Poll: Will You Support Sony's Next Spider-Man Film Without Marvel?

Discussion in 'Marvel Films' started by Detective Conan, Aug 22, 2019.

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Will You Support Sony's Third Spider-Man Film Without Marvel?

  1. Yes! I'm fine with it, just give me good movies.

    59 vote(s)
    48.0%
  2. No! I refuse to support it. Spider-Man belongs with Marvel, not Sony!

    64 vote(s)
    52.0%
  1. Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014/2019 Champion

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    That's not a good analogy. Filmmaking doesn't work like a relationship. It's a collaborative medium. Yes, Tom Rothman is not my favorite Hollywood guy, but it's not like Sony never puts out a good movie. They do. For example Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was Sony in part. Much of what makes a movie work is who you hire. Sony sometimes squandered talent in the past, sure. But every studio also does to be fair. Disney has put out some bad movies too.
     
  2. ironwez20 Registered

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    We aren’t talking about other movies we are talking about how they handle Spider-Man tho. We have been burnt out several times. 3, asm asm2 so I mean yea it is a good analogy. Cause we trusted Sony with the franchise and look what happened. Now I mean we can hope it’s going to get better but idk tbh

    Not trying to argue btw. So if I come off as hostile I’m not trying to be .
     
  3. Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014/2019 Champion

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    Where your analogy does not hold water is the fact that the people who worked on the different Spider-Man movies changes all the time. Very few people still work at Sony who worked on the original Sam Raimi movies and those people who work in the on the Marc Webb movies are largely gone as well. They change the studio heads they change creative direction. Despite what the government may say, corporations are not people. So all the Spider-Man movies are made by vastly different groups of people therefore it's not like a relationship at all. It's closer to going to a place like Walmart having a bad experience at one Walmart and then holding all Walmarts accountable for one Walmart mistake.
     
  4. ironwez20 Registered

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    It seems like after sm3 it was run by the same guys and they almost ruined the brand
     
  5. Pennywise Registered

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    Tbh, I'm a bit conflicted about this.
     
  6. spider-neil spins a web any size!

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    I just want a good Spider-Man movie and I couldn't care less about how that is achieved. I saw Hellboy over the weekend and that movie is a disgrace. Two hours of my life that I can't get back. I don't care who the studio is or who made it all I know is the movie was trash.
     
  7. Detective Conan Registered

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    Strangely enough, an argument could be made that if Marvel had never sold the rights to their most popular characters then they would not be as successful as they are now. You compared Marvel not having Spider-Man to Warners not having Batman and Superman but you neglect to acknowledge the irony that Marvel managed to be more successful than DC(which has all their characters) just by working with characters who were far less known. Case in point: we now live in a world where the first ever Justice League film with Batman and Superman, and Wonder Woman failed to out-gross two movies about a tree and a talking raccoon & movie about Black Panther is, as of now, the most successful solo superhero film of all time ahead of movies about the A-list juggernauts like Superman and Batman.

    Marvel was able to keep the superhero genre fresh by introducing audiences to new characters like Guardians and BP that have become more popular than even their one time more popular Marvel brethern like X-Men and Fantastic Four. Black Panther alone still made more money than any Spider-Man and X-Men film ever did. Unlike Warners, which they always had Bats and Superman to fall back on; Marvel, in contrast, never had that safety net, which then required them to work harder on making the best movies out of their lesser known characters. As they say, "Necessity is the mother of invention,” so Marvel had to work with the leftover scraps and turn it into gold -- which turned out to be the best case scenario, Marvel gave us movies about Doctor Strange, Avengers, and Gaurdians -- shining the spotlight on their B or C list characters and diversifying the genre. Frankly, this makes me thankful Marvel didn’t have access to their big characters or else all they would be making is X-Men & Spider-Man movies akin to how pre-MCU the only superhero things that Warners had any fortitude to make was pretty much Batman and Superman movies and nothing else. As a DC fan, I have to thank Marvel because if it wasn't for them then WW, Aquaman, and Shazam movies probably would never get made, and Warners never would have learned that all so valuable lesson that you can indeed have DC characters not named Batman and Superman be successful. In fact, I'm so envious of Marvel's success that I almost wish DC had done the same thing and licensed their A-list characters to various studios so they can follow a similar trajectory to Marvel that lead to the creation of their own film division.

    Not to mention if Feige didn’t gain the experience from working on the pre-MCU Marvel films like the early X-Men and Spider-Man films then Marvel Studios wouldn’t be so consistent in quality that they are now. Feige learned from the mistakes made on those pre-MCU previous movies and applied the lessons learned from his experience making those movies to the MCU movies. This is a large reason why Marvel continues to have an impressive streak of quality that no other studio has yet to match.

    Face it: Marvel selling off their big properties to other studios was one of the best things to ever happen in the genre. What appeared to be a disadvantage turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Marvel would never even bother to have made a Guardians film if they had characters like Wolverine from the start. By the way, the success Sony had with Spider-Man along with Fox's success with the X-Men franchise is what prompted Marvel to start making films in the first place. So while I'm bummed Spidey won't be able to tag along with his fellow Marvel brethern(for now anyway) this won't make me wish that Spider-Man was never sold off because it really benefited Marvel in the long run as well as the entire genre(Spider-Man 2 & Into the Spider-Verse also would've never have been made had Spidey not been sold off).
     
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  8. Herofan Registered

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    I don't like Marvel Studios Spider-Man but I don't have much confidence in Sony either and regardless, the next movie very likely will be a continuation of some sort.

    Sony would have to get a really good director and/or writer, as well as a villain and story that sounded good, for me to be interested.

    His role in it so far was mostly being comic relief and the incompetent one and that probably would have continued if he had stayed in it.

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    I think a lot of people think SM3 and either TASM or TASM2 were, while flawed, decent rather than poor so there's a lot of likelihood their next will be OK rather than a disaster.
     
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  9. Kuwolski g r u n t - m a n

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    I certainly wouldn't dismiss it. I'm there to be wowed, surprised, or disappointed.
     
  10. MahvelBaby! Registered

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    If it's good I'll be there if not eh peace.

    But don't let people bully y'all into supporting this. You're paying customers you're allowed to be petty I support y'all lmao
     
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  11. jolldan Registered

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    Of course I will, I just hope its good.

    Don't see the point in dismissing or vetoing it simply because it isn't being made by Marvel.
     
  12. Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014/2019 Champion

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    No one is bullying anyone. I don't care what people do with their money, but this is a forum for discussion. So if you say something I disagree with, prepare to defend your viewpoint. When I post, I am always prepared to defend myself.
     
  13. Kahran Ramsus Registered

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    Except Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach are still there. They haven't actually got rid of the main problem.

    And while Rothman is new, his track record is terrible as well.
     
  14. Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014/2019 Champion

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    These are facts I do not dispute
     
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  15. MahvelBaby! Registered

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    I know no one is bullying anyone I was joking lol.
     
  16. Panacea Registered

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    See.
     
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  17. Webfoot Hero West Coaster

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    I just don't think people expected it so soon after the split was announced.
     
  18. Smurphftw Loyal and affectionate. Hairy and temperamental

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    I thought chances of a reconciliation were pretty good as well, although I wasnt expecting it to happen so soon.
     

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