The Dark Knight Rises Popularity Contest!!!! Who would you rather see RETURN?

[GregComicFan]

Hi, please don't delete this thread. I know there's already a thread on the Joker's possible return and Two-Face's possible return. I wanted to start a new thread and see who people rather see return more and why.

My vote goes to Two-Face.

My reasons:

1) Don't want a recast for the role of the Joker
2) I think the Joker would work better as a "looming presence" over Gotham than a full-fledge character.
3) I think the Joker had enough fun already. He already escaped prison once. To have him do it again would be too much.

4) Learning more about Harvey's psyche would be more interesting.
5) Watching Batman try to "save him" instead of "stop him" would be more interesting. And I'd enjoy watching Two-Face wreck havock and teaming with Riddler/Penguin or whoever the other "heavy" of the next film is.

You?

 

[WeaponXProject]

Neither, I would rather have an arms dealing Penguin, a Riddler playing mind games and a love interest of Selina Kyle for Bruce while Batman battles her alter ego to stop her vengence.

Maybe just one or two in the next movie of the three.

 

[El Payaso]

Hi, please don't delete this thread. I know there's already a thread on the Joker's possible return and Two-Face's possible return.

That's actually the Desperate Denial thread. The Face is dead.


Joker has a natural continuation. He and Batman were meant to fight each other until one of them dies.

In Two-Face case, his whole story was told already. And he's dead.

 

[The Joker]

Neither.

Their stories are done.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

^ Dent is dead only to unimaginative people...

 

[El Payaso]

^^ Aka Chris and Jonah Nolan and Eckhardt.

 

[Shiaruki]

Neither.

Their stories are done.

Well put. No-one can top Ledgers performance, and Two-Face should just stay out of it. They should make the third Batman a final Batman from Nolan... with different villains (such as The Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin... whatever), and leave it at that, before he gets chance to ruin his movies.

 

[Adrian89]

Neither FFS!~

 

[Melkay]

Two-Face was killed because it was the natural progression of his character... he was seeking for vengeance against all those he saw as responsible of his losses. His madness and M.O. was about revenge through a chaotic decisions adn he operated in a Gotham torn by chaos, and none of his victims were expecting him. He had to die. How woul you continue a villain like that? Would he go on robbin banks and acting as a freak mob boss? That wasn't his interest, his interest was about getting even justice. And how would he operate as a mob boss? Hiring a gang of many criminals who he once put behind bars? That's nonsense. The alternative would be to put him in Arkham indefinitely and not give the movie an ending with Batman accepting his place in Gotham.

Two-Face is better dead.

And recasting the Joker before Nolan and his current cast are over in the franchise is one of the worst ideas I've heard in these forums.

None of them should return. Believe me, when it comes to untimely returns, I'm a bit of a self-taught expert.

Ciao.

 

[TheFuture]

It's not a popularity contest for me personally, I voted Two-Face because I think between the two characters there is more scope for him to return.

 

[DieSmiling]

The end of The Dark Knight implies Joker would be back, so he should be. Recasts suck, but if that's where the story is supposed to go, that's where it should go, regardless of Heath's untimely passing.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Well put. No-one can top Ledgers performance, and Two-Face should just stay out of it. They should make the third Batman a final Batman from Nolan... with different villains (such as The Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin... whatever), and leave it at that, before he gets chance to ruin his movies.

Blah blah, Ledger wasn't the only one who could have done what he did. It wouldn't have been done the same way, no doubt about that, but I guarantee that if someone else got the role, everyone here would jump right on the bandwagon as soon as the trailers began coming out.

Same will happen for Batman 3 if he is re-cast and receives a large role. At first it will be, "He can't top Ledger." Then when the trailers and clips start coming out, it'll be a million more YouTube Joker impersonations of whatever catch-phrases show up in the trailers.

 

[namtaB]

No one's going to return. Two Face won't be back b/c there's no way to bring him into the story without it being completely hokey. A conspiracy to hide his death leading to him coming back and getting revenge on Gordon and Batman or taking control of the mob sounds ridiculous. That's a storyline reserved for Days of Our Lives.

