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POLL: Favorite Villain

Favorite Villain

  • The Green Goblin/Norman Osborn

  • The Vulture/Adrian Toomes

  • Electro/Max Dillon

  • The Lizard/Curt Connors

  • The Shocker/Montana

  • The Sandman/Flint Marko

  • The Rhino/Alex O'Hirn

  • The Big Man/L. Thompson Lincoln/Tombstone

  • Hammerhead

  • Dr. Octopus/Otto Octavius/The Master Planner

  • The Chameleon

  • Venom/Eddie Brock

  • Mysterio/Quentin Beck

  • The Tinkerer/Phineas Mason

  • Kraven the Hunter/Sergei Kravinoff

  • Calypso Ezili

  • Colonel Jupiter/John Jameson

  • Silver Sable/Sable Manfredi

  • Ricochet/Fancy Dan

  • Ox

  • Silvermane/Silvio Manfredi

  • Molten Man/Mark Allan

  • Dr. Miles Warren

  • Other


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Hmmm, I'll say Norman Osborn. Note that I did NOT say Green Goblin. GG was just waaaaay too over the top in the first season but he got better by the second season. However, I thought Osborn as a thoroughly manipulative b@stard was excellent throughout the 2 series. So I separate them in my mind.

Mutant Kraven was tough to take as was Ultimate Eddie Brock since I find 616 soooo much better as an 'out of nowhere' villain. Aside from the gripes above, only Tombstone being out of place as the Big Man, Lizard having no hint of intelligence at all and Electro permanently in 'light-up' mode bugged me. The rest I thought were A-ok.
 
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Mutant Kraven was tough to take as was Ultimate Eddie Brock since I find 616 soooo much better as an 'out of nowhere' villain. Aside from the gripes above, only Tombstone being out of place as the Big Man, Lizard having no hint of intelligence at all and Electro permanently in 'light-up' mode bugged me. The rest I thought were A-ok.

Personally, I prefer a Venom that has an actual connection to Pete. While it's not always realistic to have most villains somehow connected to the hero, it does make for good storytelling, not to mention that this is extremely important to the bigger villains. The "out of nowhere" villains work better for the thug and lesser villains, and the reveal of the original Venom was a poorly written and poorly handled ret-con.

I also thought that Tombstone's upgrade as a main villain was awesome. While it was originally used because the Kingpin rights were tied-up with Daredevil, it really worked and give Lincoln an upgrade similar to Mr. Freeze's. Why the comics have him stuck as a stupid thug I'll never know.

Also, the Lizard being a feral beast worked for this version. Since they were trying to somewhat ground it, it makes NO sense that Connors would become some superintelligent Lizard with an alternate personality. Even these days in the comics, I find it a bit too cheesy. Not to mention that a mindless beast is a bit refreshing from the other mad scientists in the show. Electro being a tragic being of pure energy worked to give him character development. It established tragedy, insanity, and ultimately his relationship to Doc Ock. Far better than a thug in a stupid outfit that couldn't reach the full extent of his powers, which ended up going to this show's Sandman.
 
Personally, I prefer a Venom that has an actual connection to Pete. While it's not always realistic to have most villains somehow connected to the hero, it does make for good storytelling, not to mention that this is extremely important to the bigger villains. The "out of nowhere" villains work better for the thug and lesser villains, and the reveal of the original Venom was a poorly written and poorly handled ret-con.

Hmm, I'd say that one of the things that make Venom unique and cool is that he's a major while at the same time being out of nowhere. It separates him from the rest. Sure, the symbiote is connected to Peter but Brock was only connected to Spider-man via the repercussions of Spidey's actions that Peter himself was oblivious to. I just like that and it gives a more rounded and deeper sense of the world Spidey inhabits.

I also thought that Tombstone's upgrade as a main villain was awesome. While it was originally used because the Kingpin rights were tied-up with Daredevil, it really worked and give Lincoln an upgrade similar to Mr. Freeze's. Why the comics have him stuck as a stupid thug I'll never know.

I always liked Tombstone for the Robbie Robertson angle he brings to the mix. That's gone here and I didn't like what it was replaced with.

