, so now they decide to flex their muscles on the organic farming industry.

 

[Darthphere]

The funny thing is, cops are supposedly trained and retrained and this stuff keeps happening. Yet, were so adamant about regular Joe Shootsaslot being able to own guns with little to sometimes no training. Because America.

 

[Teelie]

I doubt that a requirement to actually know how to aim and fire a firearm before legally being able to purchase one would do much to placate the gun rights advocates because that's another "barrier" to owning a gun: the ability to know how to actually use the damned thing properly and safely.

 

[Quasimod0]

To conceal carry a gun I'm pretty sure you have to go through some gun safety training first though.

 

[Marvolo]

To conceal carry a gun I'm pretty sure you have to go through some gun safety training first though.

In my state to get a concealed carry permit: 8 hour gun safety course, intensive psych and criminal background check, and the local sheriff has to sign off on it.

To open carry a pistol in my state you only need to be 21 and have legally purchased the weapon with a buyer's permit which to get only requires you be 21 pass a basic criminal background check.

 

[Mike_D202]

The first story is disgusting, and I'm glad something was done with those involved.

The second story is your basic "suicide by cop" situation. A lot of people try to pretend they have guns so the police will put them down.

 

[Godzilla2000]

You know, if more police were armed with non-lethal means of immobilization there would be less cases of accidental deaths.

 

[chamber-music]

Sounds like they need better situational training.

I don't get why they didn't taser the crash guy who was unarmed and running at them instead of firing live rounds at him.

 

[Godzilla2000]

I'm trying to figure that one out myself. There was no just cause for shooting him multiple times in the manner he was shot. Tasering is one non-lethal method police can utilize. The other are rubber bullets that if anything are like getting struck unarmored with a paintball. The worst injury one could get from them is a bruise. This use of lethal force from law enforcement in the U.S. is getting a bit out of hand.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The police almost never get real prison time for murdering people, especially if that person is black. The first story isn't shocking at all but it's always disgusting. People are not going to trust the good police until they take the bad ones seriously. I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[Darthphere]

And here we go...

 

[Cosmic]

Note to self: if ever confronted by the police in NYC, do NOT reach for your wallet.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I read about something like this once. One person they killed was actually a drug dealer, and the bystandards were witnesses that they tried to silence. Unfortunately for them, everything was caught on camera via a nearby security camera at a pawn shop. This crap happened down in Miami, of course.

Now, this happened some time ago, but there was a big police raid against organic grocery stores and farmers in California. Here is actual footage of it.

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I guess they lost the war on drugs there, so now they decide to flex their muscles on the organic farming industry.

You know there is something sick and wrong going on when police put organic stores in the top crime list and shoot harmless deers

http://wafflesatnoon.com/2013/09/13/cop-shoots-injured-fawn/

The writer states that they had contacted a local vet who would assess the injuries of the deer, but the officer declined to wait, and proceeded to shoot the deer. It is claimed that the driver’s wife Samantha hesitated when asked to move away from the deer, the officer threatened to arrest her.

After the writer left the scene, the officer followed and impounded his vehicle for expired plates. The writer summarizes, “I couldn’t help but feel that Officer Roy was punishing my little family for standing up to him over the life of a hurt little deer. ”

 

[Mike_D202]

You know, if more police were armed with non-lethal means of immobilization there would be less cases of accidental deaths.

The thing about tasers: they're expensive. Most departments I know STILL carry batons because they are more affordable than tasers. I know that our city's police department budget is in the hole. With that comes higher insurance costs to cover injuries associated with using a taser.

THEN you have the people who protest against tasers claiming they are inhumane (there was a huge thread about them not too long ago here somewhere).

 

[RockSP]

Cops Police Officers never do anything wrong *sips more SHH brainwash juice*

 

[warhorse78]

Note to self: if ever confronted by the police in NYC, do NOT reach for your wallet.

I hate to say it, but when confronted by police, keep your hands in plain view until they ask to see a form of identification, and no sudden or jerky moves.