Nolan is obsessive compulsive about the film being its on movie, judged on its own merits, etc. There's no way he'd recast the Joker b/c of the practical risks involved. Ledger's getting an Oscar out of this and if the role is recast the publicity around the next film would be all about the comparison b/w the actor who took over and the performance he gave versus Ledger and his performance in Knight. Nolan's not going to risk pushing the film in that direction especially when Joker's story arc concluded at the end of TDK and its much safer to put the character to rest and introduce something fresh and new. Which is completely in line with how he views this franchise.

 

[Blaztro]

I voted Two-Face, because it does not say "Harvey Two-Face". If one remembers, there wer eother Two-Faces in the comics, foremost among them, the actor Paul Sloane.

 

[Rincewind]

Neither.

Both of them served their purpose to the end in TDK. None of them has anything left to give to a new story. Seeing the Joker in action again would feel repetitive, because he gave it all (and awkward because of Ledger's death) and seeing Two-Face again would feel stupid, because he's dead.

 

[Rasputin911]

Two-Face won't be making a return, becuz he wasn't in TDK.

We saw Harvey Dent and pissed-off Harvey Dent, but not Two-Face.

They should defenitely introduce Two-Face in B3 though

 

[Melkay]

Your comment is either profoundly insightful or completely nonsensical, but I'll play along: why do you say Two-Face wasn't in TDK?

 

[Ledlunar]

That's actually the Desperate Denial thread. The Face is dead.


Joker has a natural continuation. He and Batman were meant to fight each other until one of them dies.

In Two-Face case, his whole story was told already. And he's dead.

I agree with this guy

 

[Rasputin911]

^^After his accident, Harvey had a one-way conversation with the Joker, escaped, and went on a brief and very logical killing spree against those who wronged him.

Not until the end of his very last scene did he seem deranged or delusional or insane like Two-Face in the comics. So really, we only saw Two-Face for about 30 seconds maybe. That's what i meant.

Now, none of this is complaining. I think an immediate transformation wouldn't have made sense, and the revenge killings were the logical middle point betwen "Harv" and "Face". I think that's a good start.

But now that we've seen pissed-off Harvey, let's see full-blown Two-Face: a messianic, delusional, shcizophrenic, wrathful nutcase. Just my opinion

 

[Ledlunar]

Yeah I know If they had him lying in a paramedics bed at the end, Id really agree,, it just to me seems like he was meant to be dead, but they never showed a tombstone or body so theres that bit of hope everyones got inside of them that he is still alive... so they can have him as a full fledged villain in the next film..... Id love to see a Dark Victory style story for 3..... but I think the chances are dim.... It would be alot of explaining oh he wasn't dead just in a coma... we had in held in Arkham secretly... just excuses , Maybe Im wrong though maybe they would be able to salvage him in a way that seems natural and makes sense... we will have to see I guess... but my gut says he's gone

 

[Melkay]

Not until the end of his very last scene did he seem deranged or delusional or insane like Two-Face in the comics.

I get what you say, really.

"- What was it Gordon? Say it. ...SAY IT!!
- ... Two-face... Harvey Two-Face
- Why should I hide what I am?"

"- I'm sorry.
- No. You're not. Not yet."

"That's funny, (looks amusingly at spinning coin) cuz I don't know what's gonna happen to you either."

"- (flips coin) You're a lucky man. (tosses coin again) He's not.
- Who?
- Your driver. (shoots the driver)"

"(flips coin)... You'll live to fight another day officer. (slams her with the gun)"

"- Hello, Jim.
- Harvey, where's my family?
- Where my family died."


You're right, he didn't seem delusional at all. He acted like a regular guy would any given pissed off day of the year.

So really, we only saw Two-Face for about 30 seconds maybe. That's what i meant.

In fact, his last scene was about 4 minutes and a half, more than double than the Joker's final speech.

now that we've seen pissed-off Harvey, let's see full-blown Two-Face: a messianic, delusional, shcizophrenic, wrathful nutcase. Just my opinion

Agreed, except that would mean seeing a zombie Two-Face. Not only he died for real, but he also delivered all kinds of delusional, wrathful and messianic moments.