Also, the Lizard being a feral beast worked for this version. Since they were trying to somewhat ground it, it makes NO sense that Connors would become some superintelligent Lizard with an alternate personality. Even these days in the comics, I find it a bit too cheesy. Not to mention that a mindless beast is a bit refreshing from the other mad scientists in the show.

I never said make him super-intelligent but he should have some small aspects of an intellect remaining, otherwise he's just an animal now. And an animal isn't a character, it's a plot device. I prefer villains who remain characters.

Electro being a tragic being of pure energy worked to give him character development. It established tragedy, insanity, and ultimately his relationship to Doc Ock. Far better than a thug in a stupid outfit that couldn't reach the full extent of his powers, which ended up going to this show's Sandman.

They could just as easily have accomplished the out of control aspect they gave him while not having him in permanent 'light-up' mode. There wasn't a need for it and frankly, seeing some doctor wish him well as a rehabilitated con while he was still confined to that suit was a bit silly. They'd never let someone out under those conditions since the lack of control would be too great a public threat. Evil intentions or not.
 
Hmmm, I'll say Norman Osborn. Note that I did NOT say Green Goblin. GG was just waaaaay too over the top in the first season but he got better by the second season. However, I thought Osborn as a thoroughly manipulative b@stard was excellent throughout the 2 series. So I separate them in my mind.

The Green Goblin is an interesting case as they took mostly from the original Lee/Ditko version in terms of personality (before he knew who Spidey was he was pretty corny...in a good way of course). As for Norman, they took from the later stuff. Which has a GREAT contrast in the two (to the point people thought that someone as calm and collected as Norman, couldn't be this Green Goblin nutcase, which I guess they were aiming for...)

I wish they'd gotten to do the Hobgoblin to show how different they'd act. Especially since they found a way to do some of Roddy's best things (framing another and being the one that got away.) but alas...

Wow, this thread has been here a while Because I'm unable to vote for Roderick Kingsley because of horrible circumstances that were out to screw me over specifically in not giving him his proper chance to shine yet teasing me with his appearance...The vote will probably go to Gobby. They really did a good job of establishing the Green Goblin as Spidey's top foe before he killed Gwen...heck, even before he knew Peter and Spidey were one in the same. It all started when he was "the one that got away" when Spidey was winning all his battles and cops got to coprehend them, Gobby was the one who was free. Then his rise to power as the Big Man Even out of costume he's still great, plus the fact that when the mask is torn off he starts talking as if he doesn't know he's kinda nuts. Some people were turned off that he was "sane" when unmasked, but I rather enjoyed it...simply because he is indeed crazy...VERY crazy, they just don't feel the need to spell it out.

I always liked Tombstone for the Robbie Robertson angle he brings to the mix. That's gone here and I didn't like what it was replaced with.

You know, I wonder if that was going to come into play later at all? People who didn't get all that much screentime at the Bugle or anything just didn't have anything to do with Peter's life at the moment. I'm sure Ned would have gotten more spotlight with the rise of the Hobgoblin. With Tombstone not on the top of his game anymore, he may go to old acquaintances in high places...but we'll never know...
 
Hmm, I don't see how the Robbie angle could have worked considering how they set up Tombstone in the series. The whole 'nobody knows he's really a criminal mastermind' kinda kills it, because Robbie's supposed to know(along with anybody who ever bothered to look over Tombstone's police record). The secret bad-guy thing works for the Kingpin, not Tombstone.
 
well maybe he would have turned into a petty criminal and robby could have done a story on him and it pisses him off and we go from there.
 
Seems kind of a let down compared to the source material, then. In the comics it was a life-long, deep antagonism between the two. I dunno, just my opinion.
 
Hmm, I don't see how the Robbie angle could have worked considering how they set up Tombstone in the series. The whole 'nobody knows he's really a criminal mastermind' kinda kills it, because Robbie's supposed to know(along with anybody who ever bothered to look over Tombstone's police record). The secret bad-guy thing works for the Kingpin, not Tombstone.

How so? If you are going with the classic antagonism with Robbie, then fine, it wouldn't work. But both Kingpin and Tombstone have rather similar backgrounds of being bullied and later starting gangs. Only one would actually go into becoming a major criminal mastermind and a major villains to two heroes, while the other has remained an uninteresting thug after ending his vendetta.
 
