First Avenger Portrayal of Cap's tactical abilities?

[chris moore]

I was curious what people thought of the movie showcasing Cap's tactical abilities? It's one thing to say he is a good man and just needs the physical edge. But one of the more overlooked aspects of Cap's abilities in the comics is the effect the SSS had on his mental abilities. There's nothing at all precluding the enhancement of his body to also include an increase in his neural pathways. The man is, afterall one this best martial artists in the MU as well as the defacto leader of everyone and the best tactician they have.

I'm just hoping that the movie demonstrates that Steve discovers after the procedure that he is able to pick up training faster than the average guy too, as well as formulate plans and assess threats more quickly than he would have been able to have before. I mean, it's never been said that Rogers was some kind of tactical prodigy before he became Cap or anything. And the SSS having a total systemic effect at every level does help get over that pesky hurdle of "the SSS is steroids, we shouldn't be playing up steroids. You can't go saying kids can become amazing athletes if they do what captain america did" crap some people seem to think Cap advocates.

 

[Triad]

I could definitely get behind you on this idea chris.
At the very least, they should show that he has an extraordinary talent for geometry...thus explaining his ability to throw his shield at the correct angles to ricochet at his targets.
I doubt that they will though. Here's hoping...

 

[Nemi]

I like that idea. I'd also like to see him have a lot of experience from different battles as well.

 

[Shazam]

And here's hoping they show a montage of many covert missions...spanning from '41 to '44 when he went missing.

 

[chris moore]

I just always kinda thought - you became Cap in like, 1942 or something, and got frozen before the war ended. There is just no way no how you became a master of about a dozen unarmed combat methods as well as olympic gymnastics techniques,small firearms, explosives, espionage, tactics etc in that time frame while conducting enogh missions to become a legend without some kind of information and muscle memory assimilation enhancement of your brain

 

[KalMart]

I like that idea. I'd also like to see him have a lot of experience from different battles as well.

From the looks of it, there's at least some 'earlier' battle experience with a more rudimentary 'suit' or what have you....

..and then as his experience progresses, so does the suit....

...or something like that?

 

[kedrell]

And here's hoping they show a montage of many covert missions...spanning from '41 to '44 when he went missing.

He undergoes the super soldier treatment in 1943, according to a Brooklyn Dodgers flyer on the wall of the alley in the trailer. So 1943-1945 let's say. Also, his birthdate on the rejection notice at the recruiter was listed as July 4, 1918 making him 24-25 when he becomes Cap. So in the movie timeline, if the Avengers movie is set in the same year that it debuts(and I don't see why not) then Cap'll be about 94 years old in the Avengers.

Sorry, I'm rambling but I have a brain thingy about dates & times.

 

[Shazam]

He undergoes the super soldier treatment in 1943, according to a Brooklyn Dodgers flyer on the wall of the alley in the trailer. So 1943-1945 let's say. Also, his birthdate on the rejection notice at the recruiter was listed as July 4, 1918 making him 24-25 when he becomes Cap. So in the movie timeline, if the Avengers movie is set in the same year that it debuts(and I don't see why not) then Cap'll be about 94 years old in the Avengers.

Sorry, I'm rambling but I have a brain thingy about dates & times.

1943?? Where did you see that? He was created in 1941.

 

[JAK®]

1943?? Where did you see that? He was created in 1941.

You bolded exactly where he described where he had seen it.

 

[Nemi]

From the looks of it, there's at least some 'earlier' battle experience with a more rudimentary 'suit' or what have you....

..and then as his experience progresses, so does the suit....

...or something like that?

Yeah that works perfectly. Maybe show one or two of his 'earlier' battles and then maybe a montage like Shazam suggested of him doing missions and learning things in training. You can have a character mention that while he's learning at a much faster pace he still works very hard and is always at it. He'll be learning new battle tactics or new CQC moves while other people are resting or taking a day off.

 

[afan]

He undergoes the super soldier treatment in 1943, according to a Brooklyn Dodgers flyer on the wall of the alley in the trailer. So 1943-1945 let's say. Also, his birthdate on the rejection notice at the recruiter was listed as July 4, 1918 making him 24-25 when he becomes Cap. So in the movie timeline, if the Avengers movie is set in the same year that it debuts(and I don't see why not) then Cap'll be about 94 years old in the Avengers.

Sorry, I'm rambling but I have a brain thingy about dates & times.

It's not rambling you gave us a timeline...
I believe the flyer on the wall mentions May....1943 for the ballgame....assuming the game is yet to be played......

...now some rambling.....

It's a little over a year 'til D-Day, and about two years til VE Day. Now assuming Bucky is captured in Europe sometime after D-Day(the cause for Cap's AWOL mission), than we have about a year or so for Rogers(assuming the beat down occurrs prior to the attempt to join).... to make 5 futile attempts to join up in five different cities.......finally get selected, tested and trained for the super-soldier program, and carted out on a USO tour......after his mission to save Bucky, Cap must get his shield and new costume. Also somewhere in here any needed combat and military tactic training would occurr.

Doesn't seem like a lot of room for the missions that the montage might include.

Does this timeline sound right or am I off in my reckoning?

Course if the flyer on the wall is old and the game is history, than the time for the story to play out is anyone's guess, but shorter than what is speculated here.

 

[kedrell]

It's not rambling you gave us a timeline...
I believe the flyer on the wall mentions May....1943 for the ballgame....assuming the game is yet to be played......

...now some rambling.....

It's a little over a year 'til D-Day, and about two years til VE Day. Now assuming Bucky is captured in Europe sometime after D-Day(the cause for Cap's AWOL mission), than we have about a year or so for Rogers(assuming the beat down occurrs prior to the attempt to join).... to make 5 futile attempts to join up in five different cities.......finally get selected, tested and trained for the super-soldier program, and carted out on a USO tour......after his mission to save Bucky, Cap must get his shield and new costume. Also somewhere in here any needed combat and military tactic training would occurr.

Doesn't seem like a lot of room for the missions that the montage might include.

Does this timeline sound right or am I off in my reckoning?

Course if the flyer on the wall is old and the game is history, than the time for the story to play out is anyone's guess, but shorter than what is speculated here.

I believe this is a misunderstanding of what Erskine is saying. He's not saying that Rogers has tried to enlist 5 times before. He's saying that they(the Project: Rebirth guys) have tried and failed with the super-soldier thing 5 times before they get to Rogers.

 

[afan]

I believe this is a misunderstanding of what Erskine is saying. He's not saying that Rogers has tried to enlist 5 times before. He's saying that they(the Project: Rebirth guys) have tried and failed with the super-soldier thing 5 times before they get to Rogers.

Could be ....but I read it as a demonstration of Rogers desire to serve, that he would go so far as making five attempts in five different cities, perhaps under aliases. There is a sign on the wall in that scene saying "it is illegal to falsify your enlistment form."

Perhaps that flyer will just become a "goof" listing on IMDB some day.

How did I get angry face on my reply heading I didn't put it there.