"... if you'd stood up against corruption, instead of your doing your deal with the Devil." (delusional)

(takes the boy) "We have a winner." (wrathful and cruel)

"You think I wanna escape from this? There's no escape from this!" (delusional, complete schizo)

"It's not about what I want, it's about what's fair!" (wrathful, delusional and messianic)

"The world is cruel, and the only morality in a cruel world (shows his coin) is chance: unbiased, unprejudiced, fair." (did anyone say "messianic"?)

"The Joker chose me!" (oh, dear )

Those are just some picks. And don't even get me started on him pointing the gun to his own head while flipping the coin. When it comes to crazy, he was as mad as they come. Sure Two-Faces time was not long. Sure, he will be missed. But his moments in the movie were much stronger that any possible life of known mob boss doing theme crimes in Gotham. He became full-bown Two-Face, and there's no denying of that.

 

[Ledlunar]

^

I think whoever comes back would have serious thinking involved and would work out in the end and lots of people on here would be saying ... Thats what I was saying all along!

ME ... I choose to sit on the fence often I hate the idea's on these threads but sometimes I hear really interesting ones too.... Really I had my little idea's for TDK and Nolan blew my very high expectations away... So I have faith that if he does the NExt film I will be happy with the decisions he made.... If it means Two Face is or isn't alive ... Im sure it will work out,,,

 

[Galvanize]

If this had been asked 6 months ago I would have said both especially Two Face but now I would much prefer neither of them coming back. They both served their purpose and their stories concluded.
If Heath hadn't had passed away I would definitely be keen for a Joker cameo, kind of in line with Zsasz in Begins and Scarecrow in TDK, but for me the next movie is just too soon to recast that part.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

^^After his accident, Harvey had a one-way conversation with the Joker, escaped, and went on a brief and very logical killing spree against those who wronged him.

Not until the end of his very last scene did he seem deranged or delusional or insane like Two-Face in the comics. So really, we only saw Two-Face for about 30 seconds maybe. That's what i meant.

Now, none of this is complaining. I think an immediate transformation wouldn't have made sense, and the revenge killings were the logical middle point betwen "Harv" and "Face". I think that's a good start.

But now that we've seen pissed-off Harvey, let's see full-blown Two-Face: a messianic, delusional, shcizophrenic, wrathful nutcase. Just my opinion

I gotta jump in here man. Didn't you notice the look of regret on his face?

"It's not about what i want, it's about whats fair!!"

Just look at his face there, he is almost hesitating, having second thoughts. I don't think he was completely mad.

But I voted for Joker's return. His story ISN'T done yet IMO. TDK was just a introduction to him. And the fact is, if Ledger were alive today there would be none of this "Oh his story is done!" bollox. EVERYONE would want him to return. People can deny it all they want but they will be lying to themselves. If Heath picked up his Golden Globe the other day and was like "BRING ON BATMAN 3!!" Every single TDK fan on this board would be going nuts with anticipation.

And finally, no it isn't impossible for someone to top Ledger. It will be very, very, very hard no doubt. But the idea that it will be impossible for anyone to top him is the same principle as everyone saying Heath was a abad choice from the start. Look how that turned out.

 

[Adrian89]

two-face was killed because it was the natural progression of his character... He was seeking for vengeance against all those he saw as responsible of his losses. His madness and m.o. Was about revenge through a chaotic decisions adn he operated in a gotham torn by chaos, and none of his victims were expecting him. He had to die. How woul you continue a villain like that? Would he go on robbin banks and acting as a freak mob boss? That wasn't his interest, his interest was about getting even justice. And how would he operate as a mob boss? Hiring a gang of many criminals who he once put behind bars? That's nonsense. The alternative would be to put him in arkham indefinitely and not give the movie an ending with batman accepting his place in gotham.

Two-face is better dead.

And recasting the joker before nolan and his current cast are over in the franchise is one of the worst ideas i've heard in these forums.

None of them should return. Believe me, when it comes to untimely returns, i'm a bit of a self-taught expert.

Ciao.

quoted for truth!