Well that's kinda my point. They changed Tombstone to the point that he really was left as Tombstone-in-name-only. I just didn't see the point of it. Yes, I KNOW Kingpin was unavailable due to rights issues but then wouldn't a more logical replacement right from the start have been someone like Silvermane? Or Hammerhead himself, instead of him just being a lacky? Tombstone already had something to make him interesting and worthwhile, the Robertson angle. In fact that's pretty much all he ever had to make him interesting....but IMO that was good enough. Peter's relationship with Robbie has never been sufficiently explored in animation(as far as I know)* and I think I'd kinda like to see that. It's a nice change of pace from Jonah.

*Edit- Ok I saw the Tombstone episodes in Spidey TAS. While making him a bit closer to the comics character than in TSSM, I still felt it was a bit off the mark there as well.
 
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I'll also say that I wasn't terribly happy with the reimagining of Silver Sable. I think her best appearance so far in cartoons was in the short-lived MTV cartoon where she was what she is in the comics.....a mercenary.

Now on the whole, I think TSSM was a really good show that adapted many of the stories from the comics well. Some better than others but for the most part it was good and better than Spidey TAS mostly because that had the standards & practices nonsense to deal with too much. And most of Spidey's rogues gallery & supporting cast was pretty spot on in the characterization in TSSM. But not all and that bugs me as I saw no reason the rest(Kraven, Tombstone, Sable, Brock, Lizard, etc.) couldn't be as well.

I'm all for a little creative deviation from the original stories as long as they're not too major/iconic to mess with in the first place and the deviations are good and make sense and are entertaining. But changing characters themselves into something they are not and never were is where I draw the line.
 
I'll also say that I wasn't terribly happy with the reimagining of Silver Sable. I think her best appearance so far in cartoons was in the short-lived MTV cartoon where she was what she is in the comics.....a mercenary.

Greg hinted that, had the show continued, we would have seen Silver Sable stop trying to defend her father and become a mercenary, like in the comics. But alas...
 
With Sable, I was never really too much into her so I guess it was a welcome change to me. I could understand why some fans would be annoyed though. However you have to admit, making Silvermane her father and making Sable Manfredi her name was somewhat of a good call as Silver Sablinova becoming Silver Sable is worse than Harleen Quinzel becoming Harley Quinn.

2) Why the fusion between Silver mane's daughter and Silver Sable ? As I said I enjoyed the character, so this isn't a complaint. (Though I was a fan of the Silver Sable in the Ultimate Spider-man video game as well)And I'm not actually familiar with the 616 version of the character, so was this a large change for Sable ? Was it a large change for for Silver mane's daughter? Was it a case of needing an identity for Silver mane's child, or was it a way to make Silver Sable more relevant to the events of the arc? (Or more likely, was it both?)

Greg answers with
2. In a cohesive world, like the one we're trying to create on this show, it just didn't work for us to have Silver mane and Silver Sable not be related. Nearly fifty years of continuity gives the two comic book characters enough breathing room to have no connection, but a mere 26 episodes did not. So we conflated Silver mane's offspring and Sable . Having said that we also extrapolated BACKWARDS for Sable , to show her origins. This is where she starts, folks. Not where she ends up.
 
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Ock and Goblin are so popular right now it's not even funny.
I'd say Mysterio and lizard!
 
rhino and sandman's relationship was fantastic.

the big man is easily the best villain, EASILY
 
For me, it's either Venom or Green Goblin.
Venom is the best friend turned worst enemy and the only villain who knew Peter's identity, combining aspects the 616/TAS/SM3 and Ultimate versions into a great version of the character. I'd say that he's a prime example of how this show was a melting pot of ideas from all of the incarnations of Spider-Man and combined them into a very cohesive whole.
As for Green Goblin, I found it hard to believe and unsatisfied with the idea that Harry all of the sudden became a super-organized criminal mastermind when he blacked out. Add to that Green Goblin was around for far too brief a period of time after [BLACKOUT]he was revealed to be Norman Osborn[/BLACKOUT]. He didn't really get to develop the same chemistry with Spider-Man as he does in the comics, especially since I don't think he ever found Peter was Spider-Man.
